Jaden Korr vs Darth Malak

Originally posted by Advent
Ineffectual, can you support that at all? Hint: No. Bastila Shan, who's willpower topples nigh everyone of her era, was shown to be frozen for the several minutes it takes to duel Malak and unlock the door.

Ineffectual because Malak has several seconds (more than enough time to swing a saber) yet he chooses not to, your basically calling it PIS.

Originally posted by Advent
Afterwards, at 7:57, Revan is put in a stasis until at least 8:20+. If you notice, Malak charges Bastila while Revan is still stuck in a stasis, completely vulnerable with no way of defending himself.

You're calling it PIS? Because Revan was "helpless" for a quite a while before Bastila ever shows up. You're saying Malak was operating on CIS and PIS, a weak argument. Like the people who argue Maul "would've killed Obi Wan" forgetting that it was as much a display of skill and power from Obi Wan as much as it was a momentary lapse from Maul.

Malak had a 10+ second lapse according to you, if your theory is true. Which means it's CIS or simply PIS to you, which somewhat diminishes Revan's eventual victory.

Originally posted by Advent
Malak could have very easily killed Revan, Bastila, or Carth. If it weren't for Bastila, Revan would have died. It is an extremely potent attack.

He could've? Why didn't he? This is the guy who was deathly afraid of Revan, no reason why he wouldn't have killed him in the time he had, unless he thought that force stasis wasn't going to get him anywhere. Even before Bastila shows up he has the time.

Originally posted by Advent
Yes, Carth Onasi would know. Bastila knew. Revan knew. And Malak himself knew it.

Addressed above, I don't think it even classifies as CIS, knowing Malak's fear of Revan.

Jaden

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Malak

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You have to assume a lot of things to have Malak winning e.g. force stasis actually affecting the battle. Otherwise Jaden has the superior showings of combat skill.

Jaden doesn't have superior showings in combat. He's a padawan who lacks any kind of force mastery on the level of Malak.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Jaden doesn't have superior showings in combat. He's a padawan who lacks any kind of force mastery on the level of Malak.

Originally posted by mattatom
Technically he's a Knight.

Only by the end of the game.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Only by the end of the game.

Actually Malak was already the DLOTS by the beginning of KOTOR. Not that it matters, Jaden doesn't have anything on him.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Actually Malak was already the DLOTS by the beginning of KOTOR. Not that it matters, Jaden doesn't have anything on him.

Originally posted by mattatom
Just cos your a DLOTS doesn't mean your not an apprentice under the RoT theres always a master and an apprentice since Revan was the master that delegates Malak as the apprentice DLOTS or not. I agree though Jadens gunna get "WTFPWNED in Cyberspace".

I think you misunderstand. There was no rule of two during Revan's time. Although Revan created the idea, it wasn't actually happening in his empire, I don't think. Not to mention, Malak became the new DLOTS when he betrayed Revan..

Nonetheless there were two, so it works 😉. The only other sith were dark jedi and they were around in Sidious's time and Bane's. So it works. I know he betrayed Revan but nonetheless he was still an apprentice for that period oft time before he shot at his masters ship, though he never actually killed him so wasn't Revans till technically the master?

The Rule of Two kind of existed in Revan's time. There was one master and an apprentice sans the dual Dark Lord status. There was just a f*ckload of Sithly minions under them.

Once again, by KOTOR Malak was already a DLOTS.

Malak totally takes this. Granted, information on both it limited, but they aren't total unknowns. Malak had 20 years of formal Jedi training. He was an exceptional student (not prodigy, but said to have been much above average). He then goes and fights in the war. Yeah, he took out Revan without fighting him, but Palpatine did the same thing to Plagueis; it's called being smart. Malak then is powerful enough to keep hundreds of Sith underneath him and control the SF. He is pretty legit. Nothing top tier, but still legit.

Jaden on the other hand has maybe half the experience Malak has. Jaden was stated to be above average also, but that's out of like 300 Jedi in Luke's Order as opposed to thousands in the one Malak was in. He fought some weakass Force users, but I don't consider that all to impressive. He also survived the Vong war. Big deal, but so did over a hundred other Jedi. We never see him doing anything impressive during the Vong war.

Basically, Malak wins in my book.

Seconded. And to add to that: Jaden was considered above average out of less than 100. The Order only reached the big double-0 by the time the Yuuzhan Vong invaded in 25 ABY. The Disciples of Ragnos Crisis circa 14 ABY would have yielded an even smaller pool for Jaden to be compared against.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Seconded. And to add to that: Jaden was considered above average out of less than 100. The Order only reached the big double-0 by the time the Yuuzhan Vong inavded in 25 ABY. The Disciples of Ragnos Crisis circa 14 ABY would have yielded an even smaller pool for Jaden to be compared against.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Seconded. And to add to that: Jaden was considered above average out of less than 100. The Order only reached the big double-0 by the time the Yuuzhan Vong invaded in 25 ABY. The Disciples of Ragnos Crisis circa 14 ABY would have yielded an even smaller pool for Jaden to be compared against.

Omg, Lucien made a typo! Burn him at the stake!!

Quick on the edit button though, he's the Clint Eastwood of KMC.

Fixed what now?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Fixed what now?

I claim post-tampering. I'll see you hanged burned at the stake get what's coming to you.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I claim post-tampering. I'll see you hanged burned at the stake get what's coming to you.