We never see Kenobi get his guard broken in sabers after switching to Soresu, the form which Mace called him "the master" of. He handled 16 blows a second SIXTEEN BLOWS A SECOND from grievous, and then cut off his arm in mid assault.
He seems quite susceptible to force attacks, tho to be fair, dooku is the only one who owns him with the force, and dooku was something of a prodigy himself who supposed himself as more powerful than yoda. But Maul has shown nothing in the force to match Dooku, or to suggest he would overwhelm Kenobi with the force (Since Anakin couldn't)
Since it is unlikely that Maul could break Kenobi's guard, unlikely that he would tire him out (fight with anakin, and the fact that soresu allows you to block blows from the enemy with minimal effort, it is more likely maul would wear himself out with failed attacks. ) unlikely that he would overpower him with the force, I'm finding it extremely likely that Kenobi would win.
Tired doesn't really come into these very much. Tired doesn't matter too much to force users. See Dooku in ROTS, he was exhausted, struggling for breath, he took a second to center himself, and he was just fine.
Now, dehydrated, starving and unable to move WITHOUT the aid of the force is a whole different animal, but thats for a different thread.
Point being: in a fight like this that is going to last, what? 5 minutes? I don't think any of the duels in Star Wars ever took longer than that by much, Fatigue hardly comes into play.
Originally posted by truejedi
Tired doesn't really come into these very much. Tired doesn't matter too much to force users. See Dooku in ROTS, he was exhausted, struggling for breath, he took a second to center himself, and he was just fine.Now, dehydrated, starving and unable to move WITHOUT the aid of the force is a whole different animal, but thats for a different thread.
Point being: in a fight like this that is going to last, what? 5 minutes? I don't think any of the duels in Star Wars ever took longer than that by much, Fatigue hardly comes into play.
That's true, only in long fights such as large scale battles do jedi get tired.
But not to point fingers/accuse anyone, but bayhunter 12 brought it up (not that there's anything wrong with that.) I was simply responding to it.
But jedi win, assuming that this is ROTS Sidious and ROTS Obi Wan.
Yoda = Sidious
Mace > Dooku
Obi Wan probably > Maul
OR
Mace >/= Sidious
Yoda > Dooku
Obi Wan probably > Maul
Taking mentality in to account, and avoiding the whole "Maul hates Kenobi cuz he killed him GRRR!", then I see this:
The strongest are drawn to each other, so, Sidious vs. Yoda. In that room of walkways and chasms, Yoda's Ataru is gonna look hilarious when the lack of space that plagued Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan is accentuated by his need for flips and jumps. SIdious and Yoda re-enact the final moments of their Senate Chamber duel with Yoda getting blasted away.
Dooku would tool Kenobi and Mace own Maul, so to make for a more interesting analysis, let's switch it----
Dooku and Mace duke it out for a wee bit. Dooku's Makashi being well suited for a one-on-one in a setting with narrow walkways. Mace's Vaapad wil eventually kick in aaaannnd.... obviously.
Maul and Obi-Wan would be fun. The deadliest Sith apprentice with his double-bladed Juyo against the Soresu god. I really can't see who would win that, but if Mace defeats Dooku before Sidious defeats Yoda, then Kenobi will be spared.
I put it down to whether Mace defeats Dooku in time enough to NOT be tag-teamed by Sidious, whom I feel will beat Yoda here.
Well considering the fact that Dooku has beaten Mace before, and was one of only two people to be able to do so, and that he has only become more powerful as a Sith, I say he beats him again to help kill either of the other Jedi. He pwns Kenobi with the force, or helps tag team Yoda.
Sidious was doing pretty well against Yoda and eventually got the upper-hand. Say what you will, but at the end of the fight, it was Yoda who fled. However they are noted to be each other's equal, so help from another one of the strongest sith should only help defeat Yoda.
Maul, being one of the deadliest sith apprentices in history, should be able to at least hold Kenobi off until help arrives. Kenobi's excellent on defense, but offense... I don't know. He could do nothing against Dooku, or Anakin (until Anakin acted stupid), nor could he do anything against Maul really (until he acted stupid - notice a trend here?). GG, yea, he got him, but had to kill him with a blaster. Maul's just a beast..
I gotta give it to the Sith. Not terribly easy at all, but they take it.
Sorry for double post. The Edit wouldn't work right.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Mace>Sidious
Yoda>Ct. Dooku
Obi-Wan>Darth Maul
However, if you want to look at it that way, then:
Dooku>OB1
Sidious=Yoda
Maul< Mace, but is good enough with a saber to last long enough til Dooku wtfpwns OB1.
Either way, Sith win.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well considering the fact that Dooku has beaten Mace before, and was one of only two people to be able to do so, and that he has only become more powerful as a Sith, I say he beats him again to help kill either of the other Jedi. He pwns Kenobi with the force, or helps tag team Yoda.
Mace Windu managed to beat Sidious in a duel, mainly due to his Vapaad/shatterpoint/superconducting loop. Dooku beat Mace Windu when Dooku was still a jedi, so Mace's Vapaad wouldn't have had the anti-sith bonus. And I don't think that Mace mastered shatterpoint/superconducting loop yet. Now however, Dooku is a sith, and therefore Mace's vapaad/s/sl will be taken into effect, and he beat Dooku. Afterall, he beat SIDIOUS.