Originally posted by CosmicComet
He could walk. He could talk -clearly. He could stand up straight. He could fight barely. He was not bleeding fatally. He could even shrug off Zeus' impalement for a few moments.He was injured. Not close to death.
Extremely vulnerable to being killed? Of course. Zeus showed us that splendidly.
He stood up straight only when Zeus held a blade against his throat, i'm pretty sure that doesn't count. The guy was walking like a 100 year old without his cane. That's close to death.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXLvvRlPips
Yeah, "shrugging it off".... at which point? Looks like he's in writhing agony to me.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
He stood up straight only when Zeus held a blade against his throat, i'm pretty sure that doesn't count. The guy was walking like a 100 year old without his cane. That's close to death.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXLvvRlPips
Yeah, "shrugging it off".... at which point? Looks like he's in writhing agony to me.
Except he was already standing up straight before Zeus even put the sword to his throat. Zeus' gesture there only made Kratos lean back after this. I would suggest you actually watch the videos you yourself post.
My goodness. Yes. Lets talk semantics then shall we even when my point was clear anyway? Since you have no other way to debate the point? He fought off the impalement for a moment. Better?
I certainly didn't mean to make it sound 'easy'.
And that video is not even what I'm talking about. I'm talkin about when he grabbed the blade as Zeus was trying to stab him.
I don't see why NemeBro of all people would subscribe to this newly formed (to me anyway) speculation of near death.
That would only be making Zeus and the BoO look rather unimpressive, not outright killing a 'near dead' Kratos. 😆
Seriously, Kratos' condition was akin to a bloodied, injured, exhausted fighter after a grueling fight. Nothing more.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
-He was in the condition of coming off of major injuries from a fight but nowhere near fatal. That's what I said, thats what it was.-Except it is a Demi-God Kratos. It's a peak Demi-God Kratos. His stats are full and his blades are maxed out. That's a peak Demi-God Kratos.
-And no, I explained the health and magic bar to you just now. They are not simply a gameplay restriction when canonically you see green orbs representing his health drain into the blade as well as blue orbs representing his magic drain into the blade.
The blades being at full power is in no way a 'signification' of still having godly powers in him. (I don't know where the hell you pulled that out of.) That's an indication that the blade is fully upgraded due to the red orbs...which I forgot to add are also canonically drained into the blade along with the green and blue orbs.
Thus with those three orb upgrades being drained from him we go from a full power Demi-God to base level Demi-God.
-Kratos is not the same even in base abilities from one point in the game to the end either by feats or by mechanics. And seeing as the upgrades you get through the game are regarded as canon to what Kratos comes across and uses in his journey anyway (via the draining cutscene), what I said there was redundant.
And here's an example of Kratos' abilities improving as the games go on. Early in God of War 2 he could not lift the hand of Typhon. Later he keeps Atlas' fingers from crushing him. Granted its not his full hand but Atlas is the biggest and strongest of the titans by far. Seeing as he holds the World perpetually.
-Oh Jesus...The gods saved him from DROWNING. He jumped off the tallest mountain in Greece. Hit the water at a speed that would turn normal men into chum and he was completely fine.
You implied that he was in a condition people would be after a good fight. That's not the condition Kratos was in. He was somewhere in between. The injuries were not fatal, that I agree. I even brought up the point, and you defended it, I thank you for that.
So let me get this straight, because you saw Green orbs and Blue orbs flow out of Kratos, chests suddenly have the ability to heal Kratos in 'reality'? No, not only chests, but also killing certain enemies certain ways, and boss stuns as well? It is a gameplay element. As is opening chests for Gorgon eyes and Phoenix Feathers.
The Golden Blades are a signification that he still has some of his godly powers. They are, for the most part, the same 'blades' as the ones that God Kratos has. A throwback to that point would be the God of War costume. He has the Golden Blades. General Kratos is not 'proper' in this regard as he should have had the Blades of Chaos (design at least). The devs probably couldn't put that in, so they decided to give him the golden blades to give him unique blades.
The "maxed" blades he has at the end of God of War 2 are different from his blades at the start of the game. The former is fueled by his own power. The latter is fueled by his own, "divine" power.
Same goes for Poseidon's Rage. Why does he lose Poseidon's Rage if all he is losing are his maxed stats? Poseidon's Rage certainly isn't tied to maxed stats; we don't obtain PR when we max out our Blue MP bar.
If you don't believe me when I say that leveling is a gameplay element, why are the Blades in the high res cutscenes the same throughout? In the cutscene where he talks to Gaia and cuts the Hades arms, as well as the end cutscene where he talks to Gaia and rescues the Titans. Those high-res cutscenes aren't tied to gameplay.
I was talking about base abilities (strength, speed, stamina, endurance, health, etc.), not weapon powers and so on.
"Lifting" Typhon's fingers is something entirely different. How could he have lifted Typhon's fingers completely off Pegasus without proper leverage? I assume you are talking about physical strength, since Kratos does not use his blades & RotT to keep Atlas' fingers apart.
Fair enough, the gods saved him from drowning, and not the actual fall. I'll concede that point. The gods probably made him miss the rocks though 😛.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Last i check mortals such as ourselves don't walk the way he does. We can swing weapons with force as opposed to them almost falling instead of swinging.Look at the video =\
That was an exaggeration to be clear, but it's meant to emphasis he is close to death. I can't see how you can deny that.
We do when we're drunk 😛.
So, in your eyes, swinging blades on chains takes more strength than trying to resist a stab from a god?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Puking blood? Nothing fatal there for the amount he coughed up. Survival? Of course. He's in a vulnerable state and could be killed off by another enemy. He has no prediction that he's in the clear knowing he's made enemies with the gods before hand.
According to Gaia he was dying (the way she was talking) =\
Originally posted by CosmicCometIt might have something to do with me not being an idiot.
I don't see why NemeBro of all people would subscribe to this newly formed (to me anyway) speculation of near death.That would only be making Zeus and the BoO look rather unimpressive, not outright killing a 'near dead' Kratos. 😆
Seriously, Kratos' condition was akin to a bloodied, injured, exhausted fighter after a grueling fight. Nothing more.
It stabbed through him, nothing special about that, if someone other than Zeus were able to stab through Kratos, then the same would happen.
He was coughing up blood and could barely move. Show me an example of someone with internal bleeding not being near death. Kthxbai.
Originally posted by iChaos
According to Gaia he was dying (the way she was talking) =\
CosmicComet and I have already addressed this point. If not CC, I certainly have.
Vulnerable to the arms of death/depended on the blade for survival doesn't necessarily mean that he was going to die no matter what happened.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Except he was already standing up straight before Zeus even put the sword to his throat. Zeus' gesture there only made Kratos lean back after this. I would suggest you actually watch the videos you yourself post.My goodness. Yes. Lets talk semantics then shall we even when my point was clear anyway? Since you have no other way to debate the point? He fought off the impalement for a moment. Better?
I certainly didn't mean to make it sound 'easy'.
And that video is not even what I'm talking about. I'm talkin about when he grabbed the blade as Zeus was trying to stab him.
I would suggest you finish school before you mouth off what's close to death and what isn't but you know, that'd just be rude.
You mean when he momentary held the blade then Zeus just wrecked him with it in the next second? you call that shrugging it off? you don't have a clue do you?
Okay, let's make this clear. I think he's close to death you don't.
He's limping severly.
His attacks are drooping slightly and are slow as hell.
He appears to be unable to walk standing up straight.
The narrator says he is vunerable to the arms of death and he needs the sword for his survival. Note, Zeus isn't in the scene at which time, so it's more unlikely than likely that those words are said in reference to him.
I have 4 pieces of evidence that suggest he his critcally injured. You have your opinion.
kthxbye.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No. This is moronic and I can't believe anyone would claim this. Its funny because you are the second person I recall saying such a thing.Kratos was bleeding somewhat, bruised and limping. But still able to fight albeit exhausted and talk coherently. Sounds like the condition a fighter would be in after a good match.
How that equals 'clearly dying' I have no idea?
PS: You never at any point in God of War 2 play with God Kratos. Zeus takes your God powers and puts it into the Colossus. What you are left with is a peak Demi-God Kratos. Hence the full the health and magic bar. And that remaining power is what gets drained into the Blade by Kratos voluntarily later in the level.
It's a plot point for explaining why you have to start all over with a base Kratos with weak stats.
After that, he of course drains his own God Powers back into the Sword after he goes inside the colossus.
Any feat Kratos has at the beginning of God of War 2 when you play with him is a demi god kratos feat. Hell, he has greater durability feats than surviving the colossus hand later on in the game too. Hell even in God of War 1 Kratos jumped off a mountain into the ocean and he wasn't hurt whatsoever.
I love how you simply ignored that the gods saved Kratos from dying when he dived into the ocean.
Placing all of his godly powers the weapon had rendered Kratos mortal, vulnerable to the arms of death. Bloodied and
beaten, he knew that to have any hope of survival he must retreive the Blade of Olympus.
That proves he was dying and it also proves that he still had godly power inside him. Kratos wasn't able to do shit. If he wasn't dying, then he Gaia wouldn't have said, "VULNERABLE TO THE ARMS OF DEATH," and not only that, but she said, to have any hope of survival, he must retreive the The Blade of Olympus."
His death was something that I could not allow.Yeah, Kratos was dying, because Gaia wouldn't have said "his death".
As the life drained out of Kratos the arms of Hades reached out to claim their prize.
Originally posted by EvilAngelI love it when you pwn noobs so brutally. 😍
I would suggest you finish school before you mouth off what's close to death and what isn't but you know, that'd just be rude.You mean when he momentary held the blade then Zeus just wrecked him with it in the next second? you call that shrugging it off? you don't have a clue do you?
Okay, let's make this clear. I think he's close to death you don't.
He's limping severly.
His attacks are drooping slightly and are slow as hell.
He appears to be unable to walk standing up straight.
The narrator says he is vunerable to the arms of death and he needs the sword for his survival. Note, Zeus isn't in the scene at which time, so it's more unlikely than likely that those words are said in reference to him.
I have 4 pieces of evidence that suggest he his critcally injured. You have your opinion.
kthxbye.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
CosmicComet and I have already addressed this point. If not CC, I certainly have.Vulnerable to the arms of death/depended on the blade for survival doesn't necessarily mean that he was going to die no matter what happened.
If Kratos wasn't "going to die" he wouldn't have been sent to Hades in the first place.
His death was something that I could not allow.
As the life drained out of Kratos the arms of Hades reached out to claim their prize.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
There has been a misunderstanding. He was never sent to Hades after the Colossus crushed him. He was sent after Zeus killed him. I implied that he wouldn't die had Zeus not stepped onto the scene.
True, but only because no one would have taken the blade of Olympus.
Without that, it is heavily implied that Kratos was mortally wounded.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
True, but only because no one would have taken the blade of Olympus.Without that, it is heavily implied that Kratos was mortally wounded.
I was thinking more along the lines of leaving the Blade alone and just G(etting)TFO of there.
On a side note, I theorize that mortals cannot wield the weapon.
Perhaps. I still believe that he was wounded heavily, but that he could have recovered, given time.
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From a gameplay point, I suppose you guys would be right. He did have an awfully low amount of health. Though on the other hand, he didn't lose any health when he was struck by Zeus ermmha