Create your own 'FC' ending to a storyline!

Final Crisis was in no way a failure just because there is a group of people that heavily disliked it, when there's a group at least as big that loved it and give valid arguments to their opinion. And it's the same way with Batman: RIP. The fact that a big percent of the arguments of those who didn't like it is "I didn't understand it" while the other side is able to form coherent, in-depth analysis of the crossover and its quality, points more to the readers than the series' merits.

I'm in no way calling those who didn't like it stupid. There are many people to whom this crossover just isn't their cup of tea, be it from a structure, resolve or anything else. Which, again, doesn't speak of the series quality. But most of the people complain that they don't get it, which is either a sign of laziness or "jump in on the complaining bandwagon".

I still love Final Crisis.

I just feel that one more issue would've helped its mainstream appeal.

I understood Final Crisis, but I had some issues with the style of writing. I understood that Morrison was taking a channel hopping/surfing/whatever approach in order to show the breakdown of the concept of stories which in turn mirrored the events in FC. However my personal opinion was simply that by doing so he made the story less entertaining and more of an effort to read.

I just feel that Morrison can write some clever concepts and it was great to see him play around with the story telling, however I think it was a failed experiment, as I didn't see the enjoyment behind it. Perhaps it's the label. If this was a major event, if it didn't have the Crisis brand and was out of continuity, it may have worked better for the story (and would have provided an additional metaphor to the deconstruction of stories.)

I also feel the author has a duty to the reader to make the story as interesting and as entertaining as possible. I recognise that taste is subjective but it seemed from reading FC that priorities were more on telling an abstract, thought provoking story, rather than an interesting one. Clever? Maybe. Fun? No.

Don't get me wrong it wasn't all bad, I just feel Morrison should have written it more like "JLA," less like "The Filth."

Why? What's wrong with having one god-damned abstract story? We've just gotten out of the Sinestro Corps and we're heading into Blackest Night. The DC readers are getting their fill of well written easy-to-enjoy stories.

There's an expectation of what super hero comics should be and woe upon he who dares to experiment. That's why I assume you would of rather FC was out of continuity Willrules. Should this type of story not be allowed to be told in canon? The DC universe is vast and can fit any type of story in it.

Constrast Sandman and Blue beetle.

I don't understand how Final Crisis could have been difficult to comprehend.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Why? What's wrong with having one god-damned abstract story? We've just gotten out of the Sinestro Corps and we're heading into Blackest Night. The DC readers are getting their fill of well written easy-to-enjoy stories.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
There's an expectation of what super hero comics should be and woe upon he who dares to experiment. That's why I assume you would of rather FC was out of continuity Willrules. Should this type of story not be allowed to be told in canon? The DC universe is vast and can fit any type of story in it.

Constrast Sandman and Blue beetle.

I never said there was anything wrong with experimenting with the comic form, I'm all for that. It's just a major event like a Crisis didn't conform to any of my expectations in an entertaining manner. I paid for something entertaining and "Crisisy." It didn't feel that way. I think in the case of FC, something out of continuity would have served the story better.

Of course those stories can be told within the cannon, I'm not opposed to that. I'm merely expressing my frustration as I did not find FC entertaining. For me, it was a failed experiment. That makes all the difference, now it's in continuity. If it wasn't, for those who did not enjoy FC, the consequences wouldn't be that much more dire.

But of course we are debating over the extremely subjective, so it really comes down to "At the end of the day was FC worth it?" I'd say yes. It had many problems, but even if just because it's about as big an event you can get, then it's gotta be worth reading.

Originally posted by tjcoady
I don't understand how Final Crisis could have been difficult to comprehend.

I understood the plot of 'Final Crisis'. Unfortunately the story's flow was abominable. Even worse, FC was, well, boring.

The hype leading up to it was phenomenal. I even enjoyed the last 15 or so issues of Countdown. That seemed to be building with the Monitors and the Source towards something truly epic.

Then Morrison came along and shit over almost everything done in the prebuild.

Let's take a look at all 3 'Crisis' storylines, presented in my best Don Lafountaine voice:

*ahem*

Crisis on Infinite Earths: A new terrible threat in the all-powerful Anti-Monitor ravages the multiverse of DC. Heroes and villains alike die under his awesome offensive, as universe's are destroyed...

Infinite Crisis: Survivors from the previous multiverse mount a desperate campaign to bring it back. In the end the multiverse is restored...through the terrible cost of many superhero lives...

Final Crisis: Darkseid takes over the earth...and some villain named Mandrakk is shoe-horned in the end, but easily defeated.

To say Final Crisis was under-whelming is stating the obvious 😘

Originally posted by -Pr-
and...

I TOTALLY kid!

I am half-Irish...my mom would have smacked me for that comment 🙂

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I disagree completely with the thread starter. Final crisis is superior event to blackest night in every way.

Blackest night is safe pedestrian comics and has yet to reach the highs sinestro corps did. To be honest I've enjoyed the tie ins much more than the event itself.

Then you are on crack good sir! 2 issues of 'Blackest Night' have already had a dozen times more 'holy shit!' moments than all of FC.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Also for those that hate final crisis, good god just accept that other people did like it and a good number of people had no trouble understanding it. They're not lying they just like different kinds of comics to you.

That is all fine and dandy, but if it wasn't part of the 'Crisis' trilogy I wouldn't have bought it. I feel ripped off because it did not live up to its predecessors, and went off in a weird tangent that disillusioned fans looking for more of what they had come to expect from the series.

Originally posted by theICONiac
Good Gawd, I hated 'Final Crisis'.

As good as 'Blackest Night' is turning out to be FC was the antithesis...pure crap. DC is finally redeeming itself, however.

But in the spirit of how bad FC is, I invite you all to create your own bad ending to a comics storyline (Marvel/DC/Image/uh, other??). I'll go first, in creating an ending that would rival FC in sheer idiocy.

*ahem*

Infinity Gauntlet

It is a bleak time for the superheroes of earth, sent on a suicide mission to defeat Thanos and his 'Infinity Gauntlet'.

The heroes are being slaughtered left and right by Thano's omnipotent glove. All hope seems lost...

Then, suddenly the Punisher shows up, mystically summoned by Dr. Strange. The Punisher targets his laser-sighted Baretta on Thanos' wrinkly-purple forehead and lets a bullet tear into Thano's skull. The mad titan keels over dead.

Adam Warlock dashes out of the crowd, grabbing the IG off of Thanos limp body, yelling 'Yoink!' as he does it. He disappears into the ether (setting up Warlock and the Infinity Watch).

The Ewok song 'Yub-Yub' from ROTJ plays in the background as all the assembled heroes begin line dancing. Hulk and Drax begin doing the 'Boot-Scootin' Boogie'.

As Punisher gazes into the heavens on Thano's platform he sees Mistress Death, Eternity and LT gazing approvingly down at him (like Ben Annakin and Yoda in ROTJ...

THIS would be as lame as FC.

Originally posted by Blanket
Yup. That would definitely rival FC.

See, I'm not just trying to be a jack-off here about this (well, maybe kinda 😄 ).

I was legitimately disappointed with the whole thing. I WANTED to have my mind blown by FC, and it was not...and in turn I wasted $30+ dollars.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Final Crisis was in no way a failure just because there is a group of people that heavily disliked it, when there's a group at least as big that loved it and give valid arguments to their opinion. And it's the same way with Batman: RIP. The fact that a big percent of the arguments of those who didn't like it is "I didn't understand it" while the other side is able to form coherent, in-depth analysis of the crossover and its quality, points more to the readers than the series' merits.

I'm in no way calling those who didn't like it stupid. There are many people to whom this crossover just isn't their cup of tea, be it from a structure, resolve or anything else. Which, again, doesn't speak of the series quality. But most of the people complain that they don't get it, which is either a sign of laziness or "jump in on the complaining bandwagon".

Who's said they couldn't follow it?

As for jumping on the bandwagon I said "give them another issue" every time right up until the end.

FC simply failed on pretty much every axis I measure the quality of a story on. The workings of a really great story were there, without question, it needed to be decompressed by about two issues and cut three or four deus ex machina to actually be a great story.

I don't blame Morrison, he's proven many times that he is a very good writing and knows how to deconstruct the medium of comics. The problem is first that they didn't give it the space to develop properly, and second the presence of editors who think that avant garde writing is the same thing as quality writing and thus didn't do their job.

Originally posted by theICONiac
I understood the plot of 'Final Crisis'. Unfortunately the story's flow was abominable. Even worse, FC was, well, boring.

The hype leading up to it was phenomenal. I even enjoyed the last 15 or so issues of Countdown. That seemed to be building with the Monitors and the Source towards something truly epic.

Then Morrison came along and shit over almost everything done in the prebuild.

Let's take a look at all 3 'Crisis' storylines, presented in my best Don Lafountaine voice:

*ahem*

Crisis on Infinite Earths: A new terrible threat in the all-powerful Anti-Monitor ravages the multiverse of DC. Heroes and villains alike die under his awesome offensive, as universe's are destroyed...

Infinite Crisis: Survivors from the previous multiverse mount a desperate campaign to bring it back. In the end the multiverse is restored...through the terrible cost of many superhero lives...

Final Crisis: Darkseid takes over the earth...and some villain named Mandrakk is shoe-horned in the end, but easily defeated.

To say Final Crisis was under-whelming is stating the obvious 😘

you liked countdown but hated FC? for shame...

Originally posted by theICONiac
I TOTALLY kid!

I am half-Irish...my mom would have smacked me for that comment 🙂

your mother's from ireland?

Originally posted by -Pr-
you liked countdown but hated FC? for shame...

your mother's from ireland?

Of course, how else would you explain her black eye?

On Earth, the resistance is faltering. Batman looses is life as he mortally wounds Darkseids body. Superman returns breaking Darkseid's forces, just as the Flash's arrive leading Death to Darkseid. the combined efforts of the heroes and villains break Darkseids hold on the Earth, but are too late to save reality.

On a strange amalgam of the various Superhero bases floating in the shattered remains of reality, Superman and the worlds greatest scientists work together to build the ultimate expression of technology, however as they work other realities are falling victim to Darkseid. Superman and Darkseid have their final battle, but the effort weakens Superman.

Mandrakk returns, but Superman is able to activate the Miracle machine and makes his wish. Mandrakk is set upon by the Supermen of the multiverse, the angels of the Pax Dei, The new forever people, Captain Carrot and the Zoo crew and the Green Lantern corps. The heroes rebuild existence and things return to normal. The monitor world returns to the primal expanse that formed it leaving the stories of the DCU to grow unfettered.

Now that is a summary. And I still missed out loads. Jesus I could make Annihilation look bad using such a brief summary as you did for Final crisis.

Then again you found yourself liking Countdown more so I begin to doubt you taste. Also what 'holy shit' moments in BN eclipses Darkseids speech in issue 5?

Originally posted by Blanket
He said the last couple issues. Which were really the only enjoyable (not good) ones.

Of course, how else would you explain her black eye?

he said the last 15. that's a fair sized chunk.

Forgot to paste in the first bit of my summary. This is all of it.

Darkseid upon winning the war in heaven falls broken to Earth dragging reality with him. His opening moves disable the trinity and remove Earth's lanterns leaving earth defenceless. Darkseid easily conquers the planet. The worlds only hope is the newly reborn Barry Allen.

Meanwhile Superman has travelled into 4th dimensional space along with other trans-dimensional Supermen to find a way to save Lois. On the monitor world he and Ultraman must combine their energies to a colossal thought robot to Fight Mandrakk, formally Dax Novu the original Monitor from crisis on infinite Earths. Mandrakk is killed after a battle that shakes reality, but his essence infects one of his minions and Mandrakk is reborn.

On Earth, the resistance is faltering. Batman looses is life as he mortally wounds Darkseids body. Superman returns breaking Darkseid's forces, just as the Flash's arrive leading Death to Darkseid. the combined efforts of the heroes and villains break Darkseids hold on the Earth, but are too late to save reality.

On a strange amalgam of the various Superhero bases floating in the shattered remains of reality, Superman and the worlds greatest scientists work together to build the ultimate expression of technology, however as they work other realities are falling victim to Darkseid. Superman and Darkseid have their final battle, but the effort weakens Superman.

Mandrakk returns, but Superman is able to activate the Miracle machine and makes his wish. Mandrakk is set upon by the Supermen of the multiverse, the angels of the Pax Dei, The new forever people, Captain Carrot and the Zoo crew and the Green Lantern corps. The heroes rebuild existence and things return to normal. The monitor world returns to the primal expanse that formed it leaving the stories of the DCU to grow unfettered.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he said the last 15. that's a fair sized chunk.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Also what 'holy shit' moments in BN eclipses Darkseids speech in issue 5?

I say this as a massive Batman fan, whose jaw dropped to the floor in FC #6.

The first two issues of Blackest Night have been more enjoyable than anything I read in Final Crisis. If Blackest Night sustains this quality, it will be a far, far superior story to Final Crisis.

My jaw didn't drop when Superman from alternate dimensions were being recruited. I didn't care for the zoo crew. I didn't gasp when Superman wearing an armour made of stories, fights a Monitor vampire for the sake of his wife's life.

However, when Hawkgirl told Hawkman she loved him, only to have a spear burst through her chest, I fell off my chair. When zombified heroes started ripping organs from established DCU characters, I thought that was ballsy of DC.

More ballsy than the death of characters that were just created for the event, like Mandrakk.

IMO, so far, Blackest Night is winning the "which storyline is cooler and more entertaining" contest.