Batman vs Rhino

Originally posted by Creshosk
So despite the fact that these characters can do things that defy physics and go against human antomy and all sorts of science, consistantly, you don't htink they should be able to do what they've done for years?

Well It's my opinion that 35 + 14 = 16,345. So if I have $35 in a bank account and add $14 then its my opinion that I should have 16,345 in there after the transaction. So since my opinion dictates reality and the way things should work. I should be able to buy a new tv and a new video game system and pretty much whatever I want. Since I think that 35+14=16,345.

who cares whats been firmly established by both the banks and the rest of the world, right?

Numbers should add up to whatever I want. just like characters shouldn't do what you think they should.

Despite both cases going contrary to both banks or the forum, as well ad the rest of the world or the comics.

Who cares about rules, right?

Solomon Grundy has superhuman durability and strength comparable to Bizarro and Superman, and can apparently take out Killer Croc, Etrigan, and the JLA (JSA?)... but Batman can simply gas him or box him to a pulp... Meanwhile, Batman wearing a kryptonite ring hurt his hand punching Superman, who's occasionally had trouble going toe-to-toe with Lobo (who also has strength and durability approaching Superman's level)... but Batman doesn't have that same trouble brawling with Lobo, but got his back broken by Bane...

They're fun stories, and I know some of the examples from above may be either non-canon or circumstancial, but for the most part they'd fall under PIS. These feats may have performed a few times over, making them the norm anyhow, but I don't agree with it. Again, it's just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

I think Batman's fight with Rhino would go much like Cap's "fight" with Thanos went... a heroic display of flurries of otherwise well-placed strikes, but ended by one good shot from the stronger and more durable opponent.

Originally posted by weaponx510
i dont know how you all think batman would loose, they are both human with suits on. batman is however the one with the better suit and skills. Rhino suit just makes him stronger and more durable. Batman is the smarter of the two by a long shot. The truth is rhino probabley doesnt even know his times tables.

Anybody doubting batman doesnt know who he is.

Micheal Keaton is Batman.

^ nice post.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ nice post.

sarcasm or your real opinion?

approval, he has some decent points.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Numerical values are pretty much set in stone and agreed upon wherever you go. Comics are penned by writers with differences in opinion of regarding what the characters are capable of and are not capable of-- not so clear cut:

According to the rules of the forum if a character is shown to be capable of performing a feat on enough occasions its to be accepted that it is within their capabilities to do so.

Ignoring the rules makes you look as foolish as actually believing that 35+14 is anything but 49

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Solomon Grundy has superhuman durability and strength comparable to Bizarro and Superman, and can apparently take out Killer Croc, Etrigan, and the JLA (JSA?)... but Batman can simply gas him or box him to a pulp... Meanwhile, Batman wearing a kryptonite ring hurt his hand punching Superman, who's occasionally had trouble going toe-to-toe with Lobo (who also has strength and durability approaching Superman's level)... but Batman doesn't have that same trouble brawling with Lobo, but got his back broken by Bane...

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
They're fun stories, and I know some of the examples from above may be either non-canon or circumstancial, but for the most part they'd fall under PIS. These feats may have performed a few times over, making them the norm anyhow, but I don't agree with it. Again, it's just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I think Batman's fight with Rhino would go much like Cap's "fight" with Thanos went... a heroic display of flurries of otherwise well-placed strikes, but ended by one good shot from the stronger and more durable opponent.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
approval, he has some decent points.

It's very hypocritical and selective.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Numerical values are pretty much set in stone and agreed upon wherever you go. Comics are penned by writers with differences in opinion of regarding what the characters are capable of and are not capable of-- not so clear cut:

Solomon Grundy has superhuman durability and strength comparable to Bizarro and Superman, and can apparently take out Killer Croc, Etrigan, and the JLA (JSA?)... but Batman can simply gas him or box him to a pulp... Meanwhile, Batman wearing a kryptonite ring hurt his hand punching Superman, who's occasionally had trouble going toe-to-toe with Lobo (who also has strength and durability approaching Superman's level)... but Batman doesn't have that same trouble brawling with Lobo, but got his back broken by Bane...

They're fun stories, and I know some of the examples from above may be either non-canon or circumstancial, but for the most part they'd fall under PIS. These feats may have performed a few times over, making them the norm anyhow, but I don't agree with it. Again, it's just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

I think Batman's fight with Rhino would go much like Cap's "fight" with Thanos went... a heroic display of flurries of otherwise well-placed strikes, but ended by one good shot from the stronger and more durable opponent.

Agreed on Batman's advantages over Rhino, except for the bit about the suit.

👆

Originally posted by Creshosk

Which doesn't negate the numerous times hes shown to be capable of harming bricks. Low showings aren't really used either.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No he doesn't actually. Because he's still being selective of the comic book physics. accepting that for some reason stars that do they same thing and merely have a different frequency of light have different effects on a alien physiology, but ignoring a human capable of using skill to go beyond normal human limits.

It's very hypocritical and selective.

well, batman is the "dude without powers amongst those with too many" (copyright)

it's ok if batman taking out grundy doesn't jive with him since batman was established as an olympic class specimen for like 40-50+ years, grundy can fight superman convincingly.

if batman were to fight the flash and during the fight batman sprints just as fast as the flash and proceeds to rain thousands of blows to his face unanswered, i'm pretty sure the same "wtf?" reaction would occur. batman goes on after blitzing flash stalemating lady shiva in head to head skills, even though he previously beat the flash in his own court. 😬 (wouldn't that be some shit)

this type of thing isn't exclusive to batman of coarse.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, batman is the "dude without powers amongst those with too many" (copyright)

it's ok if batman taking out grundy doesn't jive with him since batman was established as an olympic class specimen for like 40-50+ years, grundy can fight superman convincingly.

if batman were to fight the flash and during the fight batman sprints just as fast as the flash and proceeds to rain thousands of blows to his face unanswered, i'm pretty sure the same "wtf?" reaction would occur. batman goes on after blitzing flash stalemating lady shiva in head to head skills, even though he previously beat the flash in his own court. 😬 (wouldn't that be some shit)

this type of thing isn't exclusive to batman of coarse.

That shit has never happened. Anyway I guess if it happened enough times it should be accepted.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Irelevant. You're missintg the point entirely.

According to the rules of the forum if a character is shown to be capable of performing a feat on enough occasions its to be accepted that it is within their capabilities to do so.

Ignoring the rules makes you look as foolish as actually believing that 35+14 is anything but 49

No, I'm not missing the point. I understand the forum rules just fine, but I think certain feats fall under PIS, which makes them irrelevant to the argument in the first place. Batman's showings against these characters flat out ignores their durability and powersets. Nevermind that they're able to withstand top-tier haymakers and energy blasts, anti-tank weaponry, high-caliber bullets, hellfire, etc.... but a kick or a punch from who's in great shape does them in?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which doesn't negate the numerous times hes shown to be capable of harming bricks. Low showings aren't really used either.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And your opinion does not dictate the rules. Which you seem to be intent on ignoring.

Again, ignoring the rules. this time the full capacity rule.

Digi expressed a similar opinion about Batman's limitations early on in the thread. You gonna tell him he's hating on Batman while dictating and ignoring the forum rules too? Or how about Psycho Gundam, who seems to agree with at least some of what I've been saying?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That shit has never happened. Anyway I guess if it happened enough times it should be accepted.

Or how about the Joker outrunning the Flash on-panel a few times? Hey, it's possible-- I mean, it's a comic and the Joker is craaaaaaaaazy!!!1

Wolverine has more wins against Magneto than the other way around. It's what the comics have shown, but Magneto should be able to go Fatal Attractions on Wolverine and rip out his adamantium at his leisure. Likewise, Solomon Grundy, Rhino, and Hulk should never be harmed by flurries from guys like Batman, Daredevil, and Captain America.

Anyways lets get back to the simpler convo Batman wins 10/10💃

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
No, but I do question some of the on-panel feats. Street-levelers punching out bricks who otherwise go punch-for-punch with other top-tiers and occasionally laugh it off is something I tend to question. Yeah, it's a comic, so real world dynamics don't always apply... but why wouldn't other characters who are at or near the level of Batman or Captain America (both have tons of feats knocking around bricks) be able to do the same? I think if it's going to be accepted, it should be accepted across the board for all streets, and not just because it's Batman (or Cap, or Daredevil, or Wolverine, etc).

What you must understand is that Batman nearly has no chance if he uses his own physical force. No one is arguing that. We are arguing that the gadgets Batman has can put Rhino down via his exposed face.

Remember Rhino's face is not that durable.

missed the scans eh?

Originally posted by h1a8
What you must understand is that Batman nearly has no chance if he uses his own physical force. No one is arguing that. We are arguing that the gadgets Batman has can put Rhino down via his exposed face.

Remember Rhino's face is not that durable.

Honestly, I think a few people are arguing that Batman can beat Rhino using his own physical force.

Rhino's face may not be as durable as his suit, but it's still highly durable. Psycho Gundam provided a few scans supporting that claim, and I'm not sure Batman's standard gear includes anything near what the Punisher was using against Rhino.

Rhino should win a majority, if not every time. I think Batman's best chance is to gas him, but for that to work Rhino would have to stay still long enough to inhale sufficient amounts of it to be put down.

Originally posted by psycho gundam

rhino's face isn't the achillies heel people are making it out to be.

The blast is aim at his hide (above his face)and not his face. Rhino has his head down the whole time. See, the horn takes the brunt of the blast. Also, Rhino has been injured more times through the face than he has resisted it. So do we take the best feat as the truth. I have no problem if we do. That would make me win many other debates. Something I'm definitely looking forward too.

nah bro, his chest and horn are both damaged...guess where the shot must have been aimed for that phenomena to occur...

and i hope you're not insinuating rhino performed a dempsey roll a couple inches away from the nozzle of that bazooka while sprinting. 😬

if so, batman more phucked then some of us are saying he is.

and rhino's mouth was open. 😐

The blast clearly didn't hit Rhino's face head on. Rhino was lowering his horn to gore and never had his face exposed. His chest was partially exposed. The brunt of the blast was absorbed to the horn (at least 90%) the rest went to his chest and face (probably 1%). Thus Rhino didn't take a 100% blast to the face. The fact that Punisher can easily time the shot proves that Rhino is not too fast for Batman. Rhino is linear fast and not laterally. He's a dumb ass.

nice play by play, but you're wrong if you think his face wasn't a part of that, but his horn and chest were. *shrugs*

if it was a non-explosive round you'd have an argument.