i dont think the strength difference is so great that supes will straight up pound him in a second but it will be enough to hold him and fly him out of the atmosphere where cap will lose his powers being away from the planet. and supes experience fighting the likes of doomsday,darkseid,etc.. will be huge. fighting supes is different than fighting rita repulsa. the only real fight hes been in was against a clone and he got housed and onlw won by hitting him with clean soil and $hit.
Originally posted by Raptor22
i dont think the strength difference is so great that supes will straight up pound him in a second but it will be enough to hold him and fly him out of the atmosphere where cap will lose his powers being away from the planet. and supes experience fighting the likes of doomsday,darkseid,etc.. will be huge. fighting supes is different than fighting rita repulsa. the only real fight hes been in was against a clone and he got housed and onlw won by hitting him with clean soil and $hit.
I agree, experience wise, supes has this in the bag but thats about it. Cap doesnt fight was supes fight on a daily basis, he's just to nice.
Flying cap out of space wont work, he can turn to air. 😕
how is pushing the planet not a strengt feat. picture if u built giant rockets on one side of the planet how much force do u think it would take to move it? do u think it would be less than it would take to shoot the factory into space. try this go outside put your hands on the ground and try to push the planet. come back and tell me if u couldnt move it because ur not durable enough or because ur not strong enough.
Originally posted by Raptor22
how is pushing the planet not a strengt feat. picture if u built giant rockets on one side of the planet how much force do u think it would take to move it? do u think it would be less than it would take to shoot the factory into space. try this go outside put your hands on the ground and try to push the planet. come back and tell me if u couldnt move it because ur not durable enough or because ur not strong enough.
It's just an attempt to downplay Supes. Ignore it.
Originally posted by Spire
He just tosses it into a wormhole.
that's what I wanted to know, if he threw it it truly is a strength feat just imagine how much strength it needs to throw something away that is pulling you onto it and not even light can escape it, so theoretical he must have accelerated the black hole to a speed faster than light
Originally posted by Parmaniac
that's what I wanted to know, if he threw it it truly is a strength feat just imagine how much strength it needs to throw something away that is pulling you onto it and not even light can escape it, so theoretical he must have accelerated the black hole to a speed faster than light
Pretty much.
Without any weakness exploitation. Superman is going to have a tough time hurting Cap. I don't think he ever got hurt without pollution, much less KOed. But Supes will manhandle his ass but Cap could just pop right up.
He could use HV and cold breath. But Isn't Cap made of the elements or controls them? Idk but Supes should taKE THIS 10/10 BUT JUST NOT SURE HOW. I mean supes could out mucle him but what is that really gonna do?
Originally posted by h1a8
Why would Superman throw a piece of litter on him when he can throw some of the most toxic stuff on Earth on him in a millisecond?
Superman is far faster than Captain Planet featwise. He can do things in a picosecond.And Superman's main energy source is not the Sun. The Sun's energy only opens up a doorway to his main source.
On the very first episode, Captain Planet dodges a giant robot at lightspeed.
Second, yes, the Sun is Superman's energy source. Without the solar energy, he's powerless. But even still, this has absolutely nothing to do with my point. My point is, Superman has only one source of energy for his powers. Captain Planet has two, including the Sun. Although, admittedly, we can't gauge to what extent Captain Planet can draw from the Sun, we can however gauge its potency as well as the Earth's in sustaining Captain Planet. Captain Planet doesn't seem to need to "charge" at all. While Superman can burn out, as when he collapsed to death during DOS, Captain Planet is far less variable in his health. Captain Planet is either weak, or always at full capacity. And unless weakened by something drastically harmful to nature, Captain Planet has never been harmed by anything.
Speaking of weakened states; Superman remains weakened for several moments after exposure to kryptonite, even after the kryptonite has been completely removed from Superman's vicinity. Indeed, he's been as frail and vulnerable as a human. Captain Planet, however, is instantly rejuvenated the instant the hazardous material is merely removed from direct contact to his body, which can be as simple as Captain Planet rolling over into a puddle of water. It can even be dirty water. The only thing that hurts Captain Planet is something that is drastically hazardous to nature, and not just unclean. So as far as weaknesses go, Superman's is far more exploitatively detrimental and effective than Captain Planet's.
And given the foreign nature of kryptonite, I'm sure it stands out like a sore thumb. Captain Planet could locate that easily. In addition, given the nature of physics, I doubt transmutation is really limited to substances indigenous to Earth. Since kryptonite is not harmful to Earth's nature, Captain Planet should have no fear of transmuting a rock into kryptonite. Furthermore, in a scenario without prep, the power of Heart would let Captain Planet use telepathy and easily read Superman's mind to find his weakness, whereas Superman would have no way of knowing Captain Planet's. So if it's a fight concerning weaknesses, Superman is beat either way.
If it's a real fight, where no weakness is exploited, Captain Planet has never been harmed. Superman has been killed like... twice?
Originally posted by carver9
I agree, experience wise, supes has this in the bag but thats about it. Cap doesnt fight was supes fight on a daily basis, he's just to nice.
Experience wise? Captain Planet doesn't strike me as a guy that needs experience. On the very first episode, he clearly has complete mastery over all his powers and is fully aware of who and what he is and what he can do. He's intelligent, immediately aware of the problems, smashing giant robots, and has a lightspeed feat.
Originally posted by Master CourtHow do you know it was lightspeed? Because it looked very fast?
On the very first episode, Captain Planet dodges a giant robot at lightspeed.
Suzy Q can have 8 power sources and 1 being the Sun and still be weaker than Superman. Also, Superman's main power source is not the Sun friend. You wasted words and time here. Captain Planet never fought DD so how do you know if he wont burn out or get killed the first minute? Dos DD will spank Captain Planet's ass.Second, yes, the Sun is Superman's energy source. Without the solar energy, he's powerless. But even still, this has absolutely nothing to do with my point. My point is, Superman has only one source of energy for his powers. Captain Planet has two, including the Sun. Although, admittedly, we can't gauge to what extent Captain Planet can draw from the Sun, we can however gauge its potency as well as the Earth's in sustaining Captain Planet. Captain Planet doesn't seem to need to "charge" at all. While Superman can burn out, as when he collapsed to death during DOS, Captain Planet is far less variable in his health. Captain Planet is either weak, or always at full capacity. And unless weakened by something drastically harmful to nature, Captain Planet has never been harmed by anything.
Speaking of weakened states; Superman remains weakened for several moments after exposure to kryptonite, even after the kryptonite has been completely removed from Superman's vicinity. Indeed, he's been as frail and vulnerable as a human. Captain Planet, however, is instantly rejuvenated the instant the hazardous material is merely removed from direct contact to his body, which can be as simple as Captain Planet rolling over into a puddle of water. It can even be dirty water. The only thing that hurts Captain Planet is something that is drastically hazardous to nature, and not just unclean. So as far as weaknesses go, Superman's is far more exploitatively detrimental and effective than Captain Planet's.
And there is no such thing as hurt all the way or not hurt at all. There are levels of hurt or weakening in which Cap or anyone will feel when exposed to a certain amount of their weakness. Any type of pollution would weaken Cap below his normal levels. A small amount and maybe he can still fight but he doesn't have the same attributes.
And given the foreign nature of kryptonite, I'm sure it stands out like a sore thumb. Captain Planet could locate that easily. In addition, given the nature of physics, I doubt transmutation is really limited to substances indigenous to Earth. Since kryptonite is not harmful to Earth's nature, Captain Planet should have no fear of transmuting a rock into kryptonite. Furthermore, in a scenario without prep, the power of Heart would let Captain Planet use telepathy and easily read Superman's mind to find his weakness, whereas Superman would have no way of knowing Captain Planet's. So if it's a fight concerning weaknesses, Superman is beat either way.[B][QUOTE]
Reading minds has nothing to do with probing minds. If Superman is not thinking about kryptonite and its makeup then Cap can't capitalize on it. Also Cap would have no time to do such a thing. It would be total suicide if he sat there and tried. Superman would administer a can of toxic waste on him the first instant of battle.
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If it's a real fight, where no weakness is exploited, Captain Planet has never been harmed. Superman has been killed like... twice?
Captain Planet has never fought no where near the level of villains Superman has fought. This is like Superman fighting a bunch of humans his entire career. DD will seriously fu**K Cap up and bad.
Regular humans seem to get the best of Captain Planet most of the time. This would be a cakewalk for Superman.
Experience wise? Captain Planet doesn't strike me as a guy that needs experience. On the very first episode, he clearly has complete mastery over all his powers and is fully aware of who and what he is and what he can do. He's intelligent, immediately aware of the problems, smashing giant robots, and has a lightspeed feat.
He has hardly no experience fighting beings on Superman level. His lack of experience would be highly apparent if Superman chooses to fight him straight up without dumping some waste on him.
given caps powerset i find it highly unlikely he could transmute kryptonite. his powers are entirerly earth based and k-nite is an alien substance which is in direct contrast to his powerset. so unless its completey made from substances found on earth he probably cant. not to mention the fact i doubt he could recreat the radiation it absorbed when krypton exploded which is what makes it harmful to supes. and k-nite is harmful to almost all living things due to the radiation it emmits it just takes longer than it does for supes. just ask lex. and correct me if im wrong but isnt radiation one of caps weaknesses.
Originally posted by h1a8
Flash most likely has no speed limit. Thus he [b]chooses what speed he wants to run at. He hardly ever runs at his full speed because he chooses to.So when you see flash moving fast don't assume he is using all of his might. [/B]
We both know that an assumption of infinite limits is ridiculous. It isn't just far-fetched to demand absolute consistency in results, but illogical. Do all F1 drivers go the same speed if the curcuit is kept constant? Does the one time a driver skids of the track contradict the rest of the times when he doesn't? Perhaps, but not necessarily so -- variance is not only expected, but inevitable.
Originally posted by h1a8
How do you know it was lightspeed? Because it looked very fast?
He left an after image. It's a hallmark tell of lightspeed.
Suzy Q can have 8 power sources and 1 being the Sun and still be weaker than Superman. Also, Superman's main power source is not the Sun friend. You wasted words and time here. Captain Planet never fought DD so how do you know if he wont burn out or get killed the first minute? Dos DD will spank Captain Planet's ass.
Superman needs yellow Sun energy ... I never said it grants him the powers, but it's the fuel. If we didn't have a yellow Sun, Superman wouldn't be super. I don't know what you think I mean by this, or if you're just being ultra-literal, or just busting my balls, but the simple fact is that without the yellow Sun, there's no Superman. Just Clark. Period. Furthermore, Captain Planet isn't a biological being. He has no musculature, bones, organs, blood. The only few times he's been exhausted is at the end of a fight in which he was weakened by toxic substance. He's recharged by returning to the rings.
It is moot whether Captain planet rejuvenates faster after being freed of his weakness. Who's going free him? There is no kryptonite nowhere on Earth nor is its makeup common knowledge. Thus there is no way Cap can obtain any kryptonite.[/B]
Batman has kryptonite. It'd be a simple task for Captain Planet to read Clark's mind, burst into the Bat cave, snag the kryptonite, and return to Clark. And you seem to have forgotten it's a two-way street with the weakness revival. Granted there won't be anybody to scrub Captain Planet clean, but who the f*ck would have the balls and power to take the kryptonite from Captain Planet, assuming this fight even allowed for interference?
And there is no such thing as hurt all the way or not hurt at all. There are levels of hurt or weakening in which Cap or anyone will feel when exposed to a certain amount of their weakness. Any type of pollution would weaken Cap below his normal levels. A small amount and maybe he can still fight but he doesn't have the same attributes.[/B]
Fair enough. But while a slight amount of pollution will do a slight amount of damage to Captain Planet. A slight amount of kryptonite puts Superman on all fours in agonizing pain. Hell, a kryptonite bullet is tiny and exposure is only a fraction of a second after it's fired, but it's still capable of piercing Superman as easily as it would a normal man. Public Enemies. Metallo pops one in Superman, Superman drops. Within just several moments, the planet pusher is worried he might not have enough strength to survive Batman's electrified fence. My point? While it takes potent pollution and almost full torso coverage, particularly the planet symbol, to paralyze Captain Planet, a single palm's worth of kryptonite is enough to put Superman down. And it doesn't even have to touch him. What's more; while being weakened and in all that pain, Superman would have no way of taking it from Captain Planet.
Captain Planet has never fought no where near the level of villains Superman has fought. This is like Superman fighting a bunch of humans his entire career. DD will seriously fu**K Cap up and bad.
Regular humans seem to get the best of Captain Planet most of the time. This would be a cakewalk for Superman.
Actually, the only time they got the best of Captain Planet was when they did things to the Planeteers, the local environment, or when they chucked a bag of toxic sh*t on him. The same for Superman, really. Anyway, Captain Planet doesn't just go around beating people up. He usually trashes these giant ass robots, buildings, and usually their cars and sh*t too. Obviously a car doesn't = Superman, but I'm just saying...
He has hardly no experience fighting beings on Superman level. His lack of experience would be highly apparent if Superman chooses to fight him straight up without dumping some waste on him.
Well, this is undeniably correct. Cap has practically zilcho experience in slugging it out with Superman-level guys. However, Captain Planet has full mastery of his powers and is completely aware of his capabilities. And he's proven to have strategy in the use of his powers. So while Superman is clearly a much better fighter, Captain Planet still has his vast powerset. Hell, Captain Planet can turn himself into air and become intangible, and revert back to attack Superman as often as needed, and then becoming air again.