Uchiha Sasuke

Originally posted by King Kandy
A Hokage is not about managing and funding the village. That is a minimal part of their job. Remember, Konoha is funded by the land of fire at large, and that is run by the Daimyo. The Hokage runs the military side of things but it is the Daimyo who ultimately is responsible for the existence of the ninja village. Like when the sand Daimyo cut the sunagakure budget, the kazekage couldn't do a thing to fix the finances, all he could do was ensure his ninja were as functional as possible.

Originally posted by Omnislash Kid
I meant more in terms of paying the ninja for their missions
Also, they have to arrange on how to spend the budget
I wouldn't leave that job to anyone because I wouldn't trust a council with that. Hell, look at what they made Itachi do. I wouldn't trust them with managing the villages budget

Anyway, my point is that, the hokage is basically the "General" of the land of fire... it just happens that this comes with a city to manage, as well. But you remember, in terms of politics the hokage is not the head person, not at all.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If you aren't going to trust them with even a budget, there's not really much of a point in having a council. The 3rd had them around for a reason. And not just because they used to be his team mates. It's because they know what they're doing.

Anyway, my point is that, the hokage is basically the "General" of the land of fire... it just happens that this comes with a city to manage, as well. But you remember, in terms of politics the hokage is not the head person, not at all.

Originally posted by Omnislash Kid
Yeah I know. And I agree he is more of a figure head though I have a point with Itachi. Also, Danzo is trying to take over the village and was in it with Orochimaru. Just because they're a council doesn't mean they can be completely trusted (though I think in this case at the moment Donzo is the only corrupt on excluding the Uchiha thing in the past in which case 2 other council members were involved.)
So I really do have a point
I mean look at our world. Does our world seem scott free of any corruption? No. And since this manga has a government it reflects aspects of our worlds governments as well as the corruption. I mean if I'm wrong about any of this please tell me but I think I'm right on this one (though yes, the Hokage has almost no financial power though he/ she does have SOME as well as being the "general" of their specific land)

I am just saying, a Hokage's role is to run the village and produce soldier ninja. It is nothing like electing a president, who runs general issues. A Hokage is appointed (not elected) specifically to run the country's military. Konoha is only important so long as it produces good ninja.

Originally posted by King Kandy
In no way am I claiming that the council had nothing to do with the Uchiha massacre, in fact they were in favor of it through and through. The Hokage is not a figure head, but he was pretty much the only member of Konoha's inner circle who was against the massacre. I don't think this has to do with corruption though. Even Itachi thought the massacre was the only solution to the Uchiha crisis.

I am just saying, a Hokage's role is to run the village and produce soldier ninja. It is nothing like electing a president, who runs general issues. A Hokage is appointed (not elected) specifically to run the country's military. Konoha is only important so long as it produces good ninja.

You're actually right on that. Apparently a council of Jonin need to confirm a hokage choice. I forgot about that. Though I guess if they were really causing trouble the Daimyo could just add more people ala FDR.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You're actually right on that. Apparently a council of Jonin need to confirm a hokage choice. I forgot about that. Though I guess if they were really causing trouble the Daimyo could just add more people ala FDR.

LOL @ your supreme court reference. Well done, sir. Well done. 😄

Why would you consider Pain above Madara?

Considering nothing Pain could do would harm him...

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why would you consider Pain above Madara?

Considering nothing Pain could do would harm him...

I disagree...sort of.

Pain could capture and control Madara...with his real body, couldn't he? I assume that for anyone except Naruto, this works.

Originally posted by dadudemon
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Originally posted by NemeBro
I see what you mean, but I disagree, personally.

That may have been how it was at first, sure, but after like, what? Ten, twenty years or so, his mind was made up, his ideals were concrete. I do not think I worded my opinion on the event as well as I could have. My problem is HOW he was convinced, not that he was convinced.

He punched a hole in a table because they were wasting time with their political crap while his brother was missing...

Should I be surprised he wants to kill Danzo and the Elders? Of course not. But to butcher all of Konoha in some wangsty rampage of misguided revenge, which is only dragging everything his brother worked for through the mud? Dude naw.

Yes his mind would have been probably well made up. He defeated Naruto handily and lectured him, confident he was able to do the things he could not only because of his ability but because of his ideology. So when Naruto slapping his around as Kyuubi, then suppressed it on willpower alone. Then afterward defeated Deva path as himself despite all the damage the Kyuubi would have done to him. After that happening, one would naturally question how a 15 year old could possess such power. Pain beat Hanzo for pete's sake. The guy who slapped around Orochimaru, Jiraiya and Tsunade's as well as judging from the bodies a whole bunch of other ninja.

Just like Gaara, he wanted to know how a person could be so strong and fight so hard. The rest is just stuff i've already explained. He was critically damaged anyway, and at Naruto's mercy. The fact Naruto refused to kill him, even after killing many of his comrades, destroying his home etc. Well it's a powerful thing to see from someone so strong as what Naruto would have seemed to be. Well is i guess.

He also had a paddy when the Hokage was chosen to be the grand commander. He may possess physical power unlike other Ninja, but his head isn't exactly working as it could be.

I think he's going after those 3, and if people get in his way then.... well who knows what he's thinking. We'll just have to wait and see

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree...sort of.

Pain could capture and control Madara...with his real body, couldn't he? I assume that for anyone except Naruto, this works.

I would put Pain on top of Madara just because, Madara may be invulnerable but he hasn't really done a whole lot to anyone else either. This isn't necessarily "who could beat who" but who would do better against a wide variety of opponents.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He has to get one of those chakra rods into him first, and Madara can just phase through those. So yeah it would work but he could never actually execute it.

I would put Pain on top of Madara just because, Madara may be invulnerable but he hasn't really done a whole lot to anyone else either. This isn't necessarily "who could beat who" but who would do better against a wide variety of opponents.

Originally posted by Omnislash Kid
I believe Pain would own Madara. Even if Madara uses that jutsu where things just phase through him he also wouldn't be able to attack. Pain has six different bodies and one of those can heal, and the others specialize in ninjutsu. The sharingans offensive jutsu are used to target one person and since Pain has six bodies as well as being able to absord ninjutsu (not sure if that would work on amaterasu or not though but if it didn't he can still be revived). If Madara is capable of keeping up with Pain, Pain could just use kuchiyose gedo mazo. I dont think Madara would would technically be alive after that)

Gedo Mazo kind of makes the dead demon seal obsolete, eh? I guess that's why it takes a rare sort of person to synch with it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh yeah, that's a good point. Pain could just remove his soul w/ that technique. Madara would have to teleport away which is basically forfeiting.

Gedo Mazo kind of makes the dead demon seal obsolete, eh? I guess that's why it takes a rare sort of person to synch with it.

I'm not talking about his phasing, i'm saying he can just get the hell out of there by teleporting to hawaii when Pain activates.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm not talking about his phasing, i'm saying he can just get the hell out of there by teleporting to hawaii when Pain activates.

The thing is, he knows all of Pain's powers. So yeah I think he'd get out of there and never come back, if the two came to blows.

I dont think he knows all of his jutsu
I mean he probably knows most of them but I dont really think Pain has really shown anyone but Konan what he's truly capable of.

Originally posted by Omnislash Kid
I dont think he knows all of his jutsu
I mean he probably knows most of them but I dont really think Pain has really shown anyone but Konan what he's truly capable of.

I doubt Nagato himself knew what he was truly capable of. One with the Rinnegan should have unlimited potential.

Originally posted by King Kandy
OK, maybe not. But he does no about Gedo Mazo, as he has mentioned it many times. That's the only technique that could hurt him, anyway.

I doubt Nagato himself knew what he was truly capable of. One with the Rinnegan should have unlimited potential.