Originally posted by h1a8
I currently own more than 10 Thor comics (the paper versions) and have read more than 20 all together. I'm nowhere near a Thor guru but I'm certainly not totally ignorant to him either.
No need to be modest, u clearly are an authority on the subject of Thors abilities. From the deep insights uve provided in this thread its clear that none of us here have read any of those rare comics u get ur info from.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThe Midgard Serpent feat is an invalid feat for two reasons. The boat assisted in the pulling and only the head of the Serpent was material. The World tree feat is unquantifiable, which means it is kinda invalid. But if you want to go that route Superman and WW lifted infinite weight when holding up the Spectre. The question is can Thor casually break through highly durable force fields with his own fists or do he remain trapped? It is a trick question.
Are you really this ignorant? Holy shit. You went from ignorant too stupid to borderline retarded in three posts. Congrats. That shit’s got to be a new record or something.Thor’s strength feats cannot match Superman’s? Thor’s lifted the Midgard Serpent, shrugged of the weight of half the world, and withstood the weight of a score of planets. While weakened overpowered the freaking Yggdrasil and moved the World Engine itself. How the hell can Thor not match Superman’s strength feats?
The hammer is magic my friend, a pure plot device. I was referring to natural fists and not plot devices. Yes BFB can against super pluto smaller than moon like planets with the aid of Storm Breaker. But I bet you neither he nor Thor can't shatter a mountain with their fists. Your third sentence is false.
facepalmAre you serious? Beta Ray Bill can casually shatter moons, and one shot planets. Thor’s easily punched with enough force to wreck worlds apparently. He can’t hit with enough force to destroy mountains or moons? Ignorance at its finest.
He couldn't bust out. He need Mjolnir to do it. I'll try to find it.Never had what problem? Frozen? I recall that happening against a group of child New Gods, albeit it was more than just freezing and he eventually broke out as I recall.
Superman is more than a million times stronger only going by best feats. By average showings I would say only at least twice. And that is being nice.I’m biased? Fool, you’re the one who said Superman is a million times stronger than Thor. I don’t even know why I’m debating with you. You clearly don’t know shit.
Make sure the scans show that the bullets are clearly ricocheting off Thor's skin and not armor.First of all, stupid logic. Second of all, do I have to post scans of high caliber bullets and so on ricocheting off Thor?
By best feats maybe but certainly not statistically averaged throughout his career. He's been cut and hurt by bullets and blades for crying out loud and had references to him being able to be killed by bullets. Superman never had this nor has he had to block the bullets with a weapon to protect himself.Are you stupid? Thor resistance to blunt force trauma is ridiculous. Easily on Superman’s level.
The original writers have the best say in the matter. The current ones are the ones who are completely ignorant of Thor. You can't change a character from its original conception without explanation. That is complete ignorance.What does the bullet argument prove? The only thing it proves is that the writer is completely ignorant of Thor, and thinks his about as durable and as strong as Captain America.
Going toe to toe with someone has nothing to do with who is stronger. And durability doesn't equal strength. With that said, Superman was suprised on that hit, or at least underestimated Konvict. A later meeting with Konvict proved it was a contradiction or at least Superman didn't underestimate him. Thor would have got his arse nearly knocked out too if the writers wanted to show how much of a force a new being is. This is a common strategy in comics. That is why Sentry was so uber in his first appearances but seem to settle down some.Oh noes! Look:
Superman was one shotted by someone who Wonder Woman can go toe to toe with. Clearly “THOR > SUPERMAN!!!!!”
A gun is a tool and so is a real hammer. I could do astronomically more damage with a gun or hammer than with my fists. Yet Thor's hammer is even worst. Just imagine how much damage I can do with it vs. my own fists if I'm worthy to lift it. So your telling me Thor isn't weak as shit when Mjolnir is completely out of his possession? If so, then you my friend are delusional. Can Thor split planets, moons, or even mountains with his punches? Hell no! Can he bust through any type of force field under his own power. Hell no! He needs his precious magical hammer. He's nothing without it. And why has Ulik been such a problem for him in the past? Should Ulik be an insect to Thor?sly
All of his greatest feats of strength involve using his own two hands. Mjolnir is either on his belt, or it’s held in his hand in the instances. A hammer doesn’t help you when you’re lifting an amount of weight, it doesn’t help you when you’re pushing/pulling an amount of weight.
Why does it even matter if Mjolnir is on his side? It doesn’t increase his strength or physical attributes in any way. Thor said best it here:
Mjolnir is just a tool.
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What are you talking about? When is Thor as weak as hell without Mjolnir in hand? What are you even basing this garbage on? Shit, your delusional.
Originally posted by h1a8
A gun is a tool and so is a real hammer. I could do astronomically more damage with a gun or hammer than with my fists. Yet Thor's hammer is even worst. Just imagine how much damage I can do with it vs. my own fists if I'm worthy to lift it. So your telling me Thor isn't weak as shit when Mjolnir is completely out of his possession? If so, then you my friend are delusional. Can Thor split planets, moons, or even mountains with his punches? Hell no! Can he bust through any type of force field under his own power. Hell no! He needs his precious magical hammer. He's nothing without it. And why has Ulik been such a problem for him in the past? Should Ulik be an insect to Thor?
He busted through one of Surfer's force fields during their first fight with his fist.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBeing downed momentarily with an unexpectedly strong hit and then hopping up and finishing the guy in the same encounter doens't really constitute being KOed.
Oh noes! Look:Superman was one shotted by someone who Wonder Woman can go toe to toe with. Clearly “THOR > SUPERMAN!!!!!”
It's formulaic. Just like when you see a bad-guy get burried under rubble, and everyone's looking around like "whew, we did it." then the smoke clears and he stands up from the rubble like "that all you got?"
Originally posted by h1a8
The Midgard Serpent feat is an invalid feat for two reasons. The boat assisted in the pulling and only the head of the Serpent was material.
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Weve been over this before h1, and both of those statements arent true. The serpents entire body was material and i showed this with scans of people actually walking across the serpents body. And the boat didnt assist in the pulling of the serpent at all.
Anyhow i wont bother with u anymore. u are clearly beyond helping.
Originally posted by Juntai
Really? was he lord of asgard in secret wars when the other feat took place?
Doesn't matter doesn't matter i don't seem any amping here from the Odinpower. Plus Thor can fly thru onslaught'a armour with ease something it took a bannerless hulk to do and he can't do it to a mountain?
Also he talks about uses his power from his motherside not the odinpower right befroe he does it.
Originally posted by DarkOdinIt certainly matters.
Doesn't matter doesn't matter i don't seem any amping here from the Odinpower. Plus Thor can fly thru onslaught'a armour with ease something it took a bannerless hulk to do and he can't do it to a mountain?
I'm not justifying the mountain scan as that looked like trash, I'm telling you comparing Thor with the Odinforce compared to Thor without isn't a good comparison.
