Originally posted by EvilAngelYeah he has, although not in battle, Ares has as well. Teleportation seems standard issue for Gods in GoWverse, I think the Fates did it as well.
The shield of wind helps. And i don't recall Zeus being about to teleport. Does he?What does Kratos have against that feat wise?
Also the attacking with multiple weapons simultaneously seems to be an untouched issue 😬
Not much I can think of, my point is that saying Xaldin beats him only because he can fly and has range is stupid.
Well Ares kinda covers that lol.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah he has, although not in battle, Ares has as well. Teleportation seems standard issue for Gods in GoWverse, I think the Fates did it as well.Not much I can think of, my point is that saying Xaldin beats him only because he can fly and has range is stupid.
Well Ares kinda covers that lol.
So, again, if it was not used in battle, it seems rather unlike Xaldin, doesn't it? ;p
No, Xaldin kills him because he has 6 spears he can use to attack him at the same time, and there's bugger all Kratos can do about it. But that's not what we are discussing here ;p
Different fight.
Kratos has fought someone like Xaldin, if you split Xaldins powers up a little, but nothing like Xaldin himself. Nothing i am aware of. Which means no Kratos hasn't dealt with this "kind of" enemy before 😬
Originally posted by EvilAngelI think the Fates used it in battle, do not think Zeus did, Ares MAY have, but I am not really sure.
So, again, if it was not used in battle, it seems rather unlike Xaldin, doesn't it? ;pNo, Xaldin kills him because he has 6 spears he can use to attack him at the same time, and there's bugger all Kratos can do about it. But that's not what we are discussing here ;p
Different fight.
Kratos has fought someone like Xaldin, if you split Xaldins powers up a little, but nothing like Xaldin himself. Nothing i am aware of. Which means no Kratos hasn't dealt with this "kind of" enemy before 😬
Six spears to attack at the same time? That's cool and all...But Ares did the same thing lol. 😛 Difference being Ares is far superior to Xaldin, but Kratos was amped I admit.
To flip this around, Xaldin has never fought anyone like Kratos, and Kratos has fought beings who are on an entirely different tier of power than Xaldin is. Really, why can Kratos not just used the head of Medusa or Euryale to turn Xaldin to stone? 😬
Originally posted by NemeBro
I think the Fates used it in battle, do not think Zeus did, Ares MAY have, but I am not really sure.Six spears to attack at the same time? That's cool and all...But Ares did the same thing lol. 😛 Difference being Ares is far superior to Xaldin, but Kratos was amped I admit.
To flip this around, Xaldin has never fought anyone like Kratos, and Kratos has fought beings who are on an entirely different tier of power than Xaldin is. Really, why can Kratos not just used the head of Medusa or Euryale to turn Xaldin to stone? 😬
Like i said, if you spilt Xaldins powers up Kratos has fought enemies with similar abilities, but nothing like Xaldin himself. Which means
Spoiler:
You're Wrong, I'm Right, As usual
If memory serves Xaldin is quite abit faster than Ares. And Kratos doesn't get said amp here =\
Same reason the gold didn't curse them, Other worldly powers like that they have shown immunity to. So unless you have a reason why it would work, i don't see why it should. Especially since there are several bosses in the game who are immune to it. Also if you compare it to the one to legend, her gaze only works on mortals. Nobodies are not mortals, because they aren't anything.
Lakhesis never used teleportation.
Atropos had her mirrors, but meh, I don't consider that true teleportation.
Zeus can teleport I believe, but he does not teleport in battle. However, he did have that lightning dash where he was invincible.
Ares can teleport.
The Barbarian King had a form of teleportation, though he used a portal (like Atropos perhaps).
Charon can also teleport iirc.
Originally posted by EvilAngelI was never arguing that he has ever fought anything exactly like Xaldin, and you know that. 😛
Like i said, if you spilt Xaldins powers up Kratos has fought enemies with similar abilities, but nothing like Xaldin himself. Which meansSpoiler:
You're Wrong, I'm Right, As usual
=)If memory serves Xaldin is quite abit faster than Ares. And Kratos doesn't get said amp here =\
Same reason the gold didn't curse them, Other worldly powers like that they have shown immunity to. So unless you have a reason why it would work, i don't see why it should. Especially since there are several bosses in the game who are immune to it. Also if you compare it to the one to legend, her gaze only works on mortals. Nobodies are not mortals, because they aren't anything.
I was arguing against the only reasoning he gave was in fact something Kratos HAS dealt with, not everything about Xaldin is something he has fought.
Faster than Ares? Probably. Faster than Zeus? Nope, not unless Xaldin can fly beyond the clouds in like four seconds. Also less powerful, and nowhere near as strong.
What? The gold didn't curse him? Um...That's because he did not physically remove it lol, that big Heartless did, which made the Heartless immortal and skeletal, and made that boss fight a pain in the ass. What powers have they shown immunity towards? Also, mortality is defined as being able to die. Xaldin died. So he is mortal. 😐 They do not have a Heart, which robs them of real emotion (Although even that is arguable, with the incredible Ho Yay between Roxas and Axel, although Roxas did have real emotion), they still have a body and soul.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Lakhesis never used teleportation.Atropos had her mirrors, but meh, I don't consider that true teleportation.
Zeus can teleport I believe, but he does not teleport in battle. However, he did have that lightning dash where he was invincible.
Ares can teleport.
The Barbarian King had a form of teleportation, though he used a portal (like Atropos perhaps).
Charon can also teleport iirc.
Okay, now to be like Xaldin, they ALSO need the be able to fly, attack from a distance, use multiple weapons at the same time, use ranged spells and use a shield.
How many of those are left?
Originally posted by NemeBro
I was never arguing that he has ever fought anything exactly like Xaldin, and you know that. 😛I was arguing against the only reasoning he gave was in fact something Kratos HAS dealt with, not everything about Xaldin is something he has fought.
Faster than Ares? Probably. Faster than Zeus? Nope, not unless Xaldin can fly beyond the clouds in like four seconds. Also less powerful, and nowhere near as strong.
What? The gold didn't curse him? Um...That's because he did not physically remove it lol, that big Heartless did, which made the Heartless immortal and skeletal, and made that boss fight a pain in the ass. What powers have they shown immunity towards? Also, mortality is defined as being able to die. Xaldin died. So he is mortal. 😐 They do not have a Heart, which robs them of real emotion (Although even that is arguable, with the incredible Ho Yay between Roxas and Axel, although Roxas did have real emotion), they still have a body and soul.
Well... yes no maybeso. The point was "Kratos has fought someone like Xaldin" Which is true only very releatively. None in the games Possess Xaldins powerset, or even half, and those that share 1 maybe 2 spells fight completely differently. So i fail to see how you can make that statement. That's my point.
In a cutscene Luxord picks up several coins directly from the chest and throws them to Sora & Co who are the ones who end up getting cursed. Luxord was unaffected by this because he is a nobody.
In Kingdom hearts i believe it is implied the soul and the heart are the same. Since the nobodies are described as 'empty shells' also when Axel says they will meet in the next life, he jokes because he tells roxas he won't have a next life. Which would imply a soul. Since Roxas seems to have a heart. But no one can PROVE it either way, which is why i would avoid soul talk altogether when it comes to nobodies.
I figured that the only person with more range than Xaldin would be Xigbar since Xaldin essentially TKs his spears with the wind. If I recall he does unusually high damage compared to the other members of Organization 13, too. That may have just been me refusing to kill everything I met in those levels though.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I figured that the only person with more range than Xaldin would be Xigbar since Xaldin essentially TKs his spears with the wind. If I recall he does unusually high damage compared to the other members of Organization 13, too. That may have just been me refusing to kill everything I met in those levels though.
You're probably right, but Larxene also has good range.
Originally posted by EvilAngelThat was not my point. His point was that Kratos cannot fight someone who has both flight and incredible range, which Kratos has done, which was my point, I never once said Kratos fought anything exactly like Kratos.
Well... yes no maybeso. The point was "Kratos has fought someone like Xaldin" Which is true only very releatively. None in the games Possess Xaldins powerset, or even half, and those that share 1 maybe 2 spells fight completely differently. So i fail to see how you can make that statement. That's my point.In a cutscene Luxord picks up several coins directly from the chest and throws them to Sora & Co who are the ones who end up getting cursed. Luxord was unaffected by this because he is a nobody.
In Kingdom hearts i believe it is implied the soul and the heart are the same. Since the nobodies are described as 'empty shells' also when Axel says they will meet in the next life, he jokes because he tells roxas he won't have a next life. Which would imply a soul. Since Roxas seems to have a heart. But no one can PROVE it either way, which is why i would avoid soul talk altogether when it comes to nobodies.
Fair enough.
Yen Sid already directly stated that when someone loses their body or soul they die, but to lose a Heart is to become a Nobody. I consider Yen Sid a far more credible source of information than Axel is, he is the leading expert on the affairs of the Hearts, Heartless, and Nobodies, second only to Ansem the Wise most likely.
Originally posted by NemeBro
That was not my point. His point was that Kratos cannot fight someone who has both flight and incredible range, which Kratos has done, which was my point, I never once said Kratos fought anything exactly like Kratos.Fair enough.
Yen Sid already directly stated that when someone loses their body or soul they die, but to lose a Heart is to become a Nobody. I consider Yen Sid a far more credible source of information than Axel is, he is the leading expert on the affairs of the Hearts, Heartless, and Nobodies, second only to Ansem the Wise most likely.
No he hasn't Because the same person uses a shield of wind. Kratos hasn't dealt with something like that.
I consider what a nobody said to be more reliably infomation that someone who speculates about nobodies. Yen Sid never said anything that implied he knew allot about nobodies, only the basic infomation. Like how they are born.
Also i cannot recall Yen Sid say anything like that. I found the video and watched it back to front, can you tell me where it is?
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Okay, now to be like Xaldin, they ALSO need the be able to fly, attack from a distance, use multiple weapons at the same time, use ranged spells and use a shield.How many of those are left?
Xaldin is quite the fighter.
None would be left, perhaps Ares, though he doesn't use a shield.
~ My post was really directed towards Neme to show him who could teleport