Originally posted by Juntai
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4324/theinfinitygauntlet0433zj3.jpg
How about you show the next panel
Originally posted by Juntai
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4324/theinfinitygauntlet0433zj3.jpg
How about you show the next panel
Originally posted by Juntai
Thats the end of the issue, I think, just like in Trinity in the Superman occasion.But he lays there long enough for Dr Doom to come flying in and start trying to wrestle the glove off of him before he gets up and whoops everyone.
Post the next panel.
Let's make this simpler.
Do you classify what happened to Superman as a knock out?
Originally posted by Juntai
Well, we're just showing the KO shots right?
That's what he did with Superman.
Ignoring the fact Superman got back up during the same fight, just like Thanos did there.
😆 context please we see supes clearly knocked out. Here thanos is still bracing himself to get up. IF in the next panel we see Thanos laying flat not getting him out then it is a ko IF is rising to his feet different story now stop stalling and post it or admit your fishing
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHe gets up and turns Thor to glass.
Post the next panel.Let's make this simpler.
Do you classify what happened to Superman as a knock out?
No sir.
KO to me, on the forum, suggests you've been taken out of the fight. The fight is over. Superman was back up and going in the same encounter. Unless you're trying to adopt some sort of MMA Las Vegas Athletic commision version of KO.
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This is the one I was thinking of with Doom. I'd posted the wrong one a moment ago.
Thanos, eyes closed, laying flat out.
Originally posted by Juntai
Thats the end of the issue, I think, just like in Trinity in the Superman occasion.But he lays there long enough for Dr Doom to come flying in and start trying to wrestle the glove off of him before he gets up and whoops everyone.
Doom wasn't part of that little lock up...
The thing with Doom happened earlier...
...and neither was at the end of the issue. Don't worry though, it happens to the best of us smokers 😮💨 .
Originally posted by Juntai
He gets up and turns Thor to glass.No sir.
KO to me, on the forum, suggests you've been taken out of the fight. The fight is over. Superman was back up and going in the same encounter. Unless you're trying to adopt some sort of MMA Las Vegas Athletic commision version of KO.http://img141.imageshack.us/i/theinfinitygauntlet0416dr8.jpg/
This is the one I was thinking of with Doom.
Thanos, eyes closed, laying flat out.
Not the same here we have thanos KOed as shown in the next panel. I take it supes was no were to be found for a few panels So it is a KO. It is one think to get knocked down and get up it is another to be layed out on the ground not moving
Originally posted by darthgooberEh, I corrected myself that I'd had the encoutner wrong. :d
You're remembering things a little mixed up.Doom wasn't part of that little lock up...
The thing with Doom happened earlier...
...and neither was at the end of the issue. Don't worry though, it happens to the best of us smokers 😮💨 .
Actually, I quit smoking, almost. Been high like one time in almost 3 months now.
Originally posted by Juntai
He gets up and turns Thor to glass.No sir.
KO to me, on the forum, suggests you've been taken out of the fight. The fight is over. Superman was back up and going in the same encounter. Unless you're trying to adopt some sort of MMA Las Vegas Athletic commision version of KO.http://img141.imageshack.us/i/theinfinitygauntlet0416dr8.jpg/
This is the one I was thinking of with Doom.
Thanos, eyes closed, laying flat out.
So he wasn't out of the fight.
Superman was punched in the face. He was out of it. Shit, he was out of it next issue. He start's getting up the second page, but it's rather clear he was out of it. Shit, that punch freaking weakened him.
From what I remember of that fight, at best you can say that, Thanos was put down for a panel, as when Doom tried to take the gauntlet, even though it seemed as Thanos was down he was defeated. Based on that, it can even be argued he was playing possum.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSo it's a matter of duration to you then?
So he wasn't out of the fight.Superman was punched in the face. He was out of it. Shit, he was out of it next issue. He start's getting up the second page, but it's rather clear he was out of it. Shit, that punch freaking weakened him.
From what I remember of that fight, at best you can say that, Thanos was put down for a panel, as when Doom tried to take the gauntlet, even though it seemed as Thanos was down he was defeated. Based on that, it can even be argued he was playing possum.
Superman got back up and kept fighting. Thanos got back up and kept fighting.
Neither were KOed, because neither was definitively taken out.
Though, I like how after taking huge hits- Superman laying flat, eyes closed, is a knockout, and Thanos laying flat, eyes closed, is a guy playing possum. lol.
Originally posted by Juntai
So it's a matter of duration to you then?Superman got back up and kept fighting. Thanos got back up and kept fighting.
Neither were KOed, because neither was definitively taken out.
Though, I like how Superman laying flat is a knockout, and Thanos laying flat is a guy playing possum. lol.
That is taken into account.
After he was down and out. That punch even had a severe effect enough to weaken him even pages after.
There is such a thing as a momentary knock out.
Except Thanos, even when apparently down for that one panel, still one shotted Doom, so I don't see what you find amusing.
I have no problem with Thanos being taken out personally. He was limiting himself.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusRight, and Superman got his 'second wind', sorry, but you don't get second wind after getting knocked out, and start fighting harder and harder. Your brain takes a concussion of severe magnitude, you might get up, and you might feel you're in a condition to keep going, but you're not. Dizziness, blurred vision, slurred speech, you aren't able to concentrate, and your body doesn't respond right, headaches, among other symptoms.
That is taken into account.After he was down and out. That punch even had a severe effect enough to weaken him even pages after.
There is such a thing as a momentary knock out.
Except Thanos, even when apparently down for that one panel, still one shotted Doom, so I don't see what you find amusing.
I have no problem with Thanos being taken out personally. He was limiting himself.
Neither were KOed, imo. They both kept fighting after these instances, and even looked better.
What I found amusing was the double standard, not Doom getting one shooted.
Originally posted by darthgooberMan, just.. turnin' my shit around. I've even mostly given up drinking . . unless I'm just watching some football when I'll have a couple beers with the guys, or a UFC event, which I go to the bar down the block for, since it's cheaper to go get a couple of captain & cokes or beers than paying 45 to watch it at the apartment.
Why on Earth would you want to do that...
Originally posted by Naija boy
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Weve been over this before h1, and both of those statements arent true. The serpents entire body was material and i showed this with scans of people actually walking across the serpents body. And the boat didnt assist in the pulling of the serpent at all.Anyhow i wont bother with u anymore. u are clearly beyond helping.
The people who were walking on it had nothing to do with this instance. They were walking on it in Space and not on Earth. Also it is through magic as of why they (the Asgardians) can walk on it. It's like walking on a magical force field. Or traveling through a portal to another dimension.
The Serpent can dematerialize. Otherwise people from all over the world would just keep bumping into the thing. "What the hells stopping me?" "There's an invisible wall here Mr. President."
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIt was "magically" crushing the Earth. If the boat didn't pull away Thor couldn't move the Serpent completely off the Earth. Thor's arm's are only a few feet in length.
What the hell are you talking about how was it invalid? That doesn’t even make sense, if only its head was material than how the hell was its grip threatening to crush the Earth? In what way did the boat assist besides giving Thor something to stand on?
Accepted. Well if so then Thor moves up a little notch.
slyIt not being truly quantifiable does not in any way make invalid. Shit, you’re the one who started referencing unquantifiable feats, first fool like the instance in Superman: Beyond. Lol at you and your double standards.
Of course he can, fool. Read some damn Thor. His broken through Force Fields from beings like the Silver Surfer, Kang the Time Conqueror etc. with his fists.
Plain Hammer my ass. Thor couldn't do nowhere near the damage he can with Mjolnir. His average punches are astronomically weaker than that of hitting with Mjolnir.A plot device? Yes it is incredibly versatile but it being magical and versatile doesn’t change the fact that it’s nothing more than a hammer when it comes to blunt force damage.
I take narration, especially in the old days, as exaggeration and not the truth. Show me Thor actually wrecking worlds with a punch and then I'll believe it.sly
He was one shotting planets. What makes you say they were smaller than Pluto? Also I was referring to the instance in Omega Flight where he referenced doing that without Stormbreaker.
I’m done trying to argue with you at this point.Clearly Thor cannot shatter mountains.
I dare not use an unquantifiable feat. I use feats that can be proven mathematically how strong someone has to be to achieve them. That is how I obtained my greater than "a million" estimate. I will show you if you like.What the **** are you talking about? How in the hell is Superman a more than a million times stronger than Thor? Going by best feats or not? Are you related to Jelly from HeroChat?
Prove to me, that Superman is more than a million times stronger than Thor going by best feats. Please attempt to prove this to me.
Shit, I’ll have a freaking battle zone with you on this damn discussion if that’s what it takes. Until you prove so, stop spouting stupidity as if it was fact. Thor’s best feats, of strength match Superman’s. Even if you pull out unquantifiable shit, like the Infinite Pages Book, we have shit like Thor overpowering the Yggdrasil while weakened.
Honestly, Marvel characters like Hulk and such are on average far weaker than the D.C. characters on Superman level. Superman's lowest strength showings would actual make it as showings in Thor's respect thread. Thor's lowest strength showings couldn't ever happen for Superman ever. This is the truth Ruth.He is not twice as strong Thor by average showings. Where are you getting this freaking stupidity from?
I don't see it bouncing off his skin. Maybe it's the armor, and maybe it's leaving bothersome welts. lol
The point is that it proves that Superman has greater durability than Thor. How can you not see that? Superman has been the victim of bad writers too but never been cut and hurt by bullets and blades or even had to block them with a plot device.facepalm
Reading shit like this, I feel like just giving up.
Yes statistically averaged throughout his career, has been portrayed to be on Superman’s level easily.When has he ever been cut and hurt by bullets and/or blades, ever outside of a single instance, in that Black Panther issue which was blatant plot induced stupidity? Show me any of the shit you’ve stated.
Thor uses Mjolnir as a defense mechanism. Great. What does this prove if we have instances of him clearly not being harmed by bullets?
Originally Stan Lee wrote Thor to not be bulletproof. But rather use his hammer to protect himself from them. Hulk is weak compared to Superman. Thor being stronger than him means nothing.What in the hell are you talking about? That writer of the Black Panther issue in the late 90’s was an original writer? His some prick I’ve never heard off. That idiot had Thor at Wolverine’s level of strength based on that issue. He had no idea who the hell Thor was based on that. What original conception? You mean the original conception that Thor was created to be more powerful and stronger than beings like the Hulk by Stan Lee? Created to be nigh invulnerable? That doesn’t help your ridiculous argument in the slightest.
I like you Rage. First of all Superman wasn't koed. Second, WW couldn't match Konvict's strength. Going toe to toe has nothing to do with strength. Durability, speed, and skill is all you need. He landed a full 100% clean square surprising hit on Superman. Later, when superman was actually fighting him that didn't happen again, no hits were as clean and full and no hits were as suprising. So no contradiction.You missed my point completely.
You kept arguing around a single instance of Thor being injured by a bullet as if it was the normal standard of the character. So I in turn posted a scan of Superman being one shotted by someone Wonder Woman can go toe to toe with and match in strength apparently. So clearly, “Thor > Superman” based on that scan combined with your logic.
Oh shit, really? I didn’t know that. Guess what else is a contradiction? All the times bullets and other conventional shit have been unable to harm Thor.Don’t try and give Clark a cop out. He got knocked the **** out, end of story. Nothing else matters. I can play your game too.
I disagree. I believe you can lift Mjolnir without gaining superhuman strength if you are worthy. If not, then the hammer is not only a real plot device but a powerful one now isn't it.It becomes kind of inconsequential when your nigh-invulnerable, and can shatter planets with your fists.
Completely faulty logic. You would gain vast superhuman strength if you were worthy enough to lift Mjolinr.
Hulk, Hercules, and Namor are nothing to Superman so who cares. Thor usde a plot device to take away part of Juggs enchantment. Without doing that he couldn't win. Plus I'm referring to when he doesn't have the hammer on his person (even within 60 seconds). Not in his hands or on his belt or such. Like being completely knocked away. That first 60 seconds would show a very weak Thor.Oh I'm delusional am I? So if I’m so delusional, then why is Thor as successful as he is against the Hulk, Hercules, Namor, Juggernaut etc. without his hammer? If his weak as shit, than that makes them as weak as shit too, apparently. Christ….
Take away Thor's hammer and then see how weak he is.facepalm
Energy? You mean lightning. Lightning flies here and there plenty of times when Thor fights or does something impressive. Shit’s like his trademark.
You my friend are hopeless.
Originally posted by JuntaiSo you made up your own version of KO?
KO to me, on the forum, suggests you've been taken out of the fight. The fight is over. Superman was back up and going in the same encounter. Unless you're trying to adopt some sort of MMA Las Vegas Athletic commision version of KO.
Or are you talking about tko vs. ko?
Originally posted by h1a8you're right simply because hammers are designed to utilize humanoid manual power and direct it, it's a simple machine.
Thor couldn't do nowhere near the damage he can with Mjolnir. His average punches are astronomically weaker than that of hitting with Mjolnir.
but your error is that you think mjolnir amps his power when all it does is translate it better, anything short of uru would vaporize under thor's powerful blows. mjolnir can withstand his strength.
amping his strength was never an enchantment placed on mjolnir by odin so..... yeah. he's got other tools exclusivly made and explained for that task.
