Jaden Korr vs Darth Malak

On par with Kyle? Where did you get this nonsense from? Oh, you must be referring to the dark side ending which is non canon.

Is it? Just because something is canonally the preferred way of an event taking place doesn't mean that nothing applies if it happened the other way (if that makes sense). Basically, Jaden showed that he was capable of beating Katarn, even if he might not have. Plus I seem to recall Tavion pimpslapping Kyle around, before Jaden pwned her ass.

Jaden has never faced anyone on the level of Malak,

Your not going to say 'Malak was a Sith Lawd so was obvioubly teh Uberz' are you?

while Malak was powerful enough to face Bastila while Revan was in a stasis field.

No he wasn't, he was 'strong' enough to stasis a very weak, inexperienced Revan, run towards Bastila and the we see Revan unstasis'ed talking to Carth. Plus that wasn't a cut scene, so the stasis that he used, used a timer for how long it lasted, which we know from ROT isn't how stasis works, so we have no idea how long he actually held it on for.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Is it? Just because something is canonally the preferred way of an event taking place doesn't mean that nothing applies if it happened the other way (if that makes sense). Basically, Jaden showed that he was capable of beating Katarn, even if he might not have. Plus I seem to recall Tavion pimpslapping Kyle around, before Jaden pwned her ass.

Your not going to say 'Malak was a Sith Lawd so was obvioubly teh Uberz' are you?

No he wasn't, he was 'strong' enough to stasis a very weak, inexperienced Revan, run towards Bastila and the we see Revan unstasis'ed talking to Carth. Plus that wasn't a cut scene, so the stasis that he used, used a timer for how long it lasted, which we know from ROT isn't how stasis works, so we have no idea how long he actually held it on for. [/B]

I really don't think you understand how canon works. If it's n-canon, it doesn't happen, nor is there ANY reason to think that it should.

Maybe it's you who doesn't know how canon works. Until someone actually says 'Jaden Korr was lightsided and fought Ragnos, not Kyle Katarn', (which I don't think has happened yet) then there is the possibility that Jaden was darksided (I know he's later referred to as a Jedi Knight but he could easily have been brought back by Kyle) and beat Kyle. Cannonally Jaden was lightside, not definately, just like Revan was canonally lightside, not definately.

And Tavion pimpslapped Kyle around when Kyle came to Jaden's rescue, and while Rosh was lying there.

How do those things factor in at all? From what I remember, she first attacks him from behind (meaning she'd have to overwhelm his forsight), then he tries to stand up and fight her, at which point she pimpslap's him back down. Note that he has enough energy to hold up a ceiling afterards so he obviously wasn't too weak to fight back, she just overpowered him.

Hardly meaningful especially when according to canon, Kyle made Tavion his ***** the first time.

Yeah and she couldn't possibly have gotten stronger since then. 🙄

Don't need to. His force knowledge and mastery exceed anything Jaden has done to the point where no further debate is necessary.

What force knowledge and mastery. Malak was a glorified brute, he's never shown evidence of high force knowledge beyond basic, common attacks. Jaden on the other hand beat Ragnos, who was known to have those two things.

Prove Revan was very weak and inexperienced.. And yes, when Revan was in stasis, it was a cut scene. You don't have an argument, move on.

Well for starters Revan was pretty obviously weak considering she'd just been tortured till she passed out, had to fight her way to the bridge and then to Malak, I'd hardly say she was at her peak at that point. And I can't prove a negative, its up to you to prove Revan had any training at all at that point beyond sparring with Bastila and basic telekinesis.

And maybe I misspoke, what I meant was that it was a cut scene based on game mechanics, where force attacks like stasis etc have preset times. I know becuase frequently I've had shields etc set up and the timer still goes through the scenes, wearing off in the middle. I've actually done that bit and had stasis wear off half way through while I was in the toilet, so no, he didn't 'fight' Bastila while stasising revan at all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And I can't prove a negative

If that's the case, you can't prove this sentence is true.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Maybe it's you who doesn't know how canon works. Until someone actually says 'Jaden Korr was lightsided and fought Ragnos, not Kyle Katarn', (which I don't think has happened yet) then there is the possibility that Jaden was darksided (I know he's later referred to as a Jedi Knight but he could easily have been brought back by Kyle) and beat Kyle. Cannonally Jaden was lightside, not definately, just like Revan was canonally lightside, not definately.

How do those things factor in at all? From what I remember, she first attacks him from behind (meaning she'd have to overwhelm his forsight), then he tries to stand up and fight her, at which point she pimpslap's him back down. Note that he has enough energy to hold up a ceiling afterards so he obviously wasn't too weak to fight back, she just overpowered him.

Yeah and she couldn't possibly have gotten stronger since then. 🙄

What force knowledge and mastery. Malak was a glorified brute, he's never shown evidence of high force knowledge beyond basic, common attacks. Jaden on the other hand beat Ragnos, who was known to have those two things.

Well for starters Revan was pretty obviously weak considering she'd just been tortured till she passed out, had to fight her way to the bridge and then to Malak, I'd hardly say she was at her peak at that point. And I can't prove a negative, its up to you to prove Revan had any training at all at that point beyond sparring with Bastila and basic telekinesis.

And maybe I misspoke, what I meant was that it was a cut scene based on game mechanics, where force attacks like stasis etc have preset times. I know becuase frequently I've had shields etc set up and the timer still goes through the scenes, wearing off in the middle. I've actually done that bit and had stasis wear off half way through while I was in the toilet, so no, he didn't 'fight' Bastila while stasising revan at all. [/B]

Yea, you're done. Move along.

Originally posted by Advent
If that's the case, you can't prove this sentence is true.

Indeed, if that were the case, Ragnos' scepter is still out there somewhere in the galaxy. He destroys it in the light side version. However, in the dark side ending, Jaden takes it with him after he uses it (not his own power) to beat Kyle, as I recall.

Originally posted by Advent
Indeed, if that were the case, Ragnos' scepter is still out there somewhere in the galaxy. He destroys it in the light side version. However, in the dark side ending, Jaden takes it with him after he uses it (not his own power) to beat Kyle, as I recall.

Yup.. But according to Exodus, nothing is definite. If that's the case, then we can start using DS vs. LS characters in our debates!

Are you braindead?

* drools on keyboard and starts to eat own vomit*

So they were light sided but not definitely? What the hell are you babbling about? GL has stated that the LS ending is the canonical one,

I'll want a quote on that becuase I'm pretty sure you just pulled that out of your ass.

You can play semantics all you like but your posts are getting dumber by the hour.

Considering both of my posts were done within the hour....

Once again. Malak. Knowledge of the force/dark side that easily surpasses Jaden. Jaden's saber feats don't say much about him considering who he fought. You lose.

What, you mean like Rosh Penin, the guy who was trained by Kyle Katarn, who would go on to be Battlemaster of the NJO? Or Tavion, who was trained by someone who stalemated Luke Skywalker? Or Marko Ragnos, undisputed leader of the Ancient Sith. Well hot dang! Those feats really do pale in comparison to Malak's lightsaber victories over............................................................................................................................................................................................................................... errr.... *mumbles*............. *trails off*

Jacen defeated the spirit of ragnos who put himself into an average force user's body.

And yet Marko Ragnos was a being of immense experience, force knowledge and mastery, and I would hardly call the person who ragdolled Kyle Katarn merely average.

Malak learned under Revan which meant he learned from Korriban and Malachor V.

No it doesn't. There is absolutely nothing that can prove Revan taught Malak didly scwat. In fact, considering the evidence that the two clearly grew to loath each other, as well as Revan's documented views on the importance of not allowing an apprentice to be in a position to overcome his master, I thinks its unlikely that Revan actually did, especially considering they were fighting a freakin' galactic war at the time, which would hardly leave teaching time.

Heck by that logic, Bandon knew everything Revan did too, Vader knew everything Sidious did, The Exile knew everything Traya did, who passed it on the Atton, making Atton almost as knowledgable as Revan.

He was proficient in force lightning.

Everyone and my cat's proficient with Force Lightning. Hardly the stuff of legend, being able to do something everyone else can.

Considering the fact that Revan started regaining his memory about the time MAlak was talking to him

No she didn't, else why would she need to actually turn to Bastila and ask whether it was true or not, she'd remember.

and there's nothing to suggest his abilities were "basic", you have no argument here.

And there's nothing to suggest it was anything but basic either. And perhaps the fact that Revan had weeks of actual study time, in which it was said she gained as much as some do in years puts her at the level of... a youngling. 😐

Yea, you're done. Move along.

Idiot says what?

Originally posted by Nephthys
* drools on keyboard and starts to eat own vomit*

I'll want a quote on that becuase I'm pretty sure you just pulled that out of your ass.

Considering both of my posts were done within the hour....

What, you mean like Rosh Penin, the guy who was trained by Kyle Katarn, who would go on to be Battlemaster of the NJO? Or Tavion, who was trained by someone who stalemated Luke Skywalker? Or Marko Ragnos, undisputed leader of the Ancient Sith. Well hot dang! Those feats really do pale in comparison to Malak's lightsaber victories over............................................................................................................................................................................................................................... errr.... *mumbles*............. *trails off*

And yet Marko Ragnos was a being of immense experience, force knowledge and mastery, and I would hardly call the person who ragdolled Kyle Katarn merely average.

No it doesn't. There is absolutely nothing that can prove Revan taught Malak didly scwat. In fact, considering the evidence that the two clearly grew to loath each other, as well as Revan's documented views on the importance of not allowing an apprentice to be in a position to overcome his master, I thinks its unlikely that Revan actually did, especially considering they were fighting a freakin' galactic war at the time, which would hardly leave teaching time.

Heck by that logic, Bandon knew everything Revan did too, Vader knew everything Sidious did, The Exile knew everything Traya did, who passed it on the Atton, making Atton almost as knowledgable as Revan.

Everyone and my cat's proficient with Force Lightning. Hardly the stuff of legend, being able to do something everyone else can.

No she didn't, else why would she need to actually turn to Bastila and ask whether it was true or not, she'd remember.

And there's nothing to suggest it was anything but basic either. And perhaps the fact that Revan had weeks of actual study time, in which it was said she gained as much as some do in years puts her at the level of... a youngling. 😐

Idiot says what?

Yeah that's right, squirm out of facing me. Coward.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah that's right, squirm out of facing me. Coward.

There's nothing to face. Making your dumb arguments look even more ridiculous is almost automatic at this point. And I'm left speechless by your last post, hence the double facepalm. I don't want to take up Rex's bandwidth by addressing utter stupidity.

There's nothing to face. Making your dumb arguments look even more ridiculous is almost automatic at this point.

Which explains why you wrote out detailed, witty and highly intelligent answers to all my points. Y'know, rather than just pussying out.

And I'm left speechless by your last post, hence the double facepalm. I don't want to take up Rex's bandwidth by addressing utter stupidity.

Gee, your such a sensitive person.

Anyway, answer my points, or I'll be forced to flap my arms like a chicken and make clucking noises.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which explains why you wrote out detailed, witty and highly intelligent answers to all my points. Y'know, rather than just pussying out.

Anyway, answer my points, or I'll be forced to flap my arms like a chicken and make clucking noises. [/B]

I'll tell you what.. I'll answer your valid points.
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Nope, couldn't find any.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I wrote out enough to refute the nonsense that passes for your argument. To tell you the truth, not sure you could do any worse than your "he's not completely lightside" logic.. (which I didn't actually say r-tard)

I'll tell you what.. I'll answer your valid points.
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Nope, couldn't find any.

*Sigh*

Christ not too much of a flame war going on here, i've just had a brief look and my eyebrows have been singed off!

Hey, I just wanted a proper debate, but nooooooo.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hey, I just wanted a proper debate, but nooooooo.

Anybody can change.

Batman said it, so it is true.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Anybody can change.

Batman said it, so it is true.