Kratos takes on Organization XIII

Originally posted by Phanteros
Not really beyond kratos dex

YouTube video He swings the blades much faster than sora can 30 hits fast

Just to clarify you are aware Kratos has 2 blades on a chain and is just spinning around right?

His direction is barely changing and judging by his wings it would be because his has very limited ariel control.

Sora and Riku combined blocked laser attacks coming from every direction. That would take more that just rotating with a blade held out like Kratos is doing in that video.

Originally posted by Phanteros
I recall his magic spell having 382 hits as well(lightning). Also while that attack can hurt Kratos real bad I think having a good durablity he can tank most of it and reflect back the rest the. His fleece did stop omnidirectional attacks as well.

I thought gameplace mechanics weren't allowed? So the fleece couldn't protect 360 degree radius of attacks =\

Originally posted by Phanteros
Barbarian King the second time got manhandled.

I'm not saying that, all i'm saying is that The BK can hurt him.

Originally posted by Phanteros
but yeah that is a fast twirl action but you don't need to stop all of the attacks to past that part.

As soon as Kratos swings, he can block, and Kratos would end up cutting his head off 😬

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
A god Kratos that had lost most of his power to the Colossus. Kratos can easily survive something like that. He survived being crushed by the Colossus 😐.

He can reflect them in gameplay.

Still. Not only was the Colossus' hand small, it's powers were drained (weakened), and he was clearly dying. Not to mention it was a shallow statue.

He reflected Zeus' lighting storm in gameplay =\

Small/big makes no difference here. Neither does the idea that it was 'weakened' (it was lifeless, not weakened). The hand was falling, that crushed Kratos, and he survived while he was mortal. Sure he was weakened, but he survived.

You talked about the Giant Form bolts first, not the Lightning Storm 😐. Kratos can reflect Giant Zeus' bolts with the fleece.

He was clearly dying.

No he can't. He can only reflect them if, and only if, he's in his small form.

My point was that he survived the actual crush, not whether he would live forever after the crush 😐.

I'm pretty sure he can reflect Giant Zeus' bolts. Though fine, I'll check it out soon, and reply with a definite answer.

Originally posted by iChaos
I'm not saying that, all i'm saying is that The BK can hurt him.

As soon as Kratos swings, he can block, and Kratos would end up cutting his head off 😬

Originally posted by iChaos
He was clearly dying.

No. This is moronic and I can't believe anyone would claim this. Its funny because you are the second person I recall saying such a thing.

Kratos was bleeding somewhat, bruised and limping. But still able to fight albeit exhausted and talk coherently. Sounds like the condition a fighter would be in after a good match.

How that equals 'clearly dying' I have no idea?

PS: You never at any point in God of War 2 play with God Kratos. Zeus takes your God powers and puts it into the Colossus. What you are left with is a peak Demi-God Kratos. Hence the full the health and magic bar. And that remaining power is what gets drained into the Blade by Kratos voluntarily later in the level.

It's a plot point for explaining why you have to start all over with a base Kratos with weak stats.

After that, he of course drains his own God Powers back into the Sword after he goes inside the colossus.

Any feat Kratos has at the beginning of God of War 2 when you play with him is a demi god kratos feat. Hell, he has greater durability feats than surviving the colossus hand later on in the game too. Hell even in God of War 1 Kratos jumped off a mountain into the ocean and he wasn't hurt whatsoever.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No. This is moronic and I can't believe anyone would claim this. Its funny because you are the second person I recall saying such a thing.

Kratos was bleeding somewhat, bruised and limping. But still able to fight albeit exhausted and talk coherently. Sounds like the condition a fighter would be in after a good match.

How that equals 'clearly dying' I have no idea?

PS: You never at any point in God of War 2 play with God Kratos. Zeus takes your God powers and puts it into the Colossus. What you are left with is a peak Demi-God Kratos. Hence the full the health and magic bar. And that remaining power is what gets drained into the Blade by Kratos voluntarily later in the level.

It's a plot point for explaining why you have to start all over with a base Kratos with weak stats.

After that, he of course drains his own God Powers back into the Sword after he goes inside the colossus.

Any feat Kratos has at the beginning of God of War 2 when you play with him is a demi god kratos feat. Hell, he has greater durability feats than surviving the colossus hand later on in the game too. Hell even in God of War 1 Kratos jumped off a mountain into the ocean and he wasn't hurt whatsoever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVqzN6fEg6g

Maybe it's the puking blood, or the narrorator stating he needed the blade for his survival but, he doesn't look like he's going to be fine.

Plus it looks like has barely the strength left to raise his arms. How is that not nearly dead? A stiff breeze would finish the job =\

Puking blood? Nothing fatal there for the amount he coughed up. Survival? Of course. He's in a vulnerable state and could be killed off by another enemy. He has no prediction that he's in the clear knowing he's made enemies with the gods before hand.

No need for the 'looks like he could barely lift his arms'. He lifted his arms just fine while gesturing and talking to Zeus. And even pushing down the blade while Zeus held it. And he talked with almost as much timber and clarity in his voice as he ever had. The injuries weren't close to fatal if he's upright and talking normally.

Now, actually FIGHTING on the other hand. Was a difficult task. Seeing as he could barely put any force into his swings. You know what that is? Exhaustion.

How is that not 'nearly dead'? Because its obviously not... Nearly dead would lying on the ground, losing consciousness rapidly.

You can't be 'nearly dead' one moment and then not die immediately when another being of greater strength rams a sword through you. Kratos was only 'nearly dead' when he cursed Zeus with his dying breath as he bled profusely. Then he died. 😉

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No. This is moronic and I can't believe anyone would claim this. Its funny because you are the second person I recall saying such a thing.

Kratos was bleeding somewhat, bruised and limping. But still able to fight albeit exhausted and talk coherently. Sounds like the condition a fighter would be in after a good match.

How that equals 'clearly dying' I have no idea?

PS: You never at any point in God of War 2 play with God Kratos. Zeus takes your God powers and puts it into the Colossus. What you are left with is a peak Demi-God Kratos. Hence the full the health and magic bar. And that remaining power is what gets drained into the Blade by Kratos voluntarily later in the level.

It's a plot point for explaining why you have to start all over with a base Kratos with weak stats.

After that, he of course drains his own God Powers back into the Sword after he goes inside the colossus.

Any feat Kratos has at the beginning of God of War 2 when you play with him is a demi god kratos feat. Hell, he has greater durability feats than surviving the colossus hand later on in the game too. Hell even in God of War 1 Kratos jumped off a mountain into the ocean and he wasn't hurt whatsoever.

Kratos was much worse off than what you put him out to be. However, he wasn't dying as iChaos said.

The Kratos we play with at the beginning isn't demi-god Kratos, and he isn't the God of War either. The main reason being his Blades and perhaps Poseidon's Rage. The Blades signified that he had a little bit of his godly powers left in him.

The extension of the health and magic bar is pretty much a gameplay restriction. The magic bar itself is a gameplay restriction as is the leveling of the Blades and the other weapons.

The Kratos we have from the moment he escapes Hades, is the same as the Kratos who stabs Zeus and saves the Titans, at least from a base ability standpoint. Obviously the latter Kratos has the BoO (Blade of Olympus), Spear of Destiny, Barbarian Hammer, RotT (Rage), TB (Bow), etc.

Kratos' jumping off the Aegean Cliffs at the end of GoW1 isn't a feat >__>. The gods prevented him from dying.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Puking blood? Nothing fatal there for the amount he coughed up. Survival? Of course. He's in a vulnerable state and could be killed off by another enemy. He has no prediction that he's in the clear knowing he's made enemies with the gods before hand.

No need for the 'looks like he could barely lift his arms'. He lifted his arms just fine while gesturing and talking to Zeus. And even pushing down the blade while Zeus held it. And he talked with almost as much timber and clarity in his voice as he ever had. The injuries weren't close to fatal if he's upright and talking normally.

Now, actually FIGHTING on the other hand. Was a difficult task. Seeing as he could barely put any force into his swings. You know what that is? Exhaustion.

How is that not 'nearly dead'? Because its obviously not... Nearly dead would lying on the ground, losing consciousness rapidly.

You can't be 'nearly dead' one moment and then not die immediately when another being of greater strength rams a sword through you. Kratos was only 'nearly dead' when he cursed Zeus with his dying breath as he bled profusely. Then he died. 😉

If you are puking blood the way he was after being crushed that means internal bleeding. Kratos was a goner whether you choose to believe it or not.

Even the narrator said he was going to die if he didn't get the sword. To my mind that's all there is to it =\

Originally posted by EvilAngel
If you are puking blood the way he was after being crushed that means internal bleeding. Kratos was a goner whether you choose to believe it or not.

Even the narrator said he was going to die if he didn't get the sword. To my mind that's all there is to it =\

Had he had internal bleeding, he most likely would have been puking until his death.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVqzN6fEg6g

Maybe it's the puking blood, or the narrorator stating he needed the blade for his survival but, he doesn't look like he's going to be fine.

Plus it looks like has barely the strength left to raise his arms. How is that not nearly dead? A stiff breeze would finish the job =\

Kratos was vulnerable to death, which means that it would be easy, or rather, easier, for someone or something to kill him. He had to regain his powers in order to ensure his protection/survival.

He wasn't on his way to death. Had he rested, he would have recovered. iChaos states that Kratos would have died no matter what, which is wrong.

Barely lifting his arms is a gameplay element. He puts up a weak resistance against a Zeus that was trying to stab him. A mortal (Kratos' level of strength while that weak, if not weaker) would have been impaled instantly.

A stiff breeze? You make it sound like a stiff breeze could kill Kratos faster than the King of Olympus himself.
He wasn't killed the moment Zeus stabbed him with the blade (a feat in of itself), they had quite a lengthy conversation.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Kratos was much worse off than what you put him out to be. However, he wasn't dying as iChaos said.

The Kratos we play with at the beginning isn't demi-god Kratos, and he isn't the God of War either. The main reason being his Blades and perhaps Poseidon's Rage. The Blades signified that he had a little bit of his godly powers left in him.

The extension of the health and magic bar is pretty much a gameplay restriction. The magic bar itself is a gameplay restriction as is the leveling of the Blades and the other weapons.

The Kratos we have from the moment he escapes Hades, is the same as the Kratos who stabs Zeus and saves the Titans, at least from a base ability standpoint. Obviously the latter Kratos has the BoO (Blade of Olympus), Spear of Destiny, Barbarian Hammer, RotT (Rage), TB (Bow), etc.

Kratos' jumping off the Aegean Cliffs at the end of GoW1 isn't a feat >__>. The gods prevented him from dying.

-He was in the condition of coming off of major injuries from a fight but nowhere near fatal. That's what I said, thats what it was.

-Except it is a Demi-God Kratos. It's a peak Demi-God Kratos. His stats are full and his blades are maxed out. That's a peak Demi-God Kratos.

-And no, I explained the health and magic bar to you just now. They are not simply a gameplay restriction when canonically you see green orbs representing his health drain into the blade as well as blue orbs representing his magic drain into the blade.

The blades being at full power is in no way a 'signification' of still having godly powers in him. (I don't know where the hell you pulled that out of.) That's an indication that the blade is fully upgraded due to the red orbs...which I forgot to add are also canonically drained into the blade along with the green and blue orbs.

Thus with those three orb upgrades being drained from him we go from a full power Demi-God to base level Demi-God.

-Kratos is not the same even in base abilities from one point in the game to the end either by feats or by mechanics. And seeing as the upgrades you get through the game are regarded as canon to what Kratos comes across and uses in his journey anyway (via the draining cutscene), what I said there was redundant.

And here's an example of Kratos' abilities improving as the games go on. Early in God of War 2 he could not lift the hand of Typhon. Later he keeps Atlas' fingers from crushing him. Granted its not his full hand but Atlas is the biggest and strongest of the titans by far. Seeing as he holds the World perpetually.

-Oh Jesus...The gods saved him from DROWNING. He jumped off the tallest mountain in Greece. Hit the water at a speed that would turn normal men into chum and he was completely fine.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Had he had internal bleeding, he most likely would have been puking until his death.

Kratos was vulnerable to death, which means that it would be easy, or rather, easier, for someone or something to kill him. He had to regain his powers in order to ensure his protection/survival.

He wasn't on his way to death. Had he rested, he would have recovered. iChaos states that Kratos would have died no matter what, which is wrong.

Barely lifting his arms is a gameplay element. He puts up a weak resistance against a Zeus that was trying to stab him. A mortal (Kratos' level of strength while that weak, if not weaker) would have been impaled instantly.

A stiff breeze? You make it sound like a stiff breeze could kill Kratos faster than the King of Olympus himself.
He wasn't killed the moment Zeus stabbed him with the blade (a feat in of itself), they had quite a lengthy conversation.

Last i check mortals such as ourselves don't walk the way he does. We can swing weapons with force as opposed to them almost falling instead of swinging.

Look at the video =\

That was an exaggeration to be clear, but it's meant to emphasis he is close to death. I can't see how you can deny that.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
If you are puking blood the way he was after being crushed that means internal bleeding. Kratos was a goner whether you choose to believe it or not.

Even the narrator said he was going to die if he didn't get the sword. To my mind that's all there is to it =\

Except he's not bleeding internally. He coughed up blood once, which is certainly not a good thing but definitely not an indication of death. Happens in fights often. As long as he's not vomiting bood constantly he's fine.

Except the narrator did not say that shit. She said his survival depended on it. Not that he would flop dead moments later without it.
And indeed he didn't. Seeing as he only died after a being of Zeus' level outright killed him with the most powerful weapon in the GoW universe, albeit he still died with some resistance and mocked Zeus before succumbing.

I've explained it as thoroughly as can be. If you choose to believe your course still, then I have nothing more to say. It's a foolish belief.

Dude, he was not far from death, come on. 😬

He could walk. He could talk -clearly. He could stand up straight. He could fight barely. He was not bleeding fatally. He could even shrug off Zeus' impalement for a few moments.

He was injured. Not close to death.

Extremely vulnerable to being killed? Of course. Zeus showed us that splendidly.

Kratos could barely walk, and could not even jump. 😬

He was bleeding internally.

He was not far from death.

people live with internal bleed as well today and they aren't that much near death.