One crazy norwegian's interpretation: The "attacks" used to defeat Mandrakk in the end of FC 7 doesn't really matter match. He was not defeated by the Green Lanterns' creating a giant stake. That would put him around any herald guy's level.
Superman's story was better. The concept of Superman was superior. This was almost revealed to be Mandrakk's weakness by the female monitor. A boy born on Krypton, sent to earth. A better story, backed by the comic book readers' desire for good to prevail. Superman may have punched him, but Mandrakk cannot be harmed by punches. Superman was combataning a story.
The concept/existence of Kal-el in comics prevailed. The Ultimator can not.
Originally posted by theICONiacthe 'true' mandrakk was killed by CA superman. actually, mandrakk wasn't just killed, he was thrown into the overvoid and totally erased from all existence. hell, even the idea of him was snuffed out..
Huh??Who did the heroes fight in FC7?? Mandrakk's bi-polar half-brother Fred?? And where is the 'true' Mandrakk now??
-CA superman-
"i can hear him [mandrakk] still screaming all the way down, down, down, until even the idea of him is lost..."
"until the overvoid, the mind of monitor, engulfs him.... already forgetting":
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6778/sm1o.jpg
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having said that, the mandrakk we saw during FC #7 was the monitor known as rox ogama, who'd been empowered by the 'true' mandrakk in some way..
-rox ogama [aka. mandrakk II]-
"they cast me out too... who once was proud ogama..."
"drink deep of the bitter cup of mandrakk as i have.. let his blood flow through your veins":
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6695/sm2q.jpg
through the same means that rox ogama was transformed into an offshoot version of mandrakk, so too did he transform ultraman into a vampire version of himself:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5965/sm3.jpg
what does that mean as far as mandrakk II's power levels are concerned? in a nutshell, mandrakk II [the version from FC #7] was much, much weaker than the original. why? because mandrakk II was not being perpetually fed by essence of the orrery of worlds, and the bleed [as the original incarnation was] - nor was mandrakk II empowered by the actual comic story [as the original incarnation also was.] he was just, eh... there.
sure mandrakk II was powerful [able to own spectre and radiant simultaneously.] however, he was also owned by means that, quite frankly, would've had no effect on the 'true' mandrakk - who's power was not only eternal, but he could ONLY be beaten by a story more powerful than his own [that's why it had to be superman, etc.]
Originally posted by Galan007
the 'true' mandrakk was killed by CA superman. actually, mandrakk wasn't just killed, he was thrown into the overvoid and totally erased from all existence. hell, even the idea of him was snuffed out..-CA superman-
"i can hear him [mandrakk] still screaming all the way down, down, down, until even the idea of him is lost..."
"until the overvoid, the mind of monitor, engulfs him.... already forgetting":
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6778/sm1o.jpg---
having said that, the mandrakk we saw during FC #7 was the monitor known as rox ogama, who'd been empowered by the 'true' mandrakk in some way..
-rox ogama [aka. mandrakk II]-
"they cast me out too... who once was proud ogama..."
"drink deep of the bitter cup of mandrakk as i have.. let his blood flow through your veins":
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6695/sm2q.jpgthrough the same means that rox ogama was transformed into an offshoot version of mandrakk, so too did he transform ultraman into a vampire version of himself:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5965/sm3.jpgwhat does that mean as far as mandrakk II's power levels are concerned? in a nutshell, mandrakk II [the version from FC #7] was much, much weaker than the original. why? because mandrakk II was not being perpetually fed by essence of the orrery of worlds, and the bleed [as the original incarnation was] - nor was mandrakk II empowered by the actual comic story [as the original incarnation also was.] he was just, eh... there.
sure mandrakk II was powerful [able to own spectre and radiant simultaneously.] however, he was also owned by means that, quite frankly, would've had no effect on the 'true' mandrakk - who's power was not only eternal, but he could ONLY be beaten by a story more powerful than his own [that's why it had to be superman, etc.]
I would just like to add that they reason Mandrakk #2 was also much weaker then the original Mandrakk is because he didn't have time. The real one had a huge amount of time(while locked up) to feed on the stories of DCU. The second one was only alive for a short period of time, but he was still very powerful
Originally posted by Galan007
the 'true' mandrakk was killed by CA superman. actually, mandrakk wasn't just killed, he was thrown into the overvoid and totally erased from all existence. hell, even the idea of him was snuffed out..-CA superman-
"i can hear him [mandrakk] still screaming all the way down, down, down, until even the idea of him is lost..."
"until the overvoid, the mind of monitor, engulfs him.... already forgetting":
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6778/sm1o.jpg---
having said that, the mandrakk we saw during FC #7 was the monitor known as rox ogama, who'd been empowered by the 'true' mandrakk in some way..
-rox ogama [aka. mandrakk II]-
"they cast me out too... who once was proud ogama..."
"drink deep of the bitter cup of mandrakk as i have.. let his blood flow through your veins":
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6695/sm2q.jpgthrough the same means that rox ogama was transformed into an offshoot version of mandrakk, so too did he transform ultraman into a vampire version of himself:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5965/sm3.jpgwhat does that mean as far as mandrakk II's power levels are concerned? in a nutshell, mandrakk II [the version from FC #7] was much, much weaker than the original. why? because mandrakk II was not being perpetually fed by essence of the orrery of worlds, and the bleed [as the original incarnation was] - nor was mandrakk II empowered by the actual comic story [as the original incarnation also was.] he was just, eh... there.
sure mandrakk II was powerful [able to own spectre and radiant simultaneously.] however, he was also owned by means that, quite frankly, would've had no effect on the 'true' mandrakk - who's power was not only eternal, but he could ONLY be beaten by a story more powerful than his own [that's why it had to be superman, etc.]
Ok...I can buy that.
But as far as where the Ultimator is concerned? 5D imps (like Mxy) can break the 4th wall. And Ultimator was chewing down on them like they were Clodhoppers.
Originally posted by theICONiaci know how powerful 5-d imps are. i know how powerful ultimator was. i know the power level mandrakk was operating at.
Ok...I can buy that.But as far as where the Ultimator is concerned? 5D imps (like Mxy) can break the 4th wall. And Ultimator was chewing down on them like they were Clodhoppers.
mandrakk ftw.
Originally posted by Galan007
i know how powerful 5-d imps are. i know how powerful ultimator was. i know the power level mandrakk was operating at.mandrakk ftw.
But what are Mandrakk's feats that show he is stronger than the Ultimator??
I understand Ultimator doesn't really have any other feats besides eating 5D imps...but by proxy in what 5D imps have accomplished in DC's history makes Ultimator look like the 'Ultimate' bad-ass 😄
Originally posted by theICONiac
But what are Mandrakk's feats that show he is stronger than the Ultimator??I understand Ultimator doesn't really have any other feats besides eating 5D imps...but by proxy in what 5D imps have accomplished in DC's history makes Ultimator look like the 'Ultimate' bad-ass 😄
Originally posted by theICONiacfirst read "superman beyond 3d" #2. once you understand the concept of mandrakk, you'll have a better grasp on his overall powerset.
But what are Mandrakk's feats that show he is stronger than the Ultimator??
like i said before, the only 'thing' in all creation capable of defeating mandrakk was superman's story, and superman's story alone. not only that, but superman/his story had to be amped by what was perhaps the most powerful plot device ever - ie. a thought armor created by dax novu himself, capable of adapting instantly to combat any threat. an armor specifically designed to protect all existence against the ultimate enemy.
