Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I was thinking more along the lines of leaving the Blade alone and just G(etting)TFO of there.
On a side note, I theorize that mortals cannot wield the weapon.Perhaps. I still believe that he was wounded heavily, but that he could have recovered, given time.
If that's true what the narrator said doesn't make sense.
So i'm skeptical.
Phoenix. I'll respond to your post tomorrow sometime. As a foreshadowing, Kratos at the beginning of Gow2 doesn't have any level of strength or durability that he hasn't demonstrated before or after. More on that later.
iChaos. You are completely and utterly lost regarding this discussion/debate and I won't bother with you.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I would suggest you finish school before you mouth off what's close to death and what isn't but you know, that'd just be rude.You mean when he momentary held the blade then Zeus just wrecked him with it in the next second? you call that shrugging it off? you don't have a clue do you?
Okay, let's make this clear. I think he's close to death you don't.
He's limping severly.
His attacks are drooping slightly and are slow as hell.
He appears to be unable to walk standing up straight.
The narrator says he is vunerable to the arms of death and he needs the sword for his survival. Note, Zeus isn't in the scene at which time, so it's more unlikely than likely that those words are said in reference to him.
I have 4 pieces of evidence that suggest he his critcally injured. You have your opinion.
kthxbye.
-Yeah. Here comes the hissy fits of grade school insult trading when you cant' debate your point. I'm working on my bachelors at Georgia Tech currently. So thanks for the motivational words. lol
-Moron. The clueless is yourself. You are going back to semantics. I said 'shrugged off' to be sure but you interpreted wrong. It was too light a word to use and thus I clarified with 'fought off'.
Sorry that was so confusing for you. Please feel free to continue to hound the single usage of one word that has been clarified to you thoroughly, it only makes you look worse for having nothing better to pursue in the debate.
-Yes. Do lets. Make this clear that is. He's not close to death, shows no signs that he's close to death. And you choose to believe this because its convenient for your argument.
He's limping pretty badly. Sure. No worse than Randy Couture was limping after Pedro Rizzo kicked the shit out of his legs. Sign of death? lol. no.
His attacks are slow yet he's 'close to death' and can stand up right let alone attack at all? Sounds like he's exhausted/injured. Sign of death? lol. no.
Can't walk upright. Addressed above.
Yes. Let us go back to your stretched interpretation of Gaia's words that go beyond logic.
Oh. Zeus is not on the scene when she makes the comment about Kratos needing it for survival? Do you forget that Gaia's the omniscient narrator? I.E. She KNOWS what's going to happen because she's the one who's been telling the story the whole time?
The dangers Kratos faced for his survival that Gaia spoke of materialized right in front of him in the form of Zeus. That's what she was talking about.
You have several pieces of info that only fall to my side of the argument; i.e. that he's seriously injured. Whereas you argue that he's fatally injured yet nothing supports this.
You only attempt to interpret (rather STRETCH) the narrator's words to your favor when you forget that the narrator is omniscient is foreshadowing the dangers posed particularly by Zeus while Kratos' is in this vulnerable form.
She said he was 'bloodied and beaten'. Simple as. That's not near death. That's injured. But injured enough to leave him 'vulnerable' (the other word she used) to attack-that she knew was coming-that would leave him in ' death's arms'
Is Kratos bleeding fatally? Not even close.
Is Kratos immobile and lying on his back for this supposed 'near death'? No.
Is Kratos losing consciousness? Not even CLOSE.
When Zeus appears on the scene, Kratos utters his first word to Zeus rather weakly and unsteadily. "you...?"
He's not standing erect at this point yet.
Oh look at that...as the conversation goes on Kratos soon rights himself up standing erect and is soon talking at a normal pace. Looks like he's slowly recovering? Amazing! What Deadpool like recovery for a man who's near death!
Zeus comes to make Kratos grovel? Isn't Kratos supposed to be near death? Why is he so worried about Kratos' loyalty there? Probably because he plans to finish off Kratos if he doesn't comply? But surely Kratos is near death and no threat anyway because he's going to die?
If that were so, why then does Kratos only die (and not without a struggle) because Zeus stabs him with the BoO? And why then did Kratos have enough strength to talk before he died? Maybe he was just 'nearer-near death'?
Seriously. Give me a ****ing break. lol. You have absolutely NOTHING for your side of the argument so long as you are willing to allow passage of logic.
He's not fatally injured in anyway. He's not losing consciousness, He's recovering from the trauma during the same scene. He's able to talk coherently.
He'll live.
kthxbai
Originally posted by Nemebro
It might have something to do with me not being an idiot.It stabbed through him, nothing special about that, if someone other than Zeus were able to stab through Kratos, then the same would happen.
He was coughing up blood and could barely move. Show me an example of someone with internal bleeding not being near death. Kthxbai.
Nemebro. But you do happen to be an idiot, especially in this context, as your argument is completely wrong.
He would have died from the stabbing regardless of if he was in full health or not. That much is understood. But for Kratos to be 'near death' prior to the fact, and not die immediately after the impalement is ludicrous. And a stabbing from a being of Zeus strength is going to cause more trauma with the initial impalement than someone of lesser strength doing the same.
Not near death. Final. I already went over why in the above post.
You can go make more witty posts about your sodomy practices in the off topic thread now. Your presence is no longer required.
kthnxbai
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Your presence is no longer required.kthnxbai
you said it yourself. Goodbye Cosmic, don't come back in a hurry =)
Kratos dies at 8. Axel could just burn him in the inferno's he can make and in the flames attack him since he wouldn't be being burnt alive and his attack are ranged.
case dismissed until you have a Kratos is unburnable feat.
Originally posted by EvilAngelSimple He stops it with the fleece like he did with Peshone.
you said it yourself. Goodbye Cosmic, don't come back in a hurry =)Kratos dies at 8. Axel could just burn him in the inferno's he can make and in the flames attack him since he wouldn't be being burnt alive and his attack are ranged.
case dismissed until you have a Kratos is unburnable feat.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Simple He stops it with the fleece like he did with Peshone.
I can't find this video. If he can put out a fire like http://gennady619.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/axel.jpg With the ground melting then it's debatable.
After that he has to fight a guy who flies around attacking with multiple spears(which he controls using his wind control), and shielding himself using a rotating wind barrier. While firing blasts from a distance.
Should he survive that he fights Xigbar. The guy who controls space, he has feats of wiping out dozens of heartless and nobodies each in one shot while he wasn't even present.
After that he has to beat Roxas, who has displayed greater strength, speed and skill with the Keyblades than Sora.
That will do for now. I can't see how you can argue he makes it that far, never mind even further.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Simple He stops it with the fleece like he did with Peshone.
He didn't have the Fleece when he fought Persephone. And no, Kratos can't reflect fire. IbG3dU0GMp0&feature=related
Originally posted by CosmicComet
iChaos. You are completely and utterly lost regarding this discussion/debate and I won't bother with you.
Lol, you're welcome.
Originally posted by EvilAngelThe ground wasn't melting. Xigbar Controling space? Ares made a pocket dimension which he revived Kratos's wife and child and had him fight doppelgangers of him. Before that he popped the heads of all the barbarian army and soloed a city.
I can't find this video. If he can put out a fire like http://gennady619.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/axel.jpg With the ground melting then it's debatable.After that he has to fight a guy who flies around attacking with multiple spears(which he controls using his wind control), and shielding himself using a rotating wind barrier. While firing blasts from a distance.
Should he survive that he fights Xigbar. The guy who controls space, he has feats of wiping out dozens of heartless and nobodies each in one shot while he wasn't even present.
After that he has to beat Roxas, who has displayed greater strength, speed and skill with the Keyblades than Sora.
That will do for now. I can't see how you can argue he makes it that far, never mind even further.
Originally posted by Phanteros
The ground wasn't melting. Xigbar Controling space? Ares made a pocket dimension which he revived Kratos's wife and child and had him fight doppelgangers of him. Before that he popped the heads of all the barbarian army and soloed a city.
Not in that picture. If you looked up the boss fight however you'd realise otherwise.
Great, a feat that is pointless and irrelevent =\
Originally posted by Phanteros
How is it irrelevant you said he controlled space so I made a similar feat of an enemy Kratos fought greater than his.
Doesn't sound relevent.
Xigbar can shoot and his bullseye's without being present using his control of space to do so.
How is that feat related?
What could kratos could possibly do against that?
No, i mean, the Hit and hit and hit and hit and hit while not even being present, and hit and hit and hit and hit. All from differect directions by the way. Hell why not simultaneously too? You realise Xigbar can keep this up forever.
And before you say it, the fleece doesn't bover 360 degree protection, that's a gameplay mechanic.
Originally posted by EvilAngelHe sure didn't seem to fight like that in the game as he was present will doing it.
No, i mean, the Hit and hit and hit and hit and hit while not even being present, and hit and hit and hit and hit. All from differect directions by the way. Hell why not simultaneously too? You realise Xigbar can keep this up forever.And before you say it, the fleece doesn't bover 360 degree protection, that's a gameplay mechanic.
