Originally posted by Raptor22
and correct me if im wrong but isnt radiation one of caps weaknesses.
Certain forms. Sunlight itself is radiation. That's why we get sunburn and skin cancer from it. But it works wonders for nature. So quite the opposite for Captain Planet. He thrives in sunlight.
EDIT: Ugh. New page. See previous for my long ass reply, h1a8.
Originally posted by Master Courtyeeesh.. master court, you're disappointing me dog.
Batman has kryptonite. It'd be a simple task for Captain Planet to read Clark's mind, burst into the Bat cave, snag the kryptonite, and return to Clark. And you seem to have forgotten it's a two-way street with the weakness revival. Granted there won't be anybody to scrub Captain Planet clean, but who the f*ck would have the balls and power to take the kryptonite from Captain Planet, assuming this fight even allowed for interference?
Originally posted by Master CourtBatman, Captain America, Spider-man have all left after images plenty of times. Doesn't mean they were moving at light speed.
He left an after image. It's a hallmark tell of lightspeed.
Superman needs yellow Sun energy ... I never said it grants him the powers, but it's the fuel. If we didn't have a yellow Sun, Superman wouldn't be super. I don't know what you think I mean by this, or if you're just being ultra-literal, or just busting my balls, but the simple fact is that without the yellow Sun, there's no Superman. Just Clark. Period. Furthermore, Captain Planet isn't a biological being. He has no musculature, bones, organs, blood. The only few times he's been exhausted is at the end of a fight in which he was weakened by toxic substance. He's recharged by returning to the rings. I was pointing out the flaw of your reasoning when you implied that since Cap has more energy sources than Superman then he is stronger (or better). It is unknown what rate Cap is absorbing energy. Thus if he expends more energy than he can absorb at a time then he must tire. He can't absorb infinite energy per second. There is a limit.
Superman on the other hand uses the sun's energy to open a doorway to another dimension (to his main power source). Superman has been capable of feats that takes more energy than the entire amount of energy emitted from the Sun since Superman's birth. Hell, he did a feat that required the energy of over a thousand galaxies.
Batman has kryptonite. It'd be a simple task for Captain Planet to read Clark's mind, burst into the Bat cave, snag the kryptonite, and return to Clark. And you seem to have forgotten it's a two-way street with the weakness revival. Granted there won't be anybody to scrub Captain Planet clean, but who the f*ck would have the balls and power to take the kryptonite from Captain Planet, assuming this fight even allowed for interference? Good thinking here. Now this is how you debate. But the problem here is that these two are not necessarily fighting on Superman's Earth, where kryptonite exists. They could be fighting on Captain Planet's Earth or even our own's, where kryptonite doesn't exist. Plus I told you that Cap can't probe minds but reads them as one is thinking. Superman isn't even thinking about any kryptonite in this fight.
Fair enough. But while a slight amount of pollution will do a slight amount of damage to Captain Planet. A slight amount of kryptonite puts Superman on all fours in agonizing pain. Hell, a kryptonite bullet is tiny and exposure is only a fraction of a second after it's fired, but it's still capable of piercing Superman as easily as it would a normal man. Public Enemies. Metallo pops one in Superman, Superman drops. Within just several moments, the planet pusher is worried he might not have enough strength to survive Batman's electrified fence. My point? While it takes potent pollution and almost full torso coverage, particularly the planet symbol, to paralyze Captain Planet, a single palm's worth of kryptonite is enough to put Superman down. And it doesn't even have to touch him. What's more; while being weakened and in all that pain, Superman would have no way of taking it from Captain Planet. Kryptonite argument is covered above. Superman wins.
Well, this is undeniably correct. Cap has practically zilcho experience in slugging it out with Superman-level guys. However, Captain Planet has full mastery of his powers and is completely aware of his capabilities. And he's proven to have strategy in the use of his powers. So while Superman is clearly a much better fighter, Captain Planet still has his vast powerset. Hell, Captain Planet can turn himself into air and become intangible, and revert back to attack Superman as often as needed, and then becoming air again.
Cap doesn't have the reflexes or speed to change into air before Superman can attack him. And changing into air to avoid a punch requires experience. Just because one can do it doesn't mean that they will. CIS plays a role too. Cap never has changed into air to avoid a punch. He didn't even do this to avoid all the waste that was dumped on him throughout the years. So it is far fetched that he would do so. He usually changes to air to do offensively things.
Bear with me for a minute...
Originally posted by h1a8
Batman, Captain America, Spider-man have all left after images plenty of times. Doesn't mean they were moving at light speed.
True enough. However, showing fast movements in a single panel of a comic is one thing. They have to show where the guy started and where he ended up, and they do it in one panel to emphasize a speedy gesture. But seeing someone move fast in animation is another matter. You actually see the movement, the speed, and the glowing after image. With animation, there's a LOT less speculation involved with gauging feats. He didn't just leave a faint or dotted outline. He glows and his after image tears away to his new position with the sound of an energy surge. Ok, they didn't SAY it was lightspeed, so I guess there's absolutely no f*cking way to win this one. I'll drop it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Good thinking here. Now this is how you debate. But the problem here is that these two are not necessarily fighting on Superman's Earth, where kryptonite exists. They could be fighting on Captain Planet's Earth or even our own's, where kryptonite doesn't exist. Plus I told you that Cap can't probe minds but reads them as one is thinking. Superman isn't even thinking about any kryptonite in this fight.
Uh, this is not a very good argument. They "might not be on a planet with kryptonite"? Well, then I should say Superman most definitely wins, if he goes straight for the weakness exploitation. And then, what's the point of this at all? As every planet in the miserable omniverse is polluted, Captain Planet's weakness is in abundant supply. Whereas Superman's "might not be here"? That's the same as givin' them both guns but only giving Supes the ammo.
Originally posted by h1a8 Kryptonite argument is covered above. Superman wins.
Yeah, if there's no kryptonite. But, really, in the battle of weaknesses, like I said before, a small chunk of kryptonite works far more effectively on Superman than toxic waste does on Captain Planet. Superman is weakened for several moments after exposure. Captain Planet perks right up. In overall weakness exploitability - that is method of exposure, quantity required for effect, extent of effect, and recovery time - Superman loses.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap doesn't have the reflexes or speed to change into air before Superman can attack him. And changing into air to avoid a punch requires experience. Just because one can do it doesn't mean that they will. CIS plays a role too. Cap never has changed into air to avoid a punch. He didn't even do this to avoid all the waste that was dumped on him throughout the years. So it is far fetched that he would do so. He usually changes to air to do offensively things. [/B]
This is weird. You don't need experience to dodge. It's a natural thing to avoid attack, and Captain Planet is smart, often enough strategic in the use of his powers, and is a master of his powers. He knows he can do it. Just because he hasn't, doesn't mean he can't. And it's possible it wouldn't even work to avoid toxic waste. Besides that, he's never fought anybody that could physically challenge him anyway, so he's never had to turn into air. And as far as CIS is concerned; whenever faced with a kryptonite wielding badguy, Superman has ample opportunity to use his powers to counter/disarm/avoid before succumbing to exposure, but rarely, if ever, does a f*cking thing about it. Instead, nine times out of ten he does his "I'm melting! I'm melting!" act.
I got a better versus. How about on a planet rich in energy for both but with no weaknesses? A real fight.
Finally, I know this has more or less been settled, not to mention I never said Cap wins in the first place - indeed, I was one of the first to say Superman shoves some kind of toxic thing up Captain Planet's ass or something like that, and I'm merely saying it would be FAR from an easy fight for Supes - but I can't let it drop without people explaining to me what the f*ck is with the all the palm-face bullsh*t. At some point did Batman ditch the kryptonite? Or are they assuming Batman's defenses can stop Captain Planet? Because, obviously, my "snag the kryptonite" play assumes they're in current DC Earth, or a mesh of Captain Planet's Earth and DC Earth.
I could kill myself now and be happy if only someone would spell it out to me in small, cute, words, what it is, exactly, about the "Batman has kryptonite" thing that merited such a f*cking anal pile-driving. And I stress again, CUTE words. Like what I use. And then we can move on to the grander scheme of things; time-share in the afterlife!
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
The Kryptonite argument is a moot point. Most of Superman's enemies do not even bring it to the fight..so, I doubt Captain Planet would.Captain Planet would be too busy fighting Superman to go looking for it in anyway.
It's only a moot point if weaknesses aren't being exploited at all. But since you point out that he'd be busy fighting Supes, I suppose that goes both ways. So the question would remain - not that it does - is who would win if neither knew of the other's weakness. The whole damn thing is a moot point, though. Superman wins, obviously. I was only saying it wouldn't be easy.
Anywho. Listen carefully. I need you, to tell me, why I got the anal pile-driving when I suggested that Captain Planet could retrieve the kryptonite from the Batcave. I'm not debating. I'm asking a question. Last I knew, Batman kept some kryptonite. Whether he has some or not, it doesn't matter. I just want to know why I got the anal pile-driving. When I hit a brick wall that f*cking hard at ninety miles per hour, I like to know what I did to f*ck up. Tell me. What was incorrect, illogical, or funky about what I said? I swear, I will personally put three cigars out on my d*ck if you, or anyone, gives me a straight and clear answer. It's not for a debate, I don't want this to go on, it's just to keep my d*ck hard for another four hours. And then, time-share in the afterlife. Am I the only one interested in this prospect?
Originally posted by Master Court
It's only a moot point if weaknesses aren't being exploited at all. But since you point out that he'd be busy fighting Supes, I suppose that goes both ways. So the question would remain - not that it does - is who would win if neither knew of the other's weakness. The whole damn thing is a moot point, though. Superman wins, obviously. I was only saying it wouldn't be easy.Anywho. Listen carefully. I need you, to tell me, why I got the anal pile-driving when I suggested that Captain Planet could retrieve the kryptonite from the Batcave. I'm not debating. I'm asking a question. Last I knew, Batman kept some kryptonite. Whether he has some or not, it doesn't matter. I just want to know why I got the anal pile-driving. When I hit a brick wall that f*cking hard at ninety miles per hour, I like to know what I did to f*ck up. Tell me. What was incorrect, illogical, or funky about what I said? I swear, I will personally put three cigars out on my d*ck if you, or anyone, gives me a straight and clear answer. It's not for a debate, I don't want this to go on, it's just to keep my d*ck hard for another four hours. And then, time-share in the afterlife. Am I the only one interested in this prospect?
kryptonite isn't a magic off switch. it takes massive amounts to hurt him externally. the only way to really put him down is to introduce it in to his bloodstream, and even then he's shown incredible resilience to it.
Originally posted by Master Court
It's only a moot point if weaknesses aren't being exploited at all. But since you point out that he'd be busy fighting Supes, I suppose that goes both ways. So the question would remain - not that it does - is who would win if neither knew of the other's weakness. The whole damn thing is a moot point, though. Superman wins, obviously. I was only saying it wouldn't be easy.Anywho. Listen carefully. I need you, to tell me, why I got the anal pile-driving when I suggested that Captain Planet could retrieve the kryptonite from the Batcave. I'm not debating. I'm asking a question. Last I knew, Batman kept some kryptonite. Whether he has some or not, it doesn't matter. I just want to know why I got the anal pile-driving. When I hit a brick wall that f*cking hard at ninety miles per hour, I like to know what I did to f*ck up. Tell me. What was incorrect, illogical, or funky about what I said? I swear, I will personally put three cigars out on my d*ck if you, or anyone, gives me a straight and clear answer. It's not for a debate, I don't want this to go on, it's just to keep my d*ck hard for another four hours. And then, time-share in the afterlife. Am I the only one interested in this prospect?
Damn..are you high???
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I'm not anal bashin' ya...I'm just makin' a statement, so...I can't really answer that question for ya. I was just throwin' in my two cents on this converstation. People can take it or leave it...it makes no difference to me. In my opinion, Kryptonite would not play a factor in this fight. Most of Supes' enemies do not even have it. Batman has it...Lex has/or can get it...Henshaw...and I'm sure maybe a few others. But, for the most part, your standard random foe for Superman does not have it. I don't recall Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Orion, Doomsday, etc...ever bringin' it to the fight.
Anyway, I don't care if Captain Planet has it or not. Carry on with the debate!!!!