doomsday vs world war hulk

Originally posted by Master Court

Besides to Mummy Guy, the kid, troll, or shockingly oblivious guy that doesn't know what he's talking about, it should be obvious that Doomsday is a jobber villain with plot device powers

oh really ? well retardo it seem to me that the same story goes for hulk the guy who everybody practice on... am i wrong? colossus beat hulk, spider-man beat hulk, everybody beat hulk he is like the sparing partner to every new character marvel intreduce or want to show his powers, so if something you really should keep it shut

Originally posted by mummy_guy
spider-man beat hulk

I'm pretty sceptical about this, can you tell me the issue number of that?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'm pretty sceptical about this, can you tell me the issue number of that?

i dont remember but it was when he was punching hulk a lot until he fell down

Originally posted by mummy_guy
i dont remember but it was when he was punching hulk a lot until he fell down

Are you thinking about the fight where Spidey KO's Hulk by dropping a truck on him, or the 1 where Hulk is depicted as being punched out by a handful of punches from Captain America and Spiderman.
These shouldn't be taken into consideration as they are utter PIS.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Are you thinking about the fight where Spidey KO's Hulk by dropping a truck on him, or the 1 where Hulk is depicted as being punched out by a handful of punches from Captain America and Spiderman.
These shouldn't be taken into consideration as they are utter PIS.

90% of the fights where hulk gets defeated by the likes of thing or colossus or namor are PIS but that was my point that hulk is the king of PIS and jobbing other characters on his expance, everytime marvel wants to show us that some character is physically strong they put the character against hulk and let the character beat the hulk

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Are you thinking about the fight where Spidey KO's Hulk by dropping a truck on him, or the 1 where Hulk is depicted as being punched out by a handful of punches from Captain America and Spiderman.
These shouldn't be taken into consideration as they are utter PIS.

spider-man beating the hulk through brute force alone would be considered SvFL, and thus is unusable on the forum.

mummy_guy, stop calling people names.

Originally posted by mummy_guy
oh really ? well retardo it seem to me that the same story goes for hulk the guy who everybody practice on... am i wrong? colossus beat hulk, spider-man beat hulk, everybody beat hulk he is like the sparing partner to every new character marvel intreduce or want to show his powers, so if something you really should keep it shut

It's adorable the way you try really, really, hard. But bad spelling, poor grammar, poor punctuations, and I don't even see one capital letter. And you make a very poor point. KMC uses high-showings, not low showings. And not PIS. If Green Goblin suddenly upped and KO'd Hulk, it wouldn't mean a damn thing. Why? PIS. It refers to when a character, most unlike themselves, loses to someone they should be able to effortlessly stomp. 99% of Thing/Hulk fights go to Hulk. And all but one or two Hulk/Spider-Man fights have gone to Hulk. But most of the time, Spider-Man is running for his life, and Thing himself admitted he was never even in Hulk's league. And Colossus didn't beat Hulk. He had one fight where anti-Hulk people like to say "KO! KO!" But it's exceedingly obvious Hulk was playing possum. Never mind that, though, let's stay on topic. Your grammar is atrocious. Just read your last sentence. "so if something you really should keep it shut"? Is English not your first language, then? That would explain it.

Anyway, don't use the word "retard" anymore. I don't get offended by anything because most insults don't even apply to me in the slightest, but you never know who's reading. Someone here might know someone not quite as lucky as us to have the minds we do. Or at least the ability to use them. Even to your extent. Do it again, and your neighbor will be opening a nail-bomb sent express from yours truly.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i didn't ask you to clarify. i just hoped that you might have been sarcastic.

DOS DD is a plot device but WWH isn't?

your assertion that H/P DD would be so easily defeated. Superman is an incredibly skilled fighter, and he has trouble with Doomsday when they fight. Hulk's skill really isn't that much of a factor when going up against H/P. DOS? Sure.

Honestly, if your points had just concerned DOS DD (who i think loses this), i wouldn't have minded, but your claims about H/P and his so-called weaknesses make me question how much you've read of the character, tbh...

Someone I can work with.

WWHulk was a plot device to a degree. But there's a gross difference between Doomsday and WWHulk.

I'm not comparing regular Hulk with any Doomday. Honestly, considering Hulk wouldn't initially hold back like Superman did, I think Savage Hulk would've relatively easily beaten DOS Doomsday. So would have Superman if he didn't hold back in the beginning. And then we have HP Doomsday. This is where Doomsday's plot-device-ness hits new heights. Hulk's plot-device power is that he keeps getting stronger, allowing lower guys to get a good showing if they fight him early, but also allowing Hulk to always get strong enough to meet the challenge. Doomsday though... You can't kill him the same way twice? At least Hulk's strength makes sense, through the explanation of adrenaline and generating more energy, but Doomsday just simply "evolves"? And that's it? It's like a child came up with his powers.

And my points about HP Doomsday. I wasn't really saying why he loses. More like I was saying why WWHulk wins. For one, HP DD didn't actually out-fight Superman. He was simply too strong. Superman hit him several times, it just had no effect. Superman got bones broken by blunt force, not really by tactics or technique. HP DD's power makes it hard to gauge just how much of his superiority over Superman was skill. I mean, Superman wasn't holding back this time, and he was almost completely ineffective. HP DD laughed him off. Someone that much more powerful than his enemy really doesn't need any skill. Just being fast enough is enough to take the fight. And then we have WWHulk. Powerful enough to proxy-KO Sentry while holding back and being pacified at the same time. He fights intelligently as well as with power. The only person WWHulk had trouble with was Hercules, whom even Thor said was a better fighter than himself. I don't think HP DD loses through his own faults. I think WWHulk is simply powerful enough to meet him physically, and then outclasses him with skill.

Anyway, if I ever said WWHulk stomps HP Doomsday, I was just being a little over zealous. It would definitely be a fight. But I think WWHulk wins for sure.

the strength difference between dos dd and hulk is too vast, and the hulk's healing factor negates pretty much everything dos dd is capable of dishing out.

and hulk didn't even want to kill the illuminati with his own hands, he wanted them to experience life on sakaar and kill each other. he could have oneshotted all of them to death if he really intended for them to die like that.

dd's not faring better than zom strange.

Yeah i agree he would do far better because he doesn't care about the lives of civilians.

Originally posted by Master Court
It's adorable the way you try really, really, hard. But bad spelling, poor grammar, poor punctuations, and I don't even see one capital letter. And you make a very poor point. KMC uses high-showings, not low showings. And not PIS. If Green Goblin suddenly upped and KO'd Hulk, it wouldn't mean a damn thing. Why? PIS. It refers to when a character, most unlike themselves, loses to someone they should be able to effortlessly stomp. 99% of Thing/Hulk fights go to Hulk. And all but one or two Hulk/Spider-Man fights have gone to Hulk. But most of the time, Spider-Man is running for his life, and Thing himself admitted he was never even in Hulk's league. And Colossus didn't beat Hulk. He had one fight where anti-Hulk people like to say "KO! KO!" But it's exceedingly obvious Hulk was playing possum. Never mind that, though, let's stay on topic. Your grammar is atrocious. Just read your last sentence. "so if something you really should keep it shut"? Is English not your first language, then? That would explain it.

Anyway, don't use the word "retard" anymore. I don't get offended by anything because most insults don't even apply to me in the slightest, but you never know who's reading. Someone here might know someone not quite as lucky as us to have the minds we do. Or at least the ability to use them. Even to your extent. Do it again, and your neighbor will be opening a nail-bomb sent express from yours truly.

my spelling and grammer arent perfect i admit but thats because english is not my first language i would really like to see you type in other language the way i type english and then i will let you talk about that until then stick to your sarcasm, low showings why are those low showings to see thing or colossus beat hulk? they sure can do it and have the potential to take him out while he is not that angry like happened many times already , i see that you got offended by the word retard i wonder why 🙄

Originally posted by Master Court

I think WWHulk is simply powerful enough to meet him physically, and then outclasses him with skill.

Anyway, if I ever said WWHulk stomps HP Doomsday, I was just being a little over zealous. It would definitely be a fight. But I think WWHulk wins for sure.

alright how can i not make fun and laugh at you when you state hulk can defeat HP doomsday? sorry but you make me laugh and fart at same time

This is a forum fight where the first person to be KO'd (no matter how long) wins right?

WWH wins then.

WWH isnt going to be bringing any pansy stuff to the table like Superman did at first.

Originally posted by Master Court

Someone I can work with.

WWHulk was a plot device to a degree. But there's a gross difference between Doomsday and WWHulk.

I'm not comparing regular Hulk with any Doomday. Honestly, considering Hulk wouldn't initially hold back like Superman did, I think Savage Hulk would've relatively easily beaten DOS Doomsday. So would have Superman if he didn't hold back in the beginning. And then we have HP Doomsday. This is where Doomsday's plot-device-ness hits new heights. Hulk's plot-device power is that he keeps getting stronger, allowing lower guys to get a good showing if they fight him early, but also allowing Hulk to always get strong enough to meet the challenge. Doomsday though... You can't kill him the same way twice? At least Hulk's strength makes sense, through the explanation of adrenaline and generating more energy, but Doomsday just simply "evolves"? And that's it? It's like a child came up with his powers.

i guess i just don't consider hulk's powerset to be any more complex than doomsday's. while it's true that doomsday was initially created to fulfill the needs of the plot, he's become a lot more than that in years gone by. yes, hulk has developed more personally, but doomsday doesn't have that capability (bar his short-lived intelligence during Gog Wars). he is to superman physically what luthor is mentally. a foe that might be too much for even superman. the psychological effect of something like that can be immense, and when used well, makes for some very good issues, imo...

And my points about HP Doomsday. I wasn't really saying why he loses. More like I was saying why WWHulk wins. For one, HP DD didn't actually out-fight Superman. He was simply too strong. Superman hit him several times, it just had no effect. Superman got bones broken by blunt force, not really by tactics or technique. HP DD's power makes it hard to gauge just how much of his superiority over Superman was skill. I mean, Superman wasn't holding back this time, and he was almost completely ineffective. HP DD laughed him off. Someone that much more powerful than his enemy really doesn't need any skill. Just being fast enough is enough to take the fight. And then we have WWHulk. Powerful enough to proxy-KO Sentry while holding back and being pacified at the same time. He fights intelligently as well as with power. The only person WWHulk had trouble with was Hercules, whom even Thor said was a better fighter than himself. I don't think HP DD loses through his own faults. I think WWHulk is simply powerful enough to meet him physically, and then outclasses him with skill.

to which i disagree, but that's fine i guess. beating the sentry he beat just doesn't impress me as much as H/P's absolute stomping of superman physically, when superman is supposed to be top tier when it comes to physical strength in dc. while i think Superman has gotten to the point where he's know a match for that doomsday, that only strengthens how powerful that guy simply was.

Anyway, if I ever said WWHulk stomps HP Doomsday, I was just being a little over zealous. It would definitely be a fight. But I think WWHulk wins for sure.

np. i think doomsday wins...

Originally posted by -Pr-
i guess i just don't consider hulk's powerset to be any more complex than doomsday's. while it's true that doomsday was initially created to fulfill the needs of the plot, he's become a lot more than that in years gone by. yes, hulk has developed more personally, but doomsday doesn't have that capability (bar his short-lived intelligence during Gog Wars). he is to superman physically what luthor is mentally. a foe that might be too much for even superman. the psychological effect of something like that can be immense, and when used well, makes for some very good issues, imo...

to which i disagree, but that's fine i guess. beating the sentry he beat just doesn't impress me as much as H/P's absolute stomping of superman physically, when superman is supposed to be top tier when it comes to physical strength in dc. while i think Superman has gotten to the point where he's know a match for that doomsday, that only strengthens how powerful that guy simply was.

np. i think doomsday wins...

Fair enough. I understand your views. True, Sentry wasn't very impressive in WWHulk, but the point I was emphasizing was that Hulk won even though he wasn't even fighting all that hard, not to mention the power cap that Sentry's aura puts on Hulk. Despite Sentry going all-out against Hulk, their fight didn't do anywhere near the kind of damage World Breaker alone did just by taking idle footsteps. However, until we see Sentry do something really impressive, it'll be impossible to gauge exactly what WWHulk was dealing with, and thus it's really impossible to gauge WWHulk's power as well.

Originally posted by mummy_guy
my spelling and grammer arent perfect i admit but thats because english is not my first language i would really like to see you type in other language the way i type english and then i will let you talk about that until then stick to your sarcasm, low showings why are those low showings to see thing or colossus beat hulk? they sure can do it and have the potential to take him out while he is not that angry like happened many times already , i see that you got offended by the word retard i wonder why 🙄

Can you read English very well? I had already guessed that English is not your first language. Having confirmed that, I'll leave you alone about it.

You're grossly mistaken about Hulk's track record with certain characters. There's a world of difference between selling a punch, and being defeated. However, I can see you simply don't like Hulk, so I won't waste anymore of my time explaining the whole thing to you.

And again I ask, how well can you read English? I clearly stated the word "retard" has absolutely no effect on me in terms of being an insult. I'm clearly not mentally handicapped, and among my peers in life I have nothing to prove. Bottom line, I don't use insults on others that just might hit people they're not aimed at. I use a lot of insults, but making it personal or insensitive is what makes the world such a sh*tty place. And I regard you with such contempt because you have no desire to take part in a real debate, and when you do it's obviously with only a mild semblance of general knowledge for the characters on either side. I don't know in what country you live, and neither then your local custom in regards with gentlemanly conduct, but in civilized societies we have made a clear distinction between general "nothing" insults, "personal" insults that are true insults but not beyond the fault, repair, or recovery of the person being insulted, and the significantly worse "indefensibly insensitive" insults that attack someone in a way they clearly can't contest. Using insensitive insults on someone they clearly don't apply to only serves to potentially hurt others. You never know who that might be. I don't take "retard" personally. Why would I? But others might, and they have no defense. And that just makes you a piece of sh*t, not worth the time it takes to roll you up in a carpet and throw you off a f*cking bridge. That's a personal insult.

Originally posted by Master Court

Can you read English very well? I had already guessed that English is not your first language. Having confirmed that, I'll leave you alone about it.

You're grossly mistaken about Hulk's track record with certain characters. There's a world of difference between selling a punch, and being defeated. However, I can see you simply don't like Hulk, so I won't waste anymore of my time explaining the whole thing to you.

And again I ask, how well can you read English? I clearly stated the word "retard" has absolutely no effect on me in terms of being an insult. I'm clearly not mentally handicapped, and among my peers in life I have nothing to prove. Bottom line, I don't use insults on others that just might hit people they're not aimed at. I use a lot of insults, but making it personal or insensitive is what makes the world such a sh*tty place. And I regard you with such contempt because you have no desire to take part in a real debate, and when you do it's obviously with only a mild semblance of general knowledge for the characters on either side. I don't know in what country you live, and neither then your local custom in regards with gentlemanly conduct, but in civilized societies we have made a clear distinction between general "nothing" insults, "personal" insults that are true insults but not beyond the fault, repair, or recovery of the person being insulted, and the significantly worse "indefensibly insensitive" insults that attack someone in a way they clearly can't contest. Using insensitive insults on someone they clearly don't apply to only serves to potentially hurt others. You never know who that might be. I don't take "retard" personally. Why would I? But others might, and they have no defense. And that just makes you a piece of sh*t, not worth the time it takes to roll you up in a carpet and throw you off a f*cking bridge. That's a personal insult.

Lol its just too damn funny how i say that you are a retard and you are writing to me scrolls after scrolls of insults 😆

could it be that maybe some family member of yours is retard thats why you get so pissed off by it? well if thats the case that i can see how it can run in your family... anyway retardo you really dont worth my time halfbreed 😆

facepalm

Originally posted by mummy_guy
Lol its just too damn funny how i say that you are a retard and you are writing to me scrolls after scrolls of insults 😆

could it be that maybe some family member of yours is retard thats why you get so pissed off by it? well if thats the case that i can see how it can run in your family... anyway retardo you really dont worth my time halfbreed 😆

Doomsday WRECKS that chump Hulk.

DoS DD would lose after a decent tussle.

H/P-DD wars/OWAW DD wins 7/10.

DD Rex stalemates.

And anyone who thinks that DD is completely unskilled has absolutely Zero true knowledge of the character beyond the surface.

Originally posted by Master Court
Doomsday is worthless. Beating up the JLA and being stopped by Superman is like beating up the Avengers and being stopped by Thor.

That's what Hulk's always done. And we're talking WWHulk in this thread.

Besides to Mummy Guy, the kid, troll, or shockingly oblivious guy that doesn't know what he's talking about, it should be obvious that Doomsday is a jobber villain with plot device powers. He shows up, hammers a bunch of people, and gets stopped. WWHulk beat everyone, and couldn't be stopped until he allowed himself to be KO'd by the satellites. And what's good about the satellite thing is that they never said how powerful they were, so the whole argument that the satellites were a low showing is completely baseless. For all we know, the satellites fired Hulk-Repellent-Bat-Beams.

That's nice.

With the exception of Zom Strange, who clearly dominated Hulk, and Sentry, who stalemated WW Hulk, WWHulk fought NO ONE on par eith the Morrison JLA's Big Guns. He could even beat a full powered Juggernaut straight up.

Based on WWHulk's showings, which was either KO'ing, outfighting, outsmarting, or converting all of Marvel Earth, I say he beats the guy that Superman alone was able to hold off and beat. And HP Doomsday is no biggie. Supes may have been trying to brick Doomsday, but Hulk could just get fed up and rip Doomsday's bones out and BFR him into space. It's not like Doomsday is a good fighter. His whole method was to eat shots or wait to evolve a workaround. Doomsday is dumber than Savage Hulk. And I'm gonna say it again; downplaying Doomsday doesn't downplay Superman. Superman had the kid gloves on pretty much the entire DOS fight. When he realized he can't just KO Doomsday, he got serious and f'd him up. He obviously could've done it the whole time. And as for HP Doomsday, WWHulk would outfight his ass around the block.

Not really, since DD wrecked Darkseid, who is easily more skilled than Hulk.

H/P-DDWars Doomsday beat Orion and J'Onn in less than a minute.

Thus, Hulk cannot possibly out muscle him considering he couldn't even out muscle a chump like Juggernaut.

All this "combo" sh*t that keeps being said is ridiculous. The fight would be much tougher than just going in and "pow-pow, Hulk's dead". For one, Doomsday's not a f*cking boxer, and hasn't been trained by anyone his entire life. He's never even actually put any thought into his fights. He has no strategy, tactics, technique, or even real experience when you consider his fights are as simple as him eating shots and he just keeps swinging. Had he ever tried to adapt his skills, to learn, then the experience wouldn't be wasted. But as it is, Doomsday has never advanced as a fighter, because he takes nothing from his fights. Doomsday, even HP Doomsday, is just a mindless brick with a sub-par plot device power. He's not Superman fast. He's not a good fighter. He's not smart at all. All he has is better durability than Hulk. WWHulk is a master strategist, very skilled fighter, mad HF that heals anything within seconds, can catch speedsters, punch at mach speeds, and he's even stronger than Planet Hulk who had pulled his planet together by hand during a global earthquake. Not to mention the second he has any trouble, not that he would, WWHulk amps into World Breaker and thunderclaps with Doomsday's head in the middle. Then Hulk pitches the headless body into the Sun.

That's really what it boils down to. Anybody fighting WWHulk is going to be getting World Breaker as well. And no Doomsday is man enough to handle that.

Exact proof of the fact that anyone claiming that DD is unskilled knows nothing about DD.

You do know that DD's origin is that he spent hundreds if not thousands of lifetimes fighting beasts since infancy, right? part of his powerset is that his instincts are the accumulation of thousands of years of combat.

Then, of course there's the fact that Doomsday has dynamic, rage fueled strength. he's qyuuick enough to catch Flash III(Wally West).

Sorry, But WW Hulk has nothing superior to what DD has demonstrated.