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KingD19 Shai-Gen's Enigmatic Wong

They will eventually explain why Kakashi has a Mangekyo, they'll also explain why his is so drastically different. They'll explain why Madara is immortal, and why he can phase, and teleport, and all that stuff, we just have to wait. Stop trying to use that as a basis for other things. The rules for the Sharingan are known.

1. Regular Sharingan varies in power from 1, to 3 dots, 3 being the most powerful.

2. Dots and designs of each Sharingan are different.

3. To get the Mangekyo, you must take someone's eyes, it's supposed to be brother, be Itachi took his best friends(who could be seen as a brother) That could've been the only exception besides Sasuke.

4. To get the Eternal Mangekyo, you must take your brother's eyes, otherwise you'll just have Mangekyo, and eventually go blind, probably losing all Sharingan related abilities in the process.

5. Sharingan eyes can be transplanted, but they will always be on, so they must be covered to conserve energy, because the drain is far larger on a non Uchiha.

I could keep going.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by Omnislash Kid
But you just stated that it had to come from you brother while you also stated it can come from other clans men (which could be anyone inside the clan). Which is it? If it's your brother Itachi's body is bound to be somewhere (or at least his eyes). However, if it's clansmen in general Kakashi and Danzou still have the eyes which came from clansmen which would technically work since they were originally clansmens eyes just transplanted. I also believe it was said that only Uchiha could have MS and like I said earlier look at Kakashi. I mean that's one hell of an exception so if that's the case why wouldn't Sasuke be able to get EMS from Kakashi on top of his eye being Obito's? You're saying one thing and then saying another. So which is it? Clanmen who have to be brothers or just clansmen? I mean you did point them out and it said both so both technically and logically Sasuke could obtain EMS from steeling Kakashi's eyes.

I am done with you. All you do is make completely unsupported speculation and ask for info that has not yet been revealed... there is no exact explanation for how EMS works, so stop asking me for one.

Omnislash Kid I did not Mordor him!

Originally posted by KingD19
They will eventually explain why Kakashi has a Mangekyo, they'll also explain why his is so drastically different. Stop trying to use that as a basis for other things. The rules for the Sharingan are in black and white.
1. Regular Sharingan varies in power from 1, to 3 dots, 3 being the most powerful.
2. Dots and designs of each Sharingan are different.
3. To get the Mangekyo, you must take someone's eyes, it's supposed to be brother, be Itachi took his best friends(who could be seen as a brother) That could've been the only exception.
4. To get the Eternal Mangekyo, you must take your brother's eyes, otherwise you'll just have Mangekyo, and eventually go blind, probably losing all Sharingan related abilities in the process.
5. Sharingan eyes can be transplanted, but they will always be on, so they must be covered to conserve energy, because the drain is far larger on a non Uchiha.
I could keep going.

I keep using Kakashi as an example because it's a valid point. Please, explain why Kakashi is different because his eye was transplanted just like everybody else's so why is it that he's the only exception? So basically what you're saying is that while some rules have to be applied other that are physical rules are only optional. Hell, if that's the case why not just have Kakashi develop his own version of EMS hmm? So while you're trying to prove me wrong I can trump it all by using as Kakashi as an example every time because it disproves everything you're saying about Sasuke not being able to obtain EMS. If that's the case why would they mention all of this EMS crap and Sasuke if Sasuke isn't going to learn it. Though I digress since this is not directly related to the argument. So yes I understand everything you're saying but you also have to realize that since Madara is the only one of the clan to hace been recorded of having EMS that anything stands at this point. Yes there was a conflict in the clan but how many of them got EMS? It said the Madara ruled over his clan which may have prevented anybody from obtaining EMS. The facts can only be proven by one person and that's Madara. Also, since only one person has been recorded to have it though it was stated that there was conflict in the clan that doesn't mean anybody else obtained it otherwise that would have been recorded to as well as other things. So, since Madara is the only known person as of now to have EMS how accurate can all these statements be? It only stated there was a conflict in the clan (not a direct quote). That doesn't necessarily mean anybody else obtained EMS. Although I wont disprove the fact that Madara can also possible be an exception but that also doesn't prove that the rest of the clan had EMS. You'd think that if that was the case it would have been a secret and that only a few people in the clans history even knows of MS let alone EMS (which was stated by Itachi. Since you want to make statements facts I guess the technically proves that Madara was the only one to ever have EMS huh?)

KingD19 Shai-Gen's Enigmatic Wong

You can't use him as an example until everything about him is revealed.... There could be a perfectly logical reason that nobody thought of as why Kakshi has a Mangekyo. Maybe because he took his best friends eye, and in doing so, fulfilled the arrangement that you had to take an eye of a brother/friend to get Mangekyo. Maybe it's something like that.

But until they fully explain everything about what we're talking about, using those as points and examples is like me saying, only Sakura could be as strong as Tsunade, because only Sakura was trained by her. Until we learned that the reason they're so strong is because they release chakra at the exact moment they hit something, it could have been anything.

Omnislash Kid I did not Mordor him!

Well then that also means that Sasuke can gain EMS from Kakashi am I right? Also, the Uchiha clans details about EMS apparently has a lot of exceptions. Since this is the case why cant Sasuke get EMS from Kakashi? I mean after all Madara did state that he was another descendent from the Sage of the Six Path's just like Madara so if you're saying Madara was also an exception than that also means Sasuke is an exception like both Kakashi and Madara in which case that means he's capable of obtaining EMS through Kakashi's eyes

KingD19 Shai-Gen's Enigmatic Wong

You can't say that until it does happen, or it's fully explained.

Omnislash Kid I did not Mordor him!

Well the Uchiha clan has many loop holes in it's rules with all the exceptions it has. Also, something similar will probably happen? Why else would they mention all of this and Sasuke being a descendant of the SotSP (Sage of the Six Path's)? Also, the main idea of this thread was to predict what is going to happen. I think you're just angry because you dug your own whole and I'm pretty sure I won the argument playing by your "rules". I digress though.

KingD19 Shai-Gen's Enigmatic Wong

I'm not angry about anything, that very well may happen, but what I'm trying to get you to understand...is that you can't just make blind insinuations by putting together random facts and hoping that you're right.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by Omnislash Kid
Well the Uchiha clan has many loop holes in it's rules with all the exceptions it has. Also, something similar will probably happen? Why else would they mention all of this and Sasuke being a descendant of the SotSP (Sage of the Six Path's)? Also, the main idea of this thread was to predict what is going to happen. I think you're just angry because you dug your own whole and I'm pretty sure I won the argument playing by your "rules". I digress though.

He's not a descendant of the sage (well maybe he is but it's never stated), he's a descendant of the sage's elder disciple.

Omnislash Kid I did not Mordor him!

I was kidding about you being angry btw. Also, they weren't random facts, everything was based off of logic and the exceptions of the rules which you cant deny dont exist because Sasuke is going to be proof because of what Madara stated, Madara is proof already (or by you said anyways even thoug I still believe Madara is the only one to have EMS. Though even if I'm wrong this is the second option in which case I'm still right), and Kakashi is the 3rd proof of the exception in which case Sasuke will get EMS not only because of where the story is obviously headed but because he's stated by Madara to be the exception. So, I understood every bit of what you were saying believe it or not however, I dont believe you understood what I was saying and am currently saying since this is based of the whole argument which I believe you didn't understand based on what I was saying. Logically, that means that you dont understand any of this unless you did understand what I was saying in which case you would have to accept the fact that I am most probably correct about all of this

KingD19 Shai-Gen's Enigmatic Wong

I'm confused right now. 😕

Omnislash Kid I did not Mordor him!

haha that's ok. People tend to be confued when I speak (in this case type). Just re-read what I said and it'll become clear

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by King Kandy
He's not a descendant of the sage (well maybe he is but it's never stated), he's a descendant of the sage's elder disciple.

Son, I thought.

And, no, to get MS, not EMS, you kill your best friend or at least someone that you hold really dear to yourself.

To get EMS, you take your brother's eyes. (I'm not talking to you, KK.)

occultdestroyer The Original One

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NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, no, to get MS, not EMS, you kill your best friend or at least someone that you hold really dear to yourself.
To get EMS, you take your brother's eyes. (I'm not talking to you, KK.)

Not true, to get the MS, someone close to you has to die, and the emotion from the loss awakens it, you do not have to kill them, that was a lie from Itachi.

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not true, to get the MS, someone close to you has to die, and the emotion from the loss awakens it, you do not have to kill them, that was a lie from Itachi.

K. But, my point still stands, sans killing being an aboslute requirement.

And, no, my post is still not fully correct, either.

I failed to say that you have to take your brother's eyes AFTER both have MS. We know that Itachi was lying and wasting his time by pretending to take Sasuke's eyes. Sasuke didn't even have MS at the time.

And, since Sasuke lost his Brother, that was enough to awaken MS for him......as well as Itachi giving his bro powers. This is my opinion and it wasn't stated. However, it isn't baseless.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by dadudemon
Son, I thought.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/462/12/

It never explicitly said they were his sons (hence why I wasn't ruling it out entirely), but it doesn't deny it either. On one hand is says he "entrusted two boys with his power" making it sounds like they were just two guys he'd met and trusted, but I think the line about them being "born with ______" makes people think they're his kids. It's a gray area at this point imo.

yungz22 In shrouded judgement

Originally posted by KingD19
They will eventually explain why Kakashi has a Mangekyo, they'll also explain why his is so drastically different. They'll explain why Madara is immortal, and why he can phase, and teleport, and all that stuff, we just have to wait. Stop trying to use that as a basis for other things. The rules for the Sharingan are known.
1. Regular Sharingan varies in power from 1, to 3 dots, 3 being the most powerful.
2. Dots and designs of each Sharingan are different.
3. To get the Mangekyo, you must take someone's eyes, it's supposed to be brother, be Itachi took his best friends(who could be seen as a brother) That could've been the only exception besides Sasuke.
4. To get the Eternal Mangekyo, you must take your brother's eyes, otherwise you'll just have Mangekyo, and eventually go blind, probably losing all Sharingan related abilities in the process.
5. Sharingan eyes can be transplanted, but they will always be on, so they must be covered to conserve energy, because the drain is far larger on a non Uchiha.
I could keep going.

Actually the known way for an uchiha to get mangekyou is to kill your best freind not take someones eyes.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by yungz22
Actually the known way for an uchiha to get mangekyou is to kill your best freind not take someones eyes.

We're talking about the way to get the Eternal Mangekyo, not the regular kind.

NemeBro Senior Member

Not to mention you do not have to kill them anyway.