Wonder Woman Vs Thor -Who is stronger?

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gogogadgetgo Senior Member
Originally posted by Zeuodin
It is also quite a durability feat for Martian Manhunter as he wasn't crushed in the black hole nor what he snapped in two by being pulled on with the lasso around him. But seriously, I post scan after scan and someone is always looking for some excuse to demean the feat. I don't understand this board at all.

like i said, the lasso magically negates the gravitational pull of the black hole as well as any resultant force acting on mm due to ww pulling the rope.

in effect, wonder woman was like pulling next to nothing and mm just experienced zero gravity

😛

gogogadgetgo Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
No one is saying she isn't strong but she isn't up to Thor's strength. The guy can take the Hulk on who is continually getting stronger and stronger without a hammer. None of these feats puts her up to Marvel or Superman from her own verse.

well, i did acquire ww v1 and v2... i could go look for wonder woman feats that put her on par with thor and or superrman, if any... but i don't feel like putting myself through such horrible torture... 😂

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
well, i did acquire ww v1 and v2... i could go look for wonder woman feats that put her on par with thor and or superrman, if any... but i don't feel like putting myself through such horrible torture... 😂
It's just one WW trying desperately for her to be up there with the top dogs. She isn't. Zeuodin just posted some impressive feats but they pale in comparison to Superman's/Thor's best.

Zeuodin Restricted

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
like i said, the lasso magically negates the gravitational pull of the black hole as well as any resultant force acting on mm due to ww pulling the rope.

in effect, wonder woman was like pulling next to nothing and mm just experienced zero gravity

😛

yeah like when she used it to hold the bridge and it didn't negate the bridges weight. 🙂 I see what you are doing. That is kinda what every one is doing. Looking for any reason to demean her feats.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Zeuodin
yeah like when she used it to hold the bridge and it didn't negate the bridges weight. 🙂 I see what you are doing. That is kinda what every one is doing. Looking for any reason to demean her feats.
You are making up lies about electricity not affecting her. You are trying to use these feats to create some false sort of equality with her and the big boys.

tideoftime Senior Member

The lasso's "negating" of gravitational forces is a misperception: back when Diana had to work at TacoWhiz (just don't -- every character in comics has had goofy subplots at one time or another) and and one of those mini-blackhole devices was used to try to kill her, she and a group her sucked in; the lasso was able to magically ignore the effect of the hole and escape out to attach to a signpost. HOWEVER... it was Diana's strength than saved her and the people with her, as she slowly slid down the lasso, rope-burning her hands in the process and bleeding, until the device apparently ran its course, and she/they survived, hanging midway down a very big hole in the ground. It should also be noted for comparison that at that point in Diana's history, she was not as resistant to harm as she was even just 5 years later, and certainly not anywhere near what she is now.

*sigh*

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

LOL at Wonder Woman being as strong as Thor or anywhere as durable. Here are a few Thor strength feats off the top of my head. And the Spectre feat? It was her plus Superman, plus Green Lantern that did it.

Thor arm wrestling with Hercules and generating enough force to knock the planet out of orbit basically generating enough force to move the planet.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ArmWrestling4.jpg

Here we have Eric Masterson and Dargo two beings that were granted the strength of Thor strike each other. The force of the blow is felt across all planes of reality, and apparently no event since that of the Big Bang has resulted with so much force (And to note, Thor has been shown to take things a step up than these two before as I recall, such as when he was beating around Eric Masterson.).
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos2.jpg
Note: I've come across some people who state this feat isn't valid (Although it's been only one or two person across a few boards.), because it said enchanted forces etc. Well, when two magical enchanted beings, with enchanted magical hammers strike together, a shock wave that is also enchanted does not make it less valid. Didn't it once state, in those recaps of Thor's younger adventures, when Thor hit a regular giant, the blows created an enchanted shockwave? Gotta find that scan. I know for a fact, that Thor's blows creating an enchanted shock wave is not an isolated incident.

Here you have Thor shattering through reality and destroying a piece of reality.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersReality1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersReality2.jpg

Here you have Thor resisting his own weight multiplied to infinity.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton2.jpg

Thor in a single hit breaks through Celestial Armor.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials1.jpg

In the last page, the Odin Destroyer was pounding on the Celestial with hits that would shatter planets, and it didn't even phase/scratch it.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial7.jpg

Here you have Thor withstanding and literally overpowering the gravitational forces of a Neutron Star.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar2.jpg
Neutron Star.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_Star

With a SINGLE throw, causes Galactus extreme pain, the first time he has felt pain in Eons. Galactus in the previous issue, took at point blank range, an attack from Ego that shattered multiple planets and was not even phased.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial7.jpg

Here you have Thor one shotting a planet as a result of his blow hitting Bill.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet.jpg

Doesn't look big from that angle but that's only the art in that page. Here's how the planet looked the first time Thor and Bill fought on it.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet3.jpg

And here a piece of it that was floating around looked planetoid level big on it's own. It's on this same piece, that the entire Adam Warlock/Silver Surfer vs. Thor fight took place on.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight14.jpg

Hits with planet shattering force.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Aplanetbuster4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Aplanetbuster5.jpg

His fists can wreck worlds and a punch from him and Hercules, sealed a hole in space/dimensions.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AplanetBuster3.jpg

Shakes Pluto's entire dimension with his blows against Ulik.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShakestheNetherWorlds.jpg

His blows with the Destroyer, literally shake all of Asgard.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer31.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer32.jpg

Hits with such a force, a blow like it has never been struck in a thousand eternities. Mountains on even Asgard shake, and even the Starry heavens shake. It was stated if they were on Asgard, it would have been turned into rubble etc.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShakestheHeavens.jpg

Overpowers and lifts the weight of the Midgard Serpent, which was crushing the Earth in it's grip.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent3.jpg
Note: I noticed it was stated that it was Ethereal. As I recall it was in reference to humans not being able to see or feel the Serpent themselves. For example the humans had no idea what was happening to the planet and were not aware of the Serpent while the Serpent was still physical enough to crush the planet, and was still physical to Asgardians, as Loki and his men used it as a bridge etc.

Easily crushes and breaks through Cosmic Barriers set up by a Silver Surfer significantly powered up by Silver Surfer as he states himself.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersNorrinBarrier1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersNorrinBarrier2.jpg

Shrugs off the weight of half the planet (The planet weights like 6.6 Sextillion tons I believe.).
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan5.jpg

Here you have Thor overpowering the World Engine (And turning back time, reversing the process of what it did from what I understand.) while weakened.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine5.jpg

This is perhaps Thor's greatest strength feat. The World Engine was literally powered by not only by a world ending Engine, but by Yggdrasil itself. That's what makes it so impressive. Yggrdasil is the Cosmic Axis. It literally connects all worlds and holds all of reality in place.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor73.jpg

Just messing with it, unleashes power that warps all of reality, across all planes.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree5.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree7.jpg

The thing easily depowered all the Asgardians including Odin and made them mortal as I recall.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree6.jpg

Thor's also tanked planet busting attacks, and the full brunt of a planet exploding etc. unharmed. Tanked attacks from merciless Celestials, who were punching through the Destroyer armor as if it was made of cardboard with their attacks a page earlier (And it was stated the armor could easily shrug of Solar System busting attacks.). His tanked attacks from a blood lusted Infinity possessed Odin who in the same or previous issue was casually wiping out Galaxies with his battle with Infinity.

Now I gotta get to work. Anyone actually believe, that Wonder Woman is as strong or stronger I'll even battle zone you. But don't expect a reply if anyone wants to challenge me until like the weekend at least. I'm very busy nowadays, and barely have time for boards and shit. I haven't even read the Thor Giant Size Finale that came out yesterday yet.

At the end of the day, I think it's been made pretty clear that while impressive and really strong, she just isn't as strong as beings such as Thor, or Superman (Who rival each other in strength.). She'd get wrecked by either 10/10 in a pure slugfest.

tideoftime Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are making up lies about electricity not affecting her. You are trying to use these feats to create some false sort of equality with her and the big boys.

He isn't lying -- he exaggerated. Diana is resistant to electricity, and it doesn't affect her nearly to the degree that it would affect lesser metahumans, but she is affected by it more so than Superman, or Captain Marvel, for example.

(See, Zeuodin? I warned you about hyperbole... watch the absolute statements. Despite largely agreeing with you on this general topic, I am *not* a WW fanboi as quanchi alledged me to be -- just very knowledgable about her as a character, and how she has evolved and been reinterpreted over the past 7 decades, and am more than willing to acknowledge her limitations as they are. Unfortunately, others are not will to acknowledge her strengths in equal turn, but oh well...)

Kris Blaze Restricted

Good post Rage.

It's just adding on, but the world tree also completely messed with Hel's mind as well.

Zeuodin Restricted

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
LOL at Wonder Woman being as strong as Thor or anywhere as durable. Here are a few Thor strength feats off the top of my head. And the Spectre feat? It was her plus Superman, plus Green Lantern that did it.

Thor arm wrestling with Hercules and generating enough force to knock the planet out of orbit basically generating enough force to move the planet.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ArmWrestling4.jpg

Here we have Eric Masterson and Dargo two beings that were granted the strength of Thor strike each other. The force of the blow is felt across all planes of reality, and apparently no event since that of the Big Bang has resulted with so much force (And to note, Thor has been shown to take things a step up than these two before as I recall, such as when he was beating around Eric Masterson.).
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos2.jpg
Note: I've come across some people who state this feat isn't valid (Although it's been only one or two person across a few boards.), because it said enchanted forces etc. Well, when two magical enchanted beings, with enchanted magical hammers strike together, a shock wave that is also enchanted does not make it less valid. Didn't it once state, in those recaps of Thor's younger adventures, when Thor hit a regular giant, the blows created an enchanted shockwave? Gotta find that scan. I know for a fact, that Thor's blows creating an enchanted shock wave is not an isolated incident.

Here you have Thor shattering through reality and destroying a piece of reality.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersReality1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersReality2.jpg

Here you have Thor resisting his own weight multiplied to infinity.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton2.jpg

Thor in a single hit breaks through Celestial Armor.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials1.jpg

In the last page, the Odin Destroyer was pounding on the Celestial with hits that would shatter planets, and it didn't even phase/scratch it.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial7.jpg

Here you have Thor withstanding and literally overpowering the gravitational forces of a Neutron Star.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar2.jpg
Neutron Star.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_Star

With a SINGLE throw, causes Galactus extreme pain, the first time he has felt pain in Eons. Galactus in the previous issue, took at point blank range, an attack from Ego that shattered multiple planets and was not even phased.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial7.jpg

Here you have Thor one shotting a planet as a result of his blow hitting Bill.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet.jpg

Doesn't look big from that angle but that's only the art in that page. Here's how the planet looked the first time Thor and Bill fought on it.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet3.jpg

And here a piece of it that was floating around looked planetoid level big on it's own. It's on this same piece, that the entire Adam Warlock/Silver Surfer vs. Thor fight took place on.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight14.jpg

Hits with planet shattering force.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Aplanetbuster4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Aplanetbuster5.jpg

His fists can wreck worlds and a punch from him and Hercules, sealed a hole in space/dimensions.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AplanetBuster3.jpg

Shakes Pluto's entire dimension with his blows against Ulik.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShakestheNetherWorlds.jpg

His blows with the Destroyer, literally shake all of Asgard.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer31.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer32.jpg

Hits with such a force, a blow like it has never been struck in a thousand eternities. Mountains on even Asgard shake, and even the Starry heavens shake. It was stated if they were on Asgard, it would have been turned into rubble etc.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShakestheHeavens.jpg

Overpowers and lifts the weight of the Midgard Serpent, which was crushing the Earth in it's grip.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent3.jpg
Note: I noticed it was stated that it was Ethereal. As I recall it was in reference to humans not being able to see or feel the Serpent themselves. For example the humans had no idea what was happening to the planet and were not aware of the Serpent while the Serpent was still physical enough to crush the planet, and was still physical to Asgardians, as Loki and his men used it as a bridge etc.

Easily crushes and breaks through Cosmic Barriers set up by a Silver Surfer significantly powered up by Silver Surfer as he states himself.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersNorrinBarrier1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersNorrinBarrier2.jpg

Shrugs off the weight of half the planet (The planet weights like 6.6 Sextillion tons I believe.).
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan5.jpg

Here you have Thor overpowering the World Engine (And turning back time, reversing the process of what it did from what I understand.) while weakened.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine4.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine5.jpg

This is perhaps Thor's greatest strength feat. The World Engine was literally powered by not only by a world ending Engine, but by Yggdrasil itself. That's what makes it so impressive. Yggrdasil is the Cosmic Axis. It literally connects all worlds and holds all of reality in place.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor73.jpg

Just messing with it, unleashes power that warps all of reality, across all planes.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree5.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree7.jpg

The thing easily depowered all the Asgardians including Odin and made them mortal as I recall.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree6.jpg

Thor's also tanked planet busting attacks, and the full brunt of a planet exploding etc. unharmed. Tanked attacks from merciless Celestials, who were punching through the Destroyer armor as if it was made of cardboard with their attacks a page earlier (And it was stated the armor could easily shrug of Solar System busting attacks.). His tanked attacks from a blood lusted Infinity possessed Odin who in the same or previous issue was casually wiping out Galaxies with his battle with Infinity.

Now I gotta get to work. Anyone actually believe, that Wonder Woman is as strong or stronger I'll even battle zone you. But don't expect a reply if anyone wants to challenge me until like the weekend at least. I'm very busy nowadays, and barely have time for boards and shit. I haven't even read the Thor Giant Size Finale that came out yesterday yet.

At the end of the day, I think it's been made pretty clear that while impressive and really strong, she just isn't as strong as beings such as Thor, or Superman (Who rival each other in strength.). She'd get wrecked by either 10/10 in a pure slugfest.

I'm not going to even respond to this because you are using Thor's hammer as strength feats. You are using hyperbole from a comic in the 60's when it's clear that they didn't knock the planet out of orbit. Etc. and then you say the Spectre feat doesn't count because it was shared with superman but turn around and say HERCULESE AND THOR generated force enough to knock the planet out of orbit. You see how completely biased and silly that is. The post failed. Do better.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member
Originally posted by Zeuodin
I'm not going to even respond to this because you are using Thor's hammer as strength feats. You are using hyperbole from a comic in the 60's when it's clear that they didn't knock the planet out of orbit. Etc. and then you say the Spectre feat doesn't count because it was shared with superman but turn around and say HERCULESE AND THOR generated force enough to knock the planet out of orbit. You see how completely biased and silly that is. The post failed. Do better.

Hammer as strength feats? What? Striking power feats are part of strength feats, just as lifting feats are a part of strength feats as well. And the hammer is only mechanical if he uses it as a blunt force object.

What? It was stated they were generating enough force to knock the planet out of orbit, and the narrator stated that they should count their blessings, that the plateau was the only thing that was shattered.

Where the hell did I say the Spectre feat did not count? Do you have reading comprehension problems? I simply stated that it was shared between Wonder Woman, Superman and Kyle. I never stated that it doesn't count. Don't put words in my mouth.

What? You are either delusional or high, with your made up accusations.

Lol at the biased remark, when in the same post you make up shit, dismiss the feats I posted because you don't like what they lead to, mainly Thor being above Wonder Woman which he is, and anybody with a lick of sense realizes it. You then try and state that said feat with Hercules must not count, because the planet was not spinning out of control out of orbit and killing every human on it as a result because they didn't have a magic Green Lantern to negate the gravitational effects but have no problem using the Spectre instance, where he says his consciousness houses Eternity, yet if it weighed Eternity, why could they slow his descent down when "Superman's strength + Wonder Woman's strength + Kyle Rayner" does not equal Eternity? Why didn't everything collapse on in itself when something of Infinite Mass entered the Universe? I can use bullshit like that too, and call it hyperbole. But fortunately for you I'm not.

Zeuodin Restricted

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hammer as strength feats? What? Striking power feats are part of strength feats, just as lifting feats are a part of strength feats as well. And the hammer is only mechanical if he uses it as a blunt force object.

What? It was stated they were generating enough force to knock the planet out of orbit, and the narrator stated that they should count their blessings, that the plateau was the only thing that was shattered.

Where the hell did I say the Spectre feat did not count? Do you have reading comprehension problems? I simply stated that it was shared between Wonder Woman, Superman and Kyle. I never stated that it doesn't count. Don't put words in my mouth.

What? You are either delusional or high, with your made up accusations.

Lol at the biased remark, when in the same post you make up shit, dismiss the feats I posted because you don't like what they lead to, mainly Thor being above Wonder Woman which he is, and anybody with a lick of sense realizes it. You then try and state that said feat with Hercules must not count, because the planet was not spinning out of control out of orbit and killing every human on it as a result because they didn't have a magic Green Lantern to negate the gravitational effects but have no problem using the Spectre instance, where he says his consciousness houses Eternity, yet if it weighed Eternity, why could they slow his descent down when "Superman's strength + Wonder Woman's strength + Kyle Rayner" does not equal Eternity? Why didn't everything collapse on in itself when something of Infinite Mass entered the Universe? I can use bullshit like that too, and call it hyperbole. But fortunately for you I'm not.

There was just a debate about Thor's hammer strike Versus Superman's punch. Thor's hammer strikes are mechanically inclinded to be harder. The mechanics of any object swung give more force than a pure fist or we'd play base ball with our fist in steel gloves. People play hand ball and they can't hit a ball as hard as with a bat. mechanics trumps your argument. Also, durability also plays a part in striking power. Thor's hammer is indestructible or nearly so. Again his hammer feats do not count for shit in an argument based solely upon strength. Also, Kyle wasn't holding the spectre up. He wasn't even mentioned when the Spectre was talking about his weight form. what ever he was doing, it wasn't lifting. The Spectre is divine. Of course everything wont' collapse in on itself. He's a magical being. Your retort falls upon my deaf ear in that regard. This is a debate about strength. I in no way Think Wonder Woman holds a candle to Thor in power. I do believe she is a match for him in a fight and certainly in hand to hand.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member
Originally posted by Zeuodin
There was just a debate about Thor's hammer strike Versus Superman's punch. Thor's hammer strikes are mechanically inclinded to be harder. The mechanics of any object swung give more force than a pure fist or we'd play base ball with our fist in steel gloves. People play hand ball and they can't hit a ball as hard as with a bat. mechanics trumps your argument. Also, durability also plays a part in striking power. Thor's hammer is indestructible or nearly so. Again his hammer feats do not count for shit in an argument based solely upon strength. Also, Kyle wasn't holding the spectre up. He wasn't even mentioned when the Spectre was talking about his weight form. what ever he was doing, it wasn't lifting. The Spectre is divine. Of course everything wont' collapse in on itself. He's a magical being. Your retort falls upon my deaf ear in that regard. This is a debate about strength. I in now way Think Wonder Woman holds a candle to Thor in power. I do believe she is a match for him in a fight and certainly in hand to hand.

That's nice. Too bad Thor's fist is also nearly indestructible. Heck, Thor has been shown to shatter Uru. You know the same shit, that his hammer is made of? Yea, so there goes that argument...

Don't compare human mechanics to these type of characters. Thor's been shown to hit just as hard without Mjolnir as he has with Mjolnir on different occasions, such as when he goes toe to toe with an opponent with Mjolnir, they taunt him, he puts it down, then goes on to beat the shit out of them or one shot them, such as Tyr etc. Of course it has been shown that he hits a bit harder, but that's just it. A bit. The difference would be insignificant to these level of feats. So you really have no basis on dismissing his feats where he uses his hammer as if he is not capable of that level of strength without it.
That's just stupid and utterly ridiculous.

We could see Kyle Rayner straining and encasing the Spectre in Green Lantern energy. I'm pretty sure he was at least slowing down it's descent. Find the scan, look for yourself if you want. He was talking about physical strength in that narrator box. We could also clearly see Kyle participating in said feat.

So what if his a magical divine being? That means utter shit, when your dealing with two magical divine beings as well, and try to pull some ridiculous shit, that the said feat isn't valid because the planet didn't spin out of control killing all the humans. You at the same time have no problem using the Spectre feat, yet, the Universe didn't collapse, and Clark/Diana didn't die as we know they don't have infinite strength.

Deaf? More like blind because of all the DC wanking. Here is how our conversation has been so far and how I expect it to continue and turn into.

You: FEAT FROM THOR HERCULES NOT VALID!!!!PLANET DIDN"T GET KNOCKED OUT OF ORBIT> @WWW NOES

Me: The Spectre feat didn't collapse the Universe and didn't destroy Wonder Woman or Superman as we both know they don't have Infinite Strength. So how can you argue that said feat is not valid, when what should happen in the real world didn't happen yet argue that the Spectre feat is valid.

You: SPECTRE IS TEH MAGICA@@@@@@!!!!!ME NO LISTEENNN!!!!DIVINE BEING!!!!

Me: But they are magical diving beings.

You: Me NOOOO LISTEANZZZ!

Me: But

You: ME NO LIZTETEEEN

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Anyways, I have to go.

Zeuodin Restricted

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's nice. Too bad Thor's fist is also nearly indestructible. Heck, Thor has been shown to shatter Uru. You know the same shit, that his hammer is made of? Yea, so there goes that argument...

Don't compare human mechanics to these type of characters. Thor's been shown to hit just as hard without Mjolnir as he has with Mjolnir on different occasions, such as when he goes toe to toe with an opponent with Mjolnir, they taunt him, he puts it down, then goes on to beat the shit out of them or one shot them, such as Tyr etc. Of course it has been shown that he hits a bit harder, but that's just it. A bit. The difference would be insignificant to these level of feats. So you really have no basis on dismissing his feats where he uses his hammer as if he is not capable of that level of strength without it.
That's just stupid and utterly ridiculous.

We could see Kyle Rayner straining and encasing the Spectre in Green Lantern energy. I'm pretty sure he was at least slowing down it's descent. Find the scan, look for yourself if you want. He was talking about physical strength in that narrator box. We could also clearly see Kyle participating in said feat.

So what if his a magical divine being? That means utter shit, when your dealing with two magical divine beings as well, and try to pull some ridiculous shit, that the said feat isn't valid because the planet didn't spin out of control killing all the humans. You at the same time have no problem using the Spectre feat, yet, the Universe didn't collapse, and Clark/Diana didn't die as we know they don't have infinite strength.

Deaf? More like blind because of all the DC wanking. Here is how our conversation has been so far and how I expect it to continue and turn into.

You: FEAT FROM THOR HERCULES NOT VALID!!!!PLANET DIDN"T GET KNOCKED OUT OF ORBIT> @WWW NOES

Me: The Spectre feat didn't collapse the Universe and didn't destroy Wonder Woman or Superman as we both know they don't have Infinite Strength. So how can you argue that said feat is not valid, when what should happen in the real world didn't happen yet argue that the Spectre feat is valid.

You: SPECTRE IS TEH MAGICA@@@@@@!!!!!ME NO LISTEENNN!!!!DIVINE BEING!!!!

Me: But they are magical diving beings.

You: Me NOOOO LISTEANZZZ!

Me: But

You: ME NO LIZTETEEEN

This entire argument was a misnomer. In the end, we are talking about strength feats. Thor often softens up his opposition with the hammer before he goes on to use his fist. Which means they were softened up by the hammer first. mechanics do play a part. Even Thor knows this. when he broke the celestial's skull he swung his hammer round and round to build up speed and momentum. If mechanics didn't play a part, he would have just punched it as you are suggesting. Oh and Superman has already held a book with infinite pages. So the feat seems pretty much on the same vein as when he held the Spectre's form. The feat for Herc and Thor is one of strength and durability and also shared. The shock waves destroyed the plateau they were on. Good. the planet didn't get rocked off of it's axis.

SoulDevourer M0DERAT0R

Originally posted by Zeuodin
It is also quite a durability feat for Martian Manhunter as he wasn't crushed in the black hole nor what he snapped in two by being pulled on with the lasso around him. But seriously, I post scan after scan and someone is always looking for some excuse to demean the feat. I don't understand this board at all.
wut scan?

iirc Supe came to help, the fight with that purple guy (oblivion?) was erlier but maybe im wrong...got scan??

Originally posted by Zeuodin
All Wrong. He was being pulled in as he had been caught in the gravity of it. She lassoed him and pulled him out. Doesn't matter where she was, it matters where MM was. He was in the gravity well and she pulled him out with strength alone. We know it wasn't flight power because MM couldn't fly out. Superman was getting his ass handed to Him by Oblivion. So what do you mean until Supe came?
aha!! so it was teh lasso

anyway what i ment was MM was not past the event horizon so its not like she pull him OUT of the black hole. iirc hes still in that blue vortex thingie when she save him

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I'm not going to even respond to this because you are using Thor's hammer as strength feats. You are using hyperbole from a comic in the 60's when it's clear that they didn't knock the planet out of orbit. Etc. and then you say the Spectre feat doesn't count because it was shared with superman but turn around and say HERCULESE AND THOR generated force enough to knock the planet out of orbit. You see how completely biased and silly that is. The post failed. Do better.
if yer lasso feats are ok then the hammer feats are also valid 😛
Originally posted by Zeuodin
There was just a debate about Thor's hammer strike Versus Superman's punch.
that wuz one of the stupidest topic & it should of been closed long ago
thor punch vs supe punch would be better topic (supes punch prolly stronger but not by that big margin)

Zeuodin Restricted

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wut scan?

iirc Supe came to help, the fight with that purple guy (oblivion?) was erlier but aybe im wrong...got the scan?? aha!! so it was teh lasso

anyway what i ment was MM was not past the event horizon so its not like she pull him OUT of the black hole. iirc hes still in that blue vortex thingie when she save him if yer lasso feats are ok then the hammer feats are also valid 😛 that wuz one of the stupidest topic & it should of been closed long ago

MM couldn't fly out of the well. He'd already been caught by the gravity well. At that point light cannot even escape once it's caught by the gravity. The only reason he lived is because he wasn't past the event horizon which crushes everything to nothingness. The gravity pulls in, the event crushes. I studied black Holes before I posted to feat to make sure it was a good feat. 😄

SoulDevourer M0DERAT0R
Originally posted by Zeuodin
MM couldn't fly out of the well. He'd already been caught by the gravity well. At that point light cannot even escape once it's caught by the gravity. The only reason he lived is because he wasn't past the event horizon which crushes everything to nothingness. The gravity pulls in, the event crushes. I studied black Holes before I posted to feat to make sure it was a good feat. 😄

u dont have to be past the EH hole to be caught by "gravity well". even before u reach the EH, gravitys insanely strong. MM coudnt escape it cuz it was allready too strong even tho he wasnt past the EH
(coud MM survive inside a black hole? maybe maybe not)

btw MM was visible from outside so gravity wasnt strong enuf to trap light, so there! 😛

Zeuodin Restricted

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
u dont have to be past the EH hole to be caught by gravity well. even before u reach the EH, gravitys insanely strong. MM coudnt escape it cuz it was allready too strong even tho he wasnt past the EH (coud he survive inside a black hole? maybe maybe not)

btw MM was visible from outside so gravity wasnt strong enuf to trap light, so there! 😛


How do we know? All of the heroes have advanced perception. Superman could see in a black hole. Wonder Woman has the Eyes of A goddess etc. What ever point he was at, we know It was far in excess of what earth's gravity would be. MM has Flown away from much much larfer masses than earth. he couldn't even turn intangible to escape or else he would have. That makes me believe he was trapped or being pulled in with light.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
u dont have to be past the EH hole to be caught by "gravity well". even before u reach the EH, gravitys insanely strong. MM coudnt escape it cuz it was allready too strong even tho he wasnt past the EH
(coud MM survive inside a black hole? maybe maybe not)

btw MM was visible from outside so gravity wasnt strong enuf to trap light, so there! 😛


Artistic license. It would be a boring image otherwise, of course MM would be visible to us, that doesn't mean he could see anything.