Originally posted by Omega Visionbut teh flame is bend EXACLY like the engine trail on dat ship wuz bent 😎 (AND teh light from that trail wuz visible just like the light from flame is visibel)
Moving a flame doesn't bend the light since you can still see the flame because its light is still reaching your eyes.
Originally posted by Omega Visionits an anology not comparison 😛
And you think a match is comparable to that ship's engine trail in terms of scope or power?
anyway the black hole did suck in the exhaust & all that (every1 & everythin in dat scene wuz kinda close to the hole, MM wuz closest & WW wuz farthest) but not close enuf to suck in the light 🙂
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Energy cannot be created from nothing. Otherwise everything will be nonsense. If you accept it that it can then we must agree to disagree and drop it here.
It was never proven on-panel that Heralds can ONLY absorb 1 solar mass. It was proven that they CAN absorb up to 1 solar mass but are in no way limited by this. Also, since when does the amount a herald absorbs directly correlate to the size of the black hole they can create? You basically assumed that again, didn't you?
Without applying at least basic real world physics in some form or another to comics then it is impossible to debate on nearly any comic fight. The calculations of the planet tugging feat assumed that the lasso negated gravity. That is why it is still valid. But we all know that the lasso didn't affect the sun's gravity.
You brought up real world physics being applied to comic book physics. Now that your argumentation doesn't support your claims you backtrack and try to disavow that logic. Now, how EXACTLY can the lasso NOT affect gravity and THEN allow the tugging of the planet? Explain this or admit that your "real world physics" logic is a proven fallacy.
It was never proven what the limitations of the Surfer's absorption/generation powers are. It HAS been proven on-panel, however, to be FAR FAR greater than 1 star's worth of power as being drained a "star's worth" of energy didn't affect the Surfer in any way. Heck, he didn't even notice it.Lemme guess, you just assumed this, didn't you?
It has been proven the contrary actually. Just look at the comic where he absorbed a red giant star.
Originally posted by h1a8
Energy cannot be created from nothing. Otherwise everything will be nonsense. If you accept it that it can then we must agree to disagree and drop it here.Without applying at least basic real world physics in some form or another to comics then it is impossible to debate on nearly any comic fight. The calculations of the planet tugging feat assumed that the lasso negated gravity. That is why it is still valid. But we all know that the lasso didn't affect the sun's gravity.
It has been proven the contrary actually. Just look at the comic where he absorbed a red giant star.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What bridge is that?Because that really isn't impressive at all.
Hell, in like his second appearance, in a game with Loki, Thor rips up and apart the Golden Gate Bridge effortlessly with what looked like one arm.
It takes every ounce of her strength to hold up a piece of a bridge? Heh.
Well that is why there are low feats and high ones. Diana has high ones and Thor has low ones as well.
Originally posted by h1a8
Energy cannot be created from nothing. Otherwise everything will be nonsense. If you accept it that it can then we must agree to disagree and drop it here.
3 Things:
1) Um. This is comics. YOU tell THAT to the writers. :-/ Writers don't carry a physics book with them and then limit their writings based on that.
2) Also, you have no clear measurement of the energy stores that they do have and the amount that they can draw. Also, they have been shown to pull in extradimensional energies in the past. THIS you have no clear measurement of as well.
3) I still need to see this overloading Surfer that you mentioned. From what I can remember this happened in a NON-CANON book. Post scans please.
Seriously, the level of conjecture and baseless assumptions you bring into this forum is shameless. :-/
Originally posted by h1a8
Without applying at least basic real world physics in some form or another to comics then it is impossible to debate on nearly any comic fight. The calculations of the planet tugging feat assumed that the lasso negated gravity. That is why it is still valid. But we all know that the lasso didn't affect the sun's gravity.
Except that no writer is bound by the rules of physics. We use -overall- showings and then determine the -overall- level of magnitude wherein a character operates. Using ONE feat and THEN using real world physics equations when the writer themselves aren't bound by it is silly, imo.
Originally posted by h1a8
It has been proven the contrary actually. Just look at the comic where he absorbed a red giant star.
Two different instances proved otherwise. You show me a scan that limits him to one star, I'll show you a scan that shows him able to contain much much more.
Low showings, high showings, buddy. :-/
Also, I'm still waiting for a scan of that said "limitation".
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Um. As far as I know comics support this law. That is why nearly every character is getting power from another dimension. This proves that they don't except the energy from nowhere bs.
3 Things:1) Um. This is comics. YOU tell THAT to the writers. :-/ Writers don't carry a physics book with them and then limit their writings based on that.
No they haven't. They feed off ambient energies of the universe.
2) Also, you have no clear measurement of the energy stores that they do have and the amount that they can draw. Also, they have been shown to pull in extradimensional energies in the past. THIS you have no clear measurement of as well.
I'll try to find it in his respect thread. I haven't see it for a long time now so I don't know if it was canon or not.
3) I still need to see this overloading Surfer that you mentioned. From what I can remember this happened in a NON-CANON book. Post scans please.
They are bound by basic common sense physics.
Except that no writer is bound by the rules of physics. We use -overall- showings and then determine the -overall- level of magnitude wherein a character operates. Using ONE feat and THEN using real world physics equations when the writer themselves aren't bound by it is silly, imo.
I'll show you a scan that shows him able to contain much much more.I would love to see that scan.
Originally posted by h1a8
Um. As far as I know comics support this law. That is why nearly every character is getting power from another dimension. This proves that they don't except the energy from nowhere bs.
I guess there must be some writer rulebook that you wrote that ALL writers are following right? Get it through your head, writers aren't bound by the rules of physics. That's what the term "fiction" comes from. Geez.
Even then, you stating that the Surfer cannot generate more than a Star's mass black hole due to his limit to absorb one TYPE of energy (that you've been unable to prove) is PURE conjecture as you've never really proven that both are directly are proportional to each other.
Also, what one is able to absorb at one time does not in ANY way limit what one can STORE. Superman doesn't absorb all the solar energies he uses all at one instance. He takes it in slowly and stores it.
Seriously, do you really just come here to troll or do you even believe all this crap you type?
Originally posted by h1a8
No they haven't. They feed off ambient energies of the universe.
I'll try to find it in his respect thread. I haven't see it for a long time now so I don't know if it was canon or not.
You are so wrong, it's not even funny. I guess you don't read SS do you? He's been able to manipulate magic, the etherial plane AND generate telepathic energies before. Just because his favorite source of energy is ambient universal energies does not in any way limits his ability to draw from other sources.
Originally posted by h1a8
They are bound by basic common sense physics.
No, they're not. :-/ I guess She-Hulk talking to her writers or MJJ warping realities and Superman tugging planets by a rope is bound by this "common sense physics" right? Again, this is FICTION.
Originally posted by h1a8
I would love to see that scan.
It's the respect thread Quasar vs Surfer.
Now where exactly is this CANON Surfer absorption limit you speak of all the time?
of cos there ARE lo thor strenght feats, their call PIS (prolly some ****tard like Kurt Busiek)
like when hes trapped in concrete & has to use his hammer to get out of it (cuz he cant break out himself outa simple concrete. lol yeah right)
this the same guy who can beat gravity of a neutron star (good feat, dat one)
Originally posted by quanchi112You are one to talk Thor is better than everyone and kicks their ass and you provide not one feat. You who use the one low feat of a character against all the high feats, never giving credit for the high end feats. You are one to talk. And why is he lying about a comic character? That doesn't make sense. LOL sees thru his lies? LMAO. IT's a comics board. If he's lying about comics, he's taking it waaay to serious. And so are you for even suggesting he's lying about comics. It's probably his opinion. You know that thing you throw around as fact.
So you say something rather vague and then answer there's ton of them without providing one feat.Everyone sees through your lies.
Originally posted by h1a8
The one where he was trapped in ICE and needed his hammer to get him out is one. Trust me classic thor has tons of them from what I read.
What's an ICE?
And scans/issues number as well.
And what the other tons of instances. Seeing as how you said tons, I don't think you'll have any problem naming a few more.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Scan(s)? Issue number(s)?
It will take me awhile to find it. Maybe someone here can help me out though. I believe it was the one where Thor got froze in a block of ice by a freeze gun and his arm with Mjolnir was hanging out of the block. He sent Mjolnir away and it came back and smashed the ice to get Thor out.
Originally posted by h1a8
It will take me awhile to find it. Maybe someone here can help me out though. I believe it was the one where Thor got froze in a block of ice by a freeze gun and his arm with Mjolnir was hanging out of the block. He sent Mjolnir away and it came back and smashed the ice to get Thor out.
Not this one?
