Wonder Woman Vs Thor -Who is stronger?

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Actually no. Or haven't you heard of rope burns? Ropes make pulling harder if you are alone. Ropes are usually used for MULTIPLE people pulling on something. Tell me, if you were in a room with someone who was trying to kill you. And they were just a lil bit weaker than you, would you rather face them with their bare hands or with a sledge hammer?

Wow. You went from decent logic to desperate logic here, buddy.

Ropes make pulling easier. :-/ Would you rather pull a 100lb rock with a rope or your bare hands?

Same logic applies. Both are magical. Both are tools. One is a tool for hitting. One is a tool for pulling/binding. If you're going to debate strength, debate it on fair terms or not at all.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Wow. You went from decent logic to desperate logic here, buddy.

Ropes make pulling easier. :-/ Would you rather pull a 100lb rock with a rope or your bare hands?

Same logic applies. Both are magical. Both are tools. One is a tool for hitting. One is a tool for pulling/binding. If you're going to debate strength, debate it on fair terms or not at all.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Wow. You went from decent logic to desperate logic here, buddy.

Ropes make pulling easier. :-/ Would you rather pull a 100lb rock with a rope or your bare hands?

Same logic applies. Both are magical. Both are tools. One is a tool for hitting. One is a tool for pulling/binding. If you're going to debate strength, debate it on fair terms or not at all.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Read her respect thread. She got an upgrade after clay face stole her power. When Donna troy creates a centifuge or how you spell to give her her power back, it augments Diana. it's even shown as she spars with Superman. The next upgrade came after Neron kills her. She is resurrected by the Gods. She gets all Goddess power and stuff. She rejects the immortality and she keeps the strength upgrade. The Bridge only shows that the Lasso Adds NOTHING in the way of strength to Her. It also shows that even at one of her weakest points, she was already at Colossus level. Because the Golden gate bridge with Thousands of Cars on it is already well over 100 tons.

When she sparred with Superman she showed some improved strength and speed. Based on that Superman encounter that upgrade didn't augment her strength to some incredible degree or anything. Superman stated something akin to she's back to full capacity and improved.

After her second upgrade she showed improved durability against Decay as I recall.

Those upgrades based on what I remember, increased her strength, reflexes, and durability to an extent and that's all.

Her strength limit know wouldn't be significantly improved or anything then the bridge incident from what I remember.

That was only a small part of the bridge from what it looks like. and I didn't see thousands of cars.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Sorry. Not at all the same. Or Thor's feat with the Midgard Serpent wouldn't count since he used a ROPE and SHIP to help him pull it.

You're not getting me.

I've been saying that IF we include the lasso feats, then we include the hammer feats. This is due to them having the same qualities.

If we disqualify one, we have to disqualify both. You getting me yet?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When she sparred with Superman she showed some improved strength and speed. Based on that Superman encounter that upgrade didn't augment her strength to some incredible degree or anything. Superman stated something akin to she's back to full capacity and improved.

After her second upgrade she showed improved durability against Decay as I recall.

Those upgrades based on what I remember, increased her strength, reflexes, and durability to an extent and that's all.

Her strength limit know wouldn't be significantly improved or anything then the bridge incident from what I remember.

That was only a small part of the bridge from what it looks like. and I didn't see thousands of cars.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You're not getting me.

I've been saying that IF we include the lasso feats, then we include the hammer feats. This is due to them having the same qualities.

If we disqualify one, we have to disqualify both. You getting me yet?

Originally posted by Zeuodin
THE BRIDGE WAS BEFORE THE CLAY FACE AND NERON UPGRADES. THAT WAS THE BYRNE UPGRADE. THE BRIDGE WAS THE GATEWAY CITY BRIDGE. WHICH WAS DC"S VERSION OF SANFRANCISCO. I hate debating with people who have such little knowlege and so much dislike for a character. At least I know enough about Thor and Like him.

Eh?

I know she had upgrades. What I'm saying is that those upgrades showed some slight improved reflexes, improved durability, and some improved strength.

Her strength limit after those upgrades, would not be anything like significantly above her strength limit before the upgrades, based on what I remember.

Gateway City is DC's version of San Francisco? Never heard that before. Where was that stated? Just wondering as I'm pretty sure San Francisco has been referred to as San Francisco in DC.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Not at all the same thing. The hammer feats are striking power. Not lifting feats. We don't include Superman flying at full speed and ramming something as a strenght feat because it's SPEED and durability. Same damned thing with the hammer. When it strikes, it's speed and durability added in there. What the hell does a lasso add? It sure as hell doesn't add striking power and it doesn't make lifting things easier. It's not enchanted to do such AND even real world physics are on my side. Not yours.

Sigh.

Let me repeat. A hammer adds weight, stiffness and leverage to allow someone to hit harder. A rope adds grip, stiffness and leverage to allow someone to pull better.

The hammer enhances hitting feats, true. But the feat is still dependent on the swinger's strength and skill with the hammer.

A rope enhances pulling feats, but the feat is still dependent on the pullers strength and skill/leverage at pulling.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Eh?

I know she had upgrades. What I'm saying is that those upgrades showed some slight improved reflexes, improved durability, and some improved strength.

Her strength limit after those upgrades, would not be anything like significantly above her strength limit before the upgrades, based on what I remember.

Gateway City is DC's version of San Francisco? Never heard that before. Where was that stated? Just wondering as I'm pretty sure San Francisco has been referred to as San Francisco in DC.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Same damned thing with the hammer. When it strikes, it's speed and durability added in there.

No, not really.

When the hell does it speed add in, when Thor hits something? The speed only comes from Thor's muscle power just as the striking power comes from Thor's muscle power.

It is incredibly durable. But so what? So is Thor. Hence why the difference between Thor's fist and his hammer is nearly non existent in striking power unless amping is included in someway.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Sigh.

Let me repeat. A hammer adds weight, stiffness and leverage to allow someone to hit harder. A rope adds grip, stiffness and leverage to allow someone to pull better.

The hammer enhances hitting feats, true. But the feat is still dependent on the swinger's strength and skill with the hammer.

A rope enhances pulling feats, but the feat is still dependent on the pullers strength and skill/leverage at pulling.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, not really.

When the hell does it speed add in, when Thor hits something? The speed only comes from Thor's muscle power just as the striking power comes from Thor's muscle power.

It is incredibly durable. But so what? So is Thor. Hence why the difference between Thor's fist and his hammer is nearly non existent in striking power unless amping is included in someway.

I think I said that correctly

another way to look at it is with gravity. More mass and Density the fast you fall.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, not really.

When the hell does it speed add in, when Thor hits something? The speed only comes from Thor's muscle power just as the striking power comes from Thor's muscle power.

It is incredibly durable. But so what? So is Thor. Hence why the difference between Thor's fist and his hammer is nearly non existent in striking power unless amping is included in someway.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
It's obvious that you dont' read DC. Metropolis is DCs version of new york, and yet there still is a damned new york in dc. She picked up a damned planet ending meteor that was hurling at the earth at Thousands of miles and hour and it didn't even begin to scratch the limits of her strength as she carried away and stopped it casually with no strain and you say her strength limit upgrades wouldn't be anything signifigant, where I just showed her having trouble with a bridge before the upgrades. I'm done with you. you refuse to see anything but what you want to see. It's obvious she had big Boost in upgrades. Planet Killing asteriod hurling thousands of miles per hour feat while not even breaking a sweat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Holding up a bridge while struggling and sweating.

What? I read plenty, PLENTY of DC. Don't assume that I don't. I have never seen Gateway City referenced as San Francisco. Are you just randomly assuming it's DC version of San Francisco?

Are you talking about that large meteor Terra or whatever her name was trying to stop? That wasn't planet ending, from what I recall from it's size, or anything close to that.

And where did it say it was going thousands of miles per hour, if we are talking about the same shit?

There would be a noticeably difference if the meteor was planet ending. Unfortunately I don't recall it being that large. I said she was stronger, which she was, just not significantly above it, from what I know.

Though it should be taken into account, DC characters have simply gotten stronger since then. That takes the level of strength difference even higher, so I'll give you that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? I read plenty, PLENTY of DC. Don't assume that I don't. I have never seen Gateway City referenced as San Francisco. Are you just randomly assuming it's DC version of San Francisco?

Are you talking about that large meteor Terra or whatever her name was trying to stop? That wasn't planet ending, from what I recall from it's size, or anything close to that.

And where did it say it was going thousands of miles per hour, if we are talking about the same shit?

There would be a noticeably difference if the meteor was planet ending. Unfortunately I don't recall it being that large. I said she was stronger, which she was, just not significantly above it, from what I know.

Though it should be taken into account, DC characters have simply gotten stronger since then. That takes the level of strength difference even higher, so I'll give you that.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Sigh. You don't understand physics. A rope adds leverage when someone is PULLING something. It adds nothing if someone is standing over it and pulling str8 upwards. It also adds nothing in space where there is no center of gravity. Period.

A hammer only adds it's weight and durability on a swing. While it DOES enhance the damage/force dealt in a blow, we have to consider that what a hammer can add to the force due to its weight is almost nothing when comparing it to the sheer magnitude of the feats being discussed here (planet busting).

Unless, of course, we add the "magic" factor wherein the damage is then enhanced by the magical qualities of the object.

The same way the "magic" factor can enhance the pulling ability of the person wielding a lasso.

Quit it already with the double standards. Debate on equal terms or not at all.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
We've seen Terra move mountains. She couldn't stop the meteor. Hence the meteor had more mass than a moutain. Anything as large or massive as a mountain is Planet ending. all life will cease. Also, Anything that large is going to move thousands of miles per hour thru space. do you know anything about physics? There isn't any inertia to slow it.

How big were those mountains? Been a while since I read the Titans. I recall her being powerful but not large mountain moving powerful. Could be, but it's been a while.

Eh? There's a difference then something being able to end all surface life and being planet ending. What Thor does when he was destroying was planet ending. Planet Ending =/= Life Ending. End something that size wouldn't end ALL surface life I believe.

Doesn't that depend on the force that was moving it in the first place, and if it encountered any gravitational pulls? You can't just assume without any actual evidence, that it was moving thousands of miles per hour. As well it was falling through orbit, which would add in friction and would also slow it down a decent amount. And wasn't the original piece of that city sized meteor only in orbit around Earth? Could be wrong though.

Heh. I'm gonna ignore the jab at my intelligence.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
NO. Sorry. Thor uses leverage and Speed to amp the hammer's striking power. No way to argue that. Strength plays a part but not as much as you would like. Something moving at light speed hits much harder than something not. hence why he twirled it so many times before he cracked the celestial's skull. I'm adding you to the ignore button. I"m sorry I have to. for you see I like both characters and I understand the truth. Thor is far and away more powerful than Wonder Woman or Superman. But he isn't far and away stronger than Wonder Woman. I never even argued that she was stronger than he. Not once. I only argued that she was somewhere in that ball park or equal to him in strength.

Are you still continuing with this bullshit or do you have short term memory loss? We already had this conversation.

When Thor uses the hammer as nothing more than a blunt force object, it's just that a blunt force object.

Hence why we have Thor straight up breaking through Celestial armor without doing any spinning and shit.

And where did it state that Mjolnir was moving at light speed? And you know when the hammer speeds around? That's Thor using his strength to make it spin that fast. Like when he threw a pie at light speed. It was never stated that when he twirls it, Mjolnir's natural speed is taken into account or it adds to the speed from what I recall.

Heh, you're adding me to ignore? I should add you, but I never do that. Not any fun.

Well that's just wrong because Thor > Wonder Woman.

Anyways I have to go.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Sigh.

Let me repeat. A hammer adds weight, stiffness and leverage to allow someone to hit harder. A rope adds grip, stiffness and leverage to allow someone to pull better.

The hammer enhances hitting feats, true. But the feat is still dependent on the swinger's strength and skill with the hammer.

A rope enhances pulling feats, but the feat is still dependent on the pullers strength and skill/leverage at pulling.