Originally posted by SoulDevourerunless you think a handful of magicians + spectre > the supreme being of DC, i'd take that instance with a grain of salt.
but so wuz AM!iirc to defeat AM, Specter had to become more powerfull then the Presence 🤨 (btw MAJOR PIS for Presence cuz that dont make sense, but thats what they said)
Originally posted by SoulDevourerThat's not true.
but so wuz AM!iirc to defeat AM, Specter had to become more powerfull then the Presence 🤨 (btw MAJOR PIS for Presence cuz that dont make sense, but thats what they said)
As for the Spectre. He never became more powerful then the Presence. Did you know Mxy later appeared in WF and defeated that specific Spectre who fought AM? Don't forget he also said "Sorry master I failed"
Originally posted by Galan007hey i said that dont make sense, but it was on panel
unless you think a handful of magicians + spectre > the supreme being of DC, i'd take that instance with a grain of salt.
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ok actualy it only said he had more knowledge not more power, but that still dont make sense 😬
Originally posted by xJLxKingwut so he was going 4th wall or somethin?
That's not true.
AM was destroying all the Universes and adding to his. Mandrakk was eating the stories of DCU(everything including spectre, presence..etc.). He did this since the universe began. Ever story maid he more powerful.
and the Presence too, WTF? (unless this was Vertigo stuff 😄)
Originally posted by SoulDevoureryeah, the exact quote was:
hey i said that dont make sense, but it was on paneledit
ok actualy it only said he had more knowledge not more power, but that still dont make sense 😬
does that statement make sense? no. does it necessarily equate to spectre being more powerful than the supreme being? no.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wut so he was going 4th wall? then Presence aint supremeunless this was Vertigo stuff or somethin
The Presence, or anyone else considered "god/supreme" being is actually the supreme being in DCU. However, I believe that the Prime Monitor is above that. He saw DCU(as a whole) as a germ and sent a probe to observe this germ (who was the original monitor [aka Mandrakk). Before he became Mandrakk, he create the CA armor that was too be powered by the ONLY thing that could defeat him. This was a story that is better then his. It turns out to be Superman's story. Mandrakk spend billions of years feeding on DCU's story.
It all depends if you believe the presence is part of DCU. If you do, he was weaker then Mandrakk. If not, then Mandrakk is weaker.
To me, the Monitor is like a body. The DCU is a germ that keeps growing(stated to be true). The Monitors are white-blood cells that can potentially turn evil if they are exposed to eating the stories.
Originally posted by xJLxKingnot only that, but he had been feeding on the orrery of worlds AND the bleed for untold eons.
That's not true.
AM was destroying all the Universes and adding to his. Mandrakk was eating the stories of DCU(everything including spectre, presence..etc.). He did this since the universe began. Ever story maid he more powerful.
also - mandrakk was the ultimate *evil* story, incarnate. it took THE most powerful *good/enspiring* story in creation + what i believe was the most powerful weapon ever to exist in DC comics, just to overcome him - and even that was BARELY enough.
Originally posted by Galan007
mandrakk was the ultimate *evil* story, incarnate. it took THE most powerful story in creation [superman's] + what i believe was the most powerful weapon ever to exist in DC comics, just to overcome mandrakk - and even that was BARELY enough.
Would you say CA Superman is more powerful than Thanos w/ IG or Heart?
Originally posted by Galan007
mandrakk was the ultimate *evil* story, incarnate. it took THE most powerful story in creation [superman's] + what i believe was the most powerful weapon ever to exist in DC comics, just to overcome mandrakk - and even that was BARELY enough.
I think this is because the Mandrakk was getting stronger and stronger then he originally expected himself to be(when he was good)
Originally posted by xJLxKingin that case the Prime Monitor IS the real omnipotent God, and Presence woud be more like the one in Vertigo (where he says he wuz created by more powerfull bengs)
This is just my opinion and it's shouldn't be taken as a fact but this is how I view it.The Presence, or anyone else considered "god/supreme" being is actually the supreme being in DCU. However, I believe that the Prime Monitor is above that. He saw DCU(as a whole) as a germ and sent a probe to observe this germ (who was the original monitor [aka Mandrakk). Before he became Mandrakk, he create the CA armor that was too be powered by the ONLY thing that could defeat him. This was a story that is better then his. It turns out to be Superman's story. Mandrakk spend billions of years feeding on DCU's story.
It all depends if you believe the presence is part of DCU. If you do, he was weaker then Mandrakk. If not, then Mandrakk is weaker.
To me, the Monitor is like a body. The DCU is a germ that keeps growing(stated to be true). The Monitors are white-blood cells that can potentially turn evil if they are exposed to eating the stories.
basicaly u think Prime Monitor is more like PR Beyonder or somethin?
(btw yeah the *canon* Presence SHOUD be > DCU at least that make more sense)
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
in that case the Prime Monitor IS the real omnipotent God, and Presence woud be more like the one in Vertigo (where he says he wuz created by more powerfull bengs)basicaly u think Prime Monitor is more like PR Beyonder or somethin?
(btw yeah the *canon* Presence SHOUD be > DCU at least that make more sense)
The Presence is in both Vertigo and DCU, though.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
(btw yeah the *canon* Presence SHOUD be > DCU at least that make more sense)
SoulDevourer, you are preaching to the choir over here.
Marvel's cosmic hierarchy absolutely kicks ass over DC. Could you imagine the Living Tribunal getting *****-slapped by the Sentry, or the Silver Surfer?? It seems in DC their omnipotents (like Spectre...nearly stalemating COIE Anti-Monitor but getting pwned by Libra in FC) are 'all-powerful' depending upon which way the winds are blowing with the writers...
Originally posted by theICONiacIs it more acceptable when it's MC2 version of Reed Richards?
SoulDevourer, you are preaching to the choir over here.Marvel's cosmic hierarchy absolutely kicks ass over DC. Could you imagine the Living Tribunal getting *****-slapped by the Sentry, or the Silver Surfer?? It seems in DC their omnipotents (like Spectre...nearly stalemating COIE Anti-Monitor but getting pwned by Libra in FC) are 'all-powerful' depending upon which way the winds are blowing with the writers...
Originally posted by theICONiachttp://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9383/reedsuper4hl5.jpg
Please explain.
MC2 Reed's giant gun takes care of all the cosmics.
