Kratos takes on Organization XIII

Started by Sin_Volvagia13 pages
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I don't think the Golden Fleece covers all of Kratos for this, and it would need to.

You're right; that's why he he can dodge and use Typhon's Bane and Rage of the Titans. And he can steal some of those spears and penetrate his ass.

Yes, because he can definitely hit Xaldin with his own spear. It isn't like Xaldin controls the air or anything. If he could, he'd probably win the fight though.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
You're right; that's why he he can dodge and use Typhon's Bane and Rage of the Titans. And he can steal some of those spears and penetrate his ass.

Let me play!

Then Xaldin moves out of the way because his movement speed is faster than Kratos's. Makes more spears since he can, and brings them down on Kratos, impaling him into the dirt.

=)

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Let me play!

Then Xaldin moves out of the way because his movement speed is faster than Kratos's. Makes more spears since he can, and brings them down on Kratos, impaling him into the dirt.

=)

Which doesnt happen since Kratos can twirl his blades around and knock all the spears down. He then rips off Xaldin's arms and stomps on his head.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Which doesnt happen since Kratos can twirl his blades around and knock all the spears down. He then rips off Xaldin's arms and stomps on his head.

I never said Xaldin himself comes down with the spears.

Also you overestimate Kratos's movement speed ;p

Plus you're sort of ignoring the whole wind shield part.

I don't think he heard the part where Xaldin TKs his weapons with wind either.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Which doesnt happen since Kratos can twirl his blades around and knock all the spears down.

Lol.

Forgot to reply to this.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
No he hasn't Because the same person uses a shield of wind. Kratos hasn't dealt with something like that.

I consider what a nobody said to be more reliably infomation that someone who speculates about nobodies. Yen Sid never said anything that implied he knew allot about nobodies, only the basic infomation. Like how they are born.

Also i cannot recall Yen Sid say anything like that. I found the video and watched it back to front, can you tell me where it is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81iRRMm3Fos

You're not listening.

I am not saying Kratos has dealt with someone like Xaldin.

I repeat. I am not saying Kratos has dealt with someone like Xaldin.

His only justification for giving Xaldin the win was that he could fly and had range, which Kratos has dealt with countless times.

I am not saying Kratos has dealt with someone like Xaldin.

But his wind shield, which is really just Aero, is overrated. Sora destroys it with a jump attack. Kratos can destroy it as well.

Sorry, got my source wrong, it was actually from the Secret Ansem Report #4.

"Three elements combine to create a life: a heart, a soul, and a body.
But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?
When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?
A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness. "

The Heart alone disappears into the Darkness, and this is from Ansem the Wise, who is a far more credible source than Axel is.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Sorry, got my source wrong, it was actually from the Secret Ansem Report #4.

"Three elements combine to create a life: a heart, a soul, and a body.
But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?
When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?
A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness. "

The Heart alone disappears into the Darkness, and this is from Ansem the Wise, who is a far more credible source than Axel is.

Again this is just speculation. He never experiemented on Nobodies like he did heartless. Plus there's pretty much proof the opposite is true.

Sora turning into a heartless in KH 1. If what that is saying is true, then the Heartless aren't truly alive. Yet how could you explain what Sora did in KH1 If what you're saying is infallible truth?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Again this is just speculation. He never experiemented on Nobodies like he did heartless. Plus there's pretty much proof the opposite is true.

Sora turning into a heartless in KH 1. If what that is saying is true, then the Heartless aren't truly alive. Yet how could you explain what Sora did in KH1 If what you're saying is infallible truth?

Ansem is the leading authority on...Well everything in KHverse, the Ansem Reports are meant to elaborate on facts in the games, and by this point Ansem had already pretty much fallen into Darkness, he knows more of the Heart than nearly anyone.

I am not sure of your point to be honest.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ansem is the leading authority on...Well everything in KHverse, the Ansem Reports are meant to elaborate on facts in the games, and by this point Ansem had already pretty much fallen into Darkness, he knows more of the Heart than nearly anyone.

I am not sure of your point to be honest.

reread your post then mind. I think it makes sense tbh

What about Sora turning into a Heartless contradicts anything?

That was an extremely unique occurrence.

But that doesn't matter that it is unique. It disproves that theory.

Look, We have the body, the soul and the heart.

Ansems theory lies in that when the soul leaves, the body dies. Yet when Sora became a heartless he retained conciousness. Thus sort of disproving that theory, as it suggests the heart cannot 'live' on it's own, it requires the soul. Simply put this proves when someone becomes a heartless the soul goes with the heart, not the body.

These reports are merely Ansems speculation on his experiements and travels, they are not FACTS per say. But yes they are very credible in most cases. It just so happens this one is not one of those

Originally posted by EvilAngel
But that doesn't matter that it is unique. It disproves that theory.

Look, We have the body, the soul and the heart.

Ansems theory lies in that when the soul leaves, the body dies. Yet when Sora became a heartless he retained conciousness. Thus sort of disproving that theory, as it suggests the heart cannot 'live' on it's own, it requires the soul. Simply put this proves when someone becomes a heartless the soul goes with the heart, not the body.

These reports are merely Ansems speculation on his experiements and travels, they are not FACTS per say. But yes they are very credible in most cases. It just so happens this one is not one of those

Sora was brought back for one reason and one reason only, Kairi is a Princess of Heart, possessing no Darkness within her own.

This event created three Nobodies, Roxas, Namine, and Xion, something that has never happened before, these Nobodies are also unique in that they all possess genuine emotions (Except maybe Xion, since I have not played the new KH).

There are so many unique factors with Sora becoming a Heartless that it cannot be considered to be the standard.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Sora was brought back for one reason and one reason only, Kairi is a Princess of Heart, possessing no Darkness within her own.

This event created three Nobodies, Roxas, Namine, and Xion, something that has never happened before, these Nobodies are also unique in that they all possess genuine emotions (Except maybe Xion, since I have not played the new KH).

There are so many unique factors with Sora becoming a Heartless that it cannot be considered to be the standard.

But Sora retained will while being a heartless, provened sicne you play as him as a heartless. 😬

Originally posted by EvilAngel
But Sora retained will while being a heartless, provened sicne you play as him as a heartless. 😬
Which no one else in the series has accomplished. Heartless are not like Nobodies, they act on pure instinct, Sora was an exception, like everything else.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Which no one else in the series has accomplished. Heartless are not like Nobodies, they act on pure instinct, Sora was an exception, like everything else.

Wrong.

It is specifically stated Sora has not been the first to maintain control after being a heartless.

The first was Ansem, Xehnort's heartless.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Wrong.

It is specifically stated Sora has not been the first to maintain control after being a heartless.

The first was Ansem, Xehnort's heartless.

Okay.

There are two unique examples.

Yet Xemnas mantains his own free will as well.

But it is explicitly stated that Heartless in general act purely on instinct.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Okay.

There are two unique examples.

Yet Xemnas mantains his own free will as well.

But it is explicitly stated that Heartless in general act purely on instinct.

Unique means the only ONE dumbass ;p

It is proven that those with strong enough hearts can maintain free will and with it conciousness after becoming a heartless. Meaning the soul and the heart are connected more strongly than the soul and the body.

Which in turn means, Nobodies have no souls.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Unique means the only ONE dumbass ;p

It is proven that those with strong enough hearts can maintain free will and with it conciousness after becoming a heartless. Meaning the soul and the heart are connected more strongly than the soul and the body.

Which in turn means, Nobodies have no souls.

And...Having free will automatically equates to having a soul? I suppose you can prove that? Since, you know, the Heart actually DOES contain your personality and emotions.

Nah.