Originally posted by chilled monkey
Nope. I live in Wales.
Ah! Wales. I'm American, but I spent some time in Wales and the UK in general in the past. To sum it up; Shopping in Bristol, London, Cardiff, and another place I can't remember the name of. Great sunset view when you're going over the Severn Bridge. Saw Metallica play over in London. Passed through Bulwark. Bulwark is a sh*thole but there's a fish and chips takeout diner with great burgers. And saw Slipknot in Cardiff. Besides that stuff, it was mostly a leisure vacation. Wales is a f*cking beautiful country, btw.
Originally posted by chilled monkeyA low showing is only as such if it contradicts any normal showing. Superman getting beat to a pulp by that cop is a low showing since it contradicts all normal showings. But Superman getting weak to kryptonite is not a low showing but a feature in his "power set" . Similarly, Cap Planet getting weak to waste and garbage is not a low showing but a feature to his power set.
And I've seen episodes where Superman got beat to a pulp by a cop in power armour. Comics, TV series etc often show inconsistancies because it depends on the writer. That's why as a rule we go by a character's 'high' showings.
If you want to prove it was a low showing for Cap then provide an instance when Cap resisted the exposure to some garbage, waste, or anything that is supposed to make him weak.
Originally posted by h1a8
If you want to prove it was a low showing for Cap then provide an instance when Cap resisted the exposure to some garbage, waste, or anything that is supposed to make him weak.
I did exactly that on the first page of this thread.
"Radiant Amazon"- He was blasted by Duke Nukem's radiation bolts, sprayed with toxic waste and dumped into a lakeful of the stuff. As soon as he was pulled out and the chemicals washed off he bounced right back.
Some other examples-
"The Ultimate Pollution"- Cap was blasted with a missle that soaked him in chemical waste. Again he was able to hold on until the Planeteers came to help.
"Tree of Life"- Dr Blight dunked Cap in a barrel of defoliant then locked him in a smog-filled cell. Again he holds on until help arrives.
My point is that to harm Cap you need levels of pollution that would be fatal (or at least highly dangerous) to humans. Even then he's resisted it and not disappeared instantly. He won't be defeated by someone throwing a chocolate wrapper at him or something like that.
Superman will win. First of all captain planet HAS been hurt by pure force before, Zarm has done it on the show. Hell Zarm empowered kids who were stronger than captain planet.
Secondly captain planet has exploitable weaknesses besides pollution. He gets weaker the farther he is from earth, so take the fight to space and supes can easily win. Also damaging the earth itself will hurt captain planet.
Captain planet has a bunch of very bizarre powers, but none of them really are anything to beat superman with.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
I did exactly that on the first page of this thread."Radiant Amazon"- He was blasted by Duke Nukem's radiation bolts, sprayed with toxic waste and dumped into a lakeful of the stuff. As soon as he was pulled out and the chemicals washed off he bounced right back.
Some other examples-
"The Ultimate Pollution"- Cap was blasted with a missle that soaked him in chemical waste. Again he was able to hold on until the Planeteers came to help.
"Tree of Life"- Dr Blight dunked Cap in a barrel of defoliant then locked him in a smog-filled cell. Again he holds on until help arrives.
My point is that to harm Cap you need levels of pollution that would be fatal (or at least highly dangerous) to humans. Even then he's resisted it and not disappeared instantly. He won't be defeated by someone throwing a chocolate wrapper at him or something like that.
All I'm saying is that pollution makes him weaker. Without it he is seemingly invincible. Superman can make him as weak as he like by putting as much waste on him as needed. And Superman can do this in a microsecond. There are no Planeteers to help him out either.
Once there is enough on Cap Superman can easily beat him.
Originally posted by Ouallada
A low showing doesn't need to be contradictory to be considered as such. It just needs to, you know, be lower than the average by a certain threshold. Whether or not it is PIS/CIS is on top of it being a low showing, not the criteria.
It can not be a low showing without comparing it to some other feats.
Once we compare we find the contradiction. For example Spider-man easily dodging machine gun fire contradicts him getting hit with a punch by the Rhino.
And I already said average (or a similar wording) in one of my previous posts. Spider man dodges bullets on average so him getting hit by a single attack moving at less speed is a low showing. Captain Planet gets weak to waste and pollution on average so this isn't a low showing.
Originally posted by Ouallada
A contradiction is a subset here, not a superset. A low showing is simply that -- a low showing. Flash runs faster in some instances and slower in some instances. That leads to low showings. They can, but do not need to be contradictory.
Incorrect.
Flash running slower some instances has nothing to do with low showings but a choice.
Superman getting koed by a gas station has nothing to do with a choice. It contradicts him withstanding Nuclear Bombs and centers of Red Stars and thus is a low showing.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Not really no.First Cap P's strength is comparable to Supes. Cap once threw a nuclear power station into the sun. Another time he sent a spaceship flying into space by hitting it with a log.
Plus his durability is even better. Supes is amazingly resiliant but he can be harmed by physical/energy attacks of sufficient strength. Cap can't be hurt by anything except pollution and he's very resistant to that. You need concentrated toxic chemicals, massive levels of radiation etc to harm him. One time he was blasted by Duke Nukem's radiation bolts, sprayed with toxic waste and dumped into a lakeful of the stuff. As soon as he was pulled out and the chemicals washed off he bounced right back.
Say Supes punches Cap. He'll go flying backwards, but he won't be hurt. Cap punches Supes, he'll feel it.
Plus he can transmute and control the elements. Basically Supes is up against a combination of himself, Metamorpho and Storm.
Don't get me wrong, I like Superman. But this isn't going to be easy for him.
This is an absurd amount of win right here. I didn't expect a coherent defense of Mr. Toothpaste.
Originally posted by h1a8
It is indeed with the exception of a major flaw."...he was pulled out. "
In this fight there will be no one to pull Cap out of the waste. He loses every time.
You missed my point. I wasn't taking a stance in the debate. I was saying how awesome it was that there could be a rational debate.
Originally posted by Digi
You missed my point. I wasn't taking a stance in the debate. I was saying how awesome it was that there could be a rational debate.
I understood your point. I knew exactly would you meant.
I was just pointing out that the whole argument was made irrational by the flaw I pointed out. It is almost like the poster tried to trick us into believing what he is saying is rational. An elaborate ruse.
Its almost as arguing that if Galactus helps Juggs and gives him the power cosmic then he will be more than a match for Superman in a Superman vs. Juggernaut Thread only.
I always wanted to know who'll win a fight between captain planet and supes without the toxic waste issue.
With captain planets weakness I give this to supes 7/10. Hell supes could literally beat cap to death with a garbage truck and kill him.
Without the weakness I give the to captain planet 8/10. He's as physically durable as Superman. He's just as strong as superman. Has some amazing speed feats and he's much more powerful than supes.
If I had a choice between powers it would be cap any day of the weak, the guy could do anything on a high level but his weakness and his happy attitude makes him a terrible character.
Use the evil captain planet this would be a shit stomp in his favor.
Originally posted by h1a8
Incorrect.Flash running slower some instances has nothing to do with low showings but a [b]choice
.Superman getting koed by a gas station has nothing to do with a choice. It contradicts him withstanding Nuclear Bombs and centers of Red Stars and thus is a low showing. [/B]
And in other cases Flash simply runs slower because not all showings are created equal, unless what you are arguing for is a state where all showings must be of a singular, fixed level. That is ludicrous.
GL constructs can on one day hold Superman-level beings, and on another day can broken by the same beings. That showcases variations in showings, just not necessarily caused by contradictions.