Originally posted by HewhoknowsallWell the orbalisks have a severe weakness to lightning according to ROT and sidious lightning is probably the strongest in the mythos so....
Proof that Sidious can get through Bane's defenses (lightsaber, Force shield, orbalisks, and his own resistance to pain)? Not saying that he can't, I've read PoD but not RoT. PoD Bane obviously gets tooled, but RoT Bane w/Orbalisks IDK since I don't have the book.
You should know the rest.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
But a narrator stating something is Canon. And Canon > you.
Depends on what you personally see as canon. I don't agree that what a narrator, author, or even GL says. If its not proven in-universe, then it doesn't matter to me. That's not the policy on the forum, so I won't make a big deal out of it, but it is how I think.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I am not going to revert to falling back to quotes in order to try and make an argument. I still stick to the "retarded logic" which is better than no logic at all.
Except the quotes are logical. Claiming "lolz political power" was laughed off this forum years before I even got here.
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractNot your decision to make. Those three new members from a few weeks ago wanted to use their imagination as a means of debate. Too bad we follow the accepted canon of Star Wars here. They left and probably went to look for other forums which don't follow this one's rules.
Look to the fiction itself, not the creator.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Wait what? The quote I was referring to is about how he is the greatest Sith ever. That doesn't automatically refer to his combat ability.
The quote I was refering to said he was the most POWERFUL in history. The NEC guide. It said something like... "Yoda could not defeat the most powerful sith lord in history".
So i'm just jumpin in right now and i probably wont stick around to see the end of this thread but so far I got that glentrac doesn't agree with canon because an in-universe explanation in his opinion overrides canon.
My 2 cents if it's worth anything is this/ GL stated there are 3 worlds of starwars and his world which is everything from 32 BBY-6ABY, there's the EU which is everything else and then theres the fans imagination.
so in this case glentract is right as to what canon is to him in the sense that whatever he wants to make him enjoy SW more is ok. BUT when arguing anything from that sense doesn't matter because when you debate everything goes to what actually IS and IS NOT canon.
And yes if GL says Anakin was a chick then guess what That's Canon it's stupid and would NEVER happen but his word=canon
so if Glentract refuses to argue with what canon actually is then you will never win that arguement because you can't argue with ignorance.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
But there were plenty of quotes that did. Advent and Gideon have posted them numerous times.
Advent disagrees with the quotes' validity in supporting the argument, at least as far as I remember, and every quote that Gideon has presented has been more than adequately addressed, only to be brought up again in threads like these (see Sidious66 and the in-universe NEC quote as an example).
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Well the orbalisks have a severe weakness to lightning according to ROT and sidious lightning is probably the strongest in the mythos so....You should know the rest.
In the sense that lightning is the only thing that can actually harm them. This doesn't mean that the orbalisks make him more vulnerable to lightning than he would otherwise be, in fact they still offer added protection given they are able to absorb hundreds of thousands of volts of electricity before being damages. His unprotected skin would be far more vulnerable (or anyone's for that matter).
Originally posted by ApC
Advent disagrees with the quotes' validity in supporting the argument, at least as far as I remember, and every quote that Gideon has presented has been more than adequately addressed, only to be brought up again in threads like these (see Sidious66 and the in-universe NEC quote as an example).
Let's be clear, I'd admit that's some of the quotes that are brought up in favor of Palpatine being the most powerful are bunk. The NEC quote in particular because the narrator of the source could not measure Palpatine's Force power in comparison to any Sith Lord. I don't think Voren had ever been in the same room as him, and he certainly never met the thousands of Sith Lords that came before Palpatine. Since he logically cannot know the personal power of the people he's judging, he cannot make that claim.
Another example would be the one in Vader: The Ultimate Guide:
"Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known."
We're given the definition of what 'power' means in the context of this sentence at the beginning. 'Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire'. It's obvious then that galactic dominance and having reign over a militant empire is what 'power' was alluding to. You can't find a single person with the exception of Captain Falcon that wouldn't be hard-pressed to single-handedly overthrow the man who commands the entire Galactic Empire.
But, I do recall there being at least a couple of more quotes that do specifically call him the most powerful Sith Lord that we know about. Besides, it's hard to ignore the tons of evidence that indicates he should be; Palpatine is basically the most profiled Sith Lord when it comes to his knowledge and power.