Originally posted by xJLxKing
Thor>WW in terms of Strength, Durability, Versatility, and overall power.
WW>In terms of Speed, Combat, and a few more that I can't think of
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Thor>WW in terms of Strength, Durability, Versatility, and overall power.
WW>In terms of Speed, Combat, and a few more that I can't think of
Durability is also about even. I don't see Thor tanking any shots that she hasn't tanked her self. Plus her shield makes her far more durable. People don't even know that the vambraces can be activated without crossing to create a shield around her.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Strength is about even. Since I believe Superman to be Superior to both by a marginal area, that would mean they are both about even.Durability is also about even. I don't see Thor tanking any shots that she hasn't tanked her self. Plus her shield makes her far more durable. People don't even know that the vambraces can be activated without crossing to create a shield around her.
Thor's feat are better then Wonder Woman's. He is also able to take on much stronger characters, while she can't. Though, that could be because of his other advantages.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Just Superman is stronger(debate able) then both doesn't mean WW and Thor have to be on the same level.Thor's feat are better then Wonder Woman's. He is also able to take on much stronger characters, while she can't. Though, that could be because of his other advantages.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Strength is about even. Since I believe Superman to be Superior to both by a marginal area, that would mean they are both about even.Durability is also about even. I don't see Thor tanking any shots that she hasn't tanked her self. Plus her shield makes her far more durable. People don't even know that the vambraces can be activated without crossing to create a shield around her.
so strength and durabilitya re even but WW is flat out more intelligent and skilled?
Originally posted by WarlordThor should be more skilled than WW since he is far older. Does he show it? No. Wonder Woman has shown her skill many times. With bow and arrow, swords, martial arts, pressure points, etc. Intelligence probably Wonder Woman. She uses strategy, magial spells, plans to beat universe threatening menances etc, where as Thor kinda just comes in and pounds on said bad guys.
please do so....🙂
SoapBox: Major misperceptions concerning Wonder Woman
#1: For very "recent" readers (those only reading the past three years of her comic, and limited issues of JL), not many situations have arisen that have provided situations for Diana to demonstrate some of the major stunts she can pull -- this is because, unlike with Thor (as he is the other pertinent subject in this thread), her stories don't as often revolve around "I pick up the Earth and beat you in the head with it" scenarios, or similar-such situations that often appeal to fanboi sensibilities (not hating on Thor -- a number of people think that all he does is beat ass, which is symbolically true, but still missing other aspects of *his* character, the same way so many people miss aspects of Diana's...) I am no good with the linking of things (computer stoopid be I), but going to the Wonder Woman respect thread usually shuts alot of arguements down, as the dude there posted a great number of pics/links that *clearly* demonstrate Diana is (and has been) a member of the Big Boys club.
#2: Paradoxically, those who are *true* old-school comicfans (have been doing this at least 30+ years, and have *actually* researched comics as a medium and genre), but are less than familiar with WW, overall, fall into the same pit of ignorance due to the effect that the "girlification" of her during the late 50's thru 60's (when she was largely re-marketed towards girls, and the stories resolved around romance more than action/feats), and the presentation of her in the TV show of the 70's (which directly affected the comics for a number of years afterwards as the writers were directed to mimic the show in many cases for marketing reasons, with the "original" DC interpretation of her only starting to emerge again in '85... just in time to then be rebooted for Crisis). That subconsious programming remains strong to this day, with only the more familiar of comic-fans actually understanding how Diana has evolved in so many ways over the past 25 years.
Now, Wonder Woman fanbois will commit the same sin of thinking their favorite character is "da' bomb", and can kick anybody's ass. That is just as wrong as any other fanboi behavior. HOWEVER, it is *not* fanboish AT ALL to say that Diana is a member of the top tier of heavy hitters, in either DC or Marvel. Especially as of about 10 years ago, she has been *officially*, and in JL *repeatedly* referred to as being a relative match for Superman in terms of raw power (more specifically, he is stronger,has certain qualities of invulnerability than she doesn't, and a wider range of powers, while she has superior combat reflexes/skills, and is armed with powerful god-level artifacts). The two of them have had numerous occasions where they have wailed on each other, and while in the late 80's/early 90's, Diana would often get severly hurt (and had an arm broken, and her ass stomped by Bizarro once), each time she grew more durable, and stronger, until in this decade she and Superman-level characters can trade blows and it is by no means certain what the out-come of such a battle would be.
It's the same with this Thor/WW battle. Ironically, while Superman could theoretically win a battle against Thor, Diana is actually better equiped (both in immediate ability and weoponry) to battle Thor, and as my further up post indicates, I still think that it would likely end in a mutual KO or fatality, with one clearly winning over the other a very murky thing...
(Khazra: here's a test question for you, with answer provided: Were you aware that even piercing/slicing attacks are not as effective as they use to be against Diana, if they're not of mystical/superior material nature? She deflects ordinary bullets/arrows and such nowadays out of habit, and not actual need (though she can still feel a sense of pain from their impact, they don't actually cause her harm)? Only special weopons of that nature -- such as the enchanted weapons of Themiscyra, or the indestructable claws of Wolverine -- are a serious threat to her. And none of this has anything to do with Gail Simone, at all; Diana was like this even before the Infinite Crisis reboot, with the shifting of timelines only slightly altering the reasoning behind why she is like that now...)
Did you, in fact, realize that? If you didn't, then that indicates you, like many comic fans, simply aren't aware of something about a character (and that's not the only thing, either). No sin in that. As I said above, a number if people have gross misperceptions of Thor, as well. I don't. I pay GoldieLocks all the respect she is due, and then some (no sarcasm intended in that). Now, return the courtesy, and let someone who isn't a fanboi with a bias educate you about a character you have faulty knowledge/perception of.
Thank you.
*Stepping down off of soap-box*
Originally posted by gogogadgetgoI've read the comics where Odin and the God Seth busted some long dead and lifeless galaxies. Not an Odin feat. Also it's easy for me to bust up a dry rotted dead piece of wood. I'd break my hand trying that on an alive tree.
LOL! comics, its there for a reason, read some.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
I've read the comics where Odin and the God Seth busted some long dead and lifeless galaxies. Not an Odin feat. Also it's easy for me to bust up a dry rotted dead piece of wood. I'd break my hand trying that on an alive tree.
Originally posted by tideoftime
SoapBox: Major misperceptions concerning Wonder Woman#1: For very "recent" readers (those only reading the past three years of her comic, and limited issues of JL), not many situations have arisen that have provided situations for Diana to demonstrate some of the major stunts she can pull -- this is because, unlike with Thor (as he is the other pertinent subject in this thread), her stories don't as often revolve around "I pick up the Earth and beat you in the head with it" scenarios, or similar-such situations that often appeal to fanboi sensibilities (not hating on Thor -- a number of people think that all he does is beat ass, which is symbolically true, but still missing other aspects of *his* character, the same way so many people miss aspects of Diana's...) I am no good with the linking of things (computer stoopid be I), but going to the Wonder Woman respect thread usually shuts alot of arguements down, as the dude there posted a great number of pics/links that *clearly* demonstrate Diana is (and has been) a member of the Big Boys club.
#2: Paradoxically, those who are *true* old-school comicfans (have been doing this at least 30+ years, and have *actually* researched comics as a medium and genre), but are less than familiar with WW, overall, fall into the same pit of ignorance due to the effect that the "girlification" of her during the late 50's thru 60's (when she was largely re-marketed towards girls, and the stories resolved around romance more than action/feats), and the presentation of her in the TV show of the 70's (which directly affected the comics for a number of years afterwards as the writers were directed to mimic the show in many cases for marketing reasons, with the "original" DC interpretation of her only starting to emerge again in '85... just in time to then be rebooted for Crisis). That subconsious programming remains strong to this day, with only the more familiar of comic-fans actually understanding how Diana has evolved in so many ways over the past 25 years.
Now, Wonder Woman fanbois will commit the same sin of thinking their favorite character is "da' bomb", and can kick anybody's ass. That is just as wrong as any other fanboi behavior. HOWEVER, it is *not* fanboish AT ALL to say that Diana is a member of the top tier of heavy hitters, in either DC or Marvel. Especially as of about 10 years ago, she has been *officially*, and in JL *repeatedly* referred to as being a relative match for Superman in terms of raw power (more specifically, he is stronger,has certain qualities of invulnerability than she doesn't, and a wider range of powers, while she has superior combat reflexes/skills, and is armed with powerful god-level artifacts). The two of them have had numerous occasions where they have wailed on each other, and while in the late 80's/early 90's, Diana would often get severly hurt (and had an arm broken, and her ass stomped by Bizarro once), each time she grew more durable, and stronger, until in this decade she and Superman-level characters can trade blows and it is by no means certain what the out-come of such a battle would be.
It's the same with this Thor/WW battle. Ironically, while Superman could theoretically win a battle against Thor, Diana is actually better equiped (both in immediate ability and weoponry) to battle Thor, and as my further up post indicates, I still think that it would likely end in a mutual KO or fatality, with one clearly winning over the other a very murky thing...
(Khazra: here's a test question for you, with answer provided: Were you aware that even piercing/slicing attacks are not as effective as they use to be against Diana, if they're not of mystical/superior material nature? She deflects ordinary bullets/arrows and such nowadays out of habit, and not actual need (though she can still feel a sense of pain from their impact, they don't actually cause her harm)? Only special weopons of that nature -- such as the enchanted weapons of Themiscyra, or the indestructable claws of Wolverine -- are a serious threat to her. And none of this has anything to do with Gail Simone, at all; Diana was like this even before the Infinite Crisis reboot, with the shifting of timelines only slightly altering the reasoning behind why she is like that now...)
Did you, in fact, realize that? If you didn't, then that indicates you, like many comic fans, simply aren't aware of something about a character (and that's not the only thing, either). No sin in that. As I said above, a number if people have gross misperceptions of Thor, as well. I don't. I pay GoldieLocks all the respect she is due, and then some (no sarcasm intended in that). Now, return the courtesy, and let someone who isn't a fanboi with a bias educate you about a character you have faulty knowledge/perception of.
Thank you.
*Stepping down off of soap-box*
shit, to think i read this ... 🙁
Originally posted by Zeuodin
Thor should be more skilled than WW since he is far older. Does he show it? No. Wonder Woman has shown her skill many times. With bow and arrow, swords, martial arts, pressure points, etc. Intelligence probably Wonder Woman. She uses strategy, magial spells, plans to beat universe threatening menances etc, where as Thor kinda just comes in and pounds on said bad guys.
so being able to solve the ragnarok cycle something Odin couldn't and actually stated to become wiser than odin himself after it ended means nothing?
and as for the part of Thor knowing if he is older I don't really understand what you mean. Thor has shown skill many times in his career too. I don't think one can easily say who is a better fighter
Originally posted by Omega VisionDead things crumble. Or have you ever picked up a dead rose?
I'm sorry I agree that the crossfire between two combatants does not equal individual power (same for all Tyrant fans who try and point to his battle with the Big G and say that he can destroy Galaxies when its really the result of both of them fighting) but your analogy is terrible. How would a lifeless Galaxy be any easier to destroy than one teeming with life? If anything a Galaxy full of life would mean more combustible hydrocarbons so easier destruction.
Originally posted by Zeuodin
His hammer has a lot to do with his battles against stronger opponents. And if you name Thor's strength feats, I bet i could march or nearly match them with Wonder Woman strength feats.
And Yes, Thor's hammer is the reason why Thor can beat many opponent, and his power is also increased with it
Originally posted by Warlord
so being able to solve the ragnarok cycle something Odin couldn't and actually stated to become wiser than odin himself after it ended means nothing?and as for the part of Thor knowing if he is older I don't really understand what you mean. Thor has shown skill many times in his career too. I don't think one can easily say who is a better fighter
Has thor ever fought a super powered martial artist before? Wondy has. Several Times.
Has he fought a skilled swordsman on the level of Beauwolf with a sword? Wondy has.
Has Thor used bows and arrows and been proven to be nearly a match for hawkeye as wondy can nearly match artemis and green arrow in marksman ship?
Does Thor use pressure points and block rapid fire incoming attacks? That takes lots of skill.