Originally posted by Juntai
It certainly matters.I'm not justifying the mountain scan as that looked like trash, I'm telling you comparing Thor with the Odinforce compared to Thor without isn't a good comparison.
I edited my replay he was uses his mothers power set not the odin power if anything as he says he is envoking the power of him mother. Also Thor only had a small part of the odinpower as stated by himself. So yes it doesn't matter.
Originally posted by h1a8 The Midgard Serpent feat is an invalid feat for two reasons. The boat assisted in the pulling and only the head of the Serpent was material. The World tree feat is unquantifiable, which means it is kinda invalid. But if you want to go that route Superman and WW lifted infinite weight when holding up the Spectre. The question is can Thor casually break through highly durable force fields with his own fists or do he remain trapped? It is a trick question.
What the hell are you talking about how was it invalid? That doesn’t even make sense, if only its head was material than how the hell was its grip threatening to crush the Earth? In what way did the boat assist besides giving Thor something to stand on?
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It not being truly quantifiable does not in any way make invalid. Shit, you’re the one who started referencing unquantifiable feats, first fool like the instance in Superman: Beyond. Lol at you and your double standards.
Of course he can, fool. Read some damn Thor. His broken through Force Fields from beings like the Silver Surfer, Kang the Time Conqueror etc. with his fists.
Originally posted by h1a8 The hammer is magic my friend, a pure plot device. I was referring to natural fists and not plot devices. Yes BFB can against super pluto smaller than moon like planets with the aid of Storm Breaker. But I bet you neither he nor Thor can't shatter a mountain with their fists. Your third sentence is false.
A plot device? Yes it is incredibly versatile but it being magical and versatile doesn’t change the fact that it’s nothing more than a hammer when it comes to blunt force damage.
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He was one shotting planets. What makes you say they were smaller than Pluto? Also I was referring to the instance in Omega Flight where he referenced doing that without Stormbreaker.
I’m done trying to argue with you at this point.
Clearly Thor cannot shatter mountains.
No it’s not.
Originally posted by h1a8 He couldn't bust out. He need Mjolnir to do it. I'll try to find it.
Please do. I’m not taking your word for it.
Originally posted by h1a8 Superman is [b]more than a million times stronger only going by best feats. By average showings I would say only at least twice. And that is being nice. [/B]
What the **** are you talking about? How in the hell is Superman a more than a million times stronger than Thor? Going by best feats or not? Are you related to Jelly from HeroChat?
Prove to me, that Superman is more than a million times stronger than Thor going by best feats. Please attempt to prove this to me.
Shit, I’ll have a freaking battle zone with you on this damn discussion if that’s what it takes. Until you prove so, stop spouting stupidity as if it was fact. Thor’s best feats, of strength match Superman’s. Even if you pull out unquantifiable shit, like the Infinite Pages Book, we have shit like Thor overpowering the Yggdrasil while weakened.
He is not twice as strong Thor by average showings. Where are you getting this freaking stupidity from?
Originally posted by h1a8 Make sure the scans show that the bullets are clearly ricocheting off Thor's skin and not armor.
Originally posted by h1a8 By best feats maybe but certainly not statistically averaged throughout his career. He's been cut and hurt by bullets and blades for crying out loud and had references to him being able to be killed by bullets. Superman never had this nor has he had to block the bullets with a weapon to protect himself.
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Reading shit like this, I feel like just giving up.
Yes statistically averaged throughout his career, has been portrayed to be on Superman’s level easily.
When has he ever been cut and hurt by bullets and/or blades, ever outside of a single instance, in that Black Panther issue which was blatant plot induced stupidity? Show me any of the shit you’ve stated.
Thor uses Mjolnir as a defense mechanism. Great. What does this prove if we have instances of him clearly not being harmed by bullets?
Originally posted by h1a8 The original writers have the best say in the matter. The current ones are the ones who are completely ignorant of Thor. You can't change a character from its original conception without explanation. That is complete ignorance.
What in the hell are you talking about? That writer of the Black Panther issue in the late 90’s was an original writer? His some prick I’ve never heard off. That idiot had Thor at Wolverine’s level of strength based on that issue. He had no idea who the hell Thor was based on that. What original conception? You mean the original conception that Thor was created to be more powerful and stronger than beings like the Hulk by Stan Lee? Created to be nigh invulnerable? That doesn’t help your ridiculous argument in the slightest.
Originally posted by h1a8 Going toe to toe with someone has nothing to do with who is stronger. And durability doesn't equal strength. With that said, Superman was suprised on that hit, or at least underestimated Konvict. A later meeting with Konvict proved it was a contradiction or at least Superman didn't underestimate him. Thor would have got his arse nearly knocked out too if the writers wanted to show how much of a force a new being is. This is a common strategy in comics. That is why Sentry was so uber in his first appearances but seem to settle down some.
You missed my point completely.
You kept arguing around a single instance of Thor being injured by a bullet as if it was the normal standard of the character. So I in turn posted a scan of Superman being one shotted by someone Wonder Woman can go toe to toe with and match in strength apparently. So clearly, “Thor > Superman” based on that scan combined with your logic.
Oh shit, really? I didn’t know that. Guess what else is a contradiction? All the times bullets and other conventional shit have been unable to harm Thor.
Don’t try and give Clark a cop out. He got knocked the **** out, end of story. Nothing else matters. I can play your game too.
Originally posted by h1a8 A gun is a tool and so is a real hammer. I could do astronomically more damage with a gun or hammer than with my fists. Yet Thor's hammer is even worst. Just imagine how much damage I can do with it vs. my own fists if I'm worthy to lift it.
It becomes kind of inconsequential when your nigh-invulnerable, and can shatter planets with your fists.
Completely faulty logic. You would gain vast superhuman strength if you were worthy enough to lift Mjolinr.
Originally posted by h1a8 So your telling me Thor isn't weak as shit when Mjolnir is completely out of his possession? If so, then you my friend are delusional.
Oh I'm delusional am I? So if I’m so delusional, then why is Thor as successful as he is against the Hulk, Hercules, Namor, Juggernaut etc. without his hammer? If his weak as shit, than that makes them as weak as shit too, apparently. Christ….
Originally posted by h1a8 Can Thor split planets, moons, or even mountains with his punches? Hell no! Can he bust through any type of force field under his own power. Hell no! He needs his precious magical hammer. He's nothing without it. And why has Ulik been such a problem for him in the past? Should Ulik be an insect to Thor?
You really don’t know shit about Thor, do you? Like I shit talk a lot, but I didn’t know you were really this ignorant.
I’m not going to dignify that stupidity with any comment.
Originally posted by h1a8 The hammer is a plot device. Just look at all the energy coming forth from in on the strike. I dare Thor try that with his fists. We would witness Utter fail.
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Energy? You mean lightning. Lightning flies here and there plenty of times when Thor fights or does something impressive. Shit’s like his trademark.
You my friend are hopeless.
Originally posted by Juntai
Being downed momentarily with an unexpectedly strong hit and then hopping up and finishing the guy in the same encounter doens't really constitute being KOed.It's formulaic. Just like when you see a bad-guy get burried under rubble, and everyone's looking around like "whew, we did it." then the smoke clears and he stands up from the rubble like "that all you got?"
that and the fact that superman pretty much invited the guy to hit him.
Originally posted by Juntai
Being downed momentarily with an unexpectedly strong hit and then hopping up and finishing the guy in the same encounter doens't really constitute being KOed.It's formulaic. Just like when you see a bad-guy get burried under rubble, and everyone's looking around like "whew, we did it." then the smoke clears and he stands up from the rubble like "that all you got?"
I wasn't actually trying to use that as an actual evidence. Just to make that clear. Now.....
He was punched in the face, and was down. Hell, his eyes were closed. He was momentarily knocked out for a period of time. Shit, he was weakened from that punch apparently.
What do you mean finishing the guy? They beat Konvict with Batman's plan.
Not really. Not when the dude is momentarily knocked out.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I wasn't actually trying to use that as an actual evidence. Just to make that clear. Now.....He was punched in the face, and was down. Hell, his eyes were closed. He was momentarily knocked out for a period of time. Shit, he was weakened from that punch apparently.
What do you mean finishing the guy? They beat Konvict with Batman's plan.
Not really. Not when the dude is momentarily knocked out.
eyes closed for that short a period = unconscious?
not imo.
and superman did believe he could beat konvikt one on one, but when called by bruce went to him, not wanting his pride to interfere.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I wasn't actually trying to use that as an actual evidence. Just to make that clear. Now.....He was punched in the face, and was down. Hell, his eyes were closed. He was momentarily knocked out for a period of time. Shit, he was weakened from that punch apparently.
What do you mean finishing the guy? They beat Konvict with Batman's plan.
Not really. Not when the dude is momentarily knocked out.
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Superman. Exploding Gas Station.
Originally posted by -Pr-
eyes closed for that short a period = unconscious?not imo.
and superman did believe he could beat konvikt one on one, but when called by bruce went to him, not wanting his pride to interfere.
Not simply that his eyes were closed. He was lying their unmoving. It seemed pretty clear that he was unconscious albeit it was brief. Shit, he was even weakened by it.
He believed it. That's great. I believe Superman can put Konvict down too. As long as he doesn't try to block fists with his face that is.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman. Exploding Gas Station.Not simply that his eyes were closed. He was lying their unmoving. It seemed pretty clear that he was unconscious albeit it was brief. Shit, he was even weakened by it.
He believed it. That's great. I believe Superman can put Konvict down too. As long as he doesn't try to block fists with his face that is.
superman has had a definite upgrade since then, though.
you've never fallen over and taken a breath before getting back up? i don't think it was clear at all, tbh.
weakened? how?
Originally posted by -Pr-
superman has had a definite upgrade since then, though.you've never fallen over and taken a breath before getting back up? i don't think it was clear at all, tbh.
weakened? how?
Lol. Dude was put down by a Gas Station. Still in continuity.
What's the point of this discussion again?
That's your example? Clark was punched in the face. He fell down. He wasn't moving at all. He was portrayed clearly out of it. It was a momentarily knock out. What else was it?
In the next issue, it was stated that Konvict weakened him more than he fought. I believe it was Wonder Woman who stated it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman. Exploding Gas Station.Not simply that his eyes were closed. He was lying their unmoving. It seemed pretty clear that he was unconscious albeit it was brief. Shit, he was even weakened by it.
He believed it. That's great. I believe Superman can put Konvict down too. As long as he doesn't try to block fists with his face that is.
Yeah...
Gas station explosion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullet
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWould you say then, that Masterson KOed Thanos with the Power Gem?
Lol. Dude was put down by a Gas Station. Still in continuity.What's the point of this discussion again?
That's your example? Clark was punched in the face. He fell down. He wasn't moving at all. He was portrayed clearly out of it. It was a momentarily knock out. What else was it?
In the next issue, it was stated that Konvict weakened him more than he fought. I believe it was Wonder Woman who stated it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympushttp://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4324/theinfinitygauntlet0433zj3.jpg
Was Thanos clearly down and out of it?
Originally posted by Juntai
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4324/theinfinitygauntlet0433zj3.jpg
And what happens next?
Do we see Thanos lying on the ground, for a period of time, obviously out of it like Superman was?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThats the end of the issue, I think, just like in Trinity in the Superman occasion.
And what happens next?Do we see Thanos lying on the ground, for a period of time, obviously out of it like Superman was?
But he lays there long enough for Dr Doom to come flying in and start trying to wrestle the glove off of him before he gets up and whoops everyone.
