It's clear that Riddick would get a bunch of free glory-holes in a gun fight.
Can anybody post some you-tube clips of both fighting with blades? I'm too f*cking lazy to look. It's been awhile since I've seen any of the Riddick movies and a long-ass time since I've seen Equilibrium. Anyways are you guys counting that Riddick cartoon?
All law enforcement involved in the field destruction and retreival of EC-10 rated materials are done by the clerics. The clerics are the apex of the tetragrammaton(SP?) military.
Originally posted by KingD19
John was the best and the most highly trained one, everyone else was either like a regular cop, or a security guard. Just like the highly skilled Necromongers were nothing to Riddick.
I agree that he was the best, based on movie feats. However, he wasn't the most highly trained. He just happened to be the best. He received the same training everyone else did.
And, yes, I agree with your analogy. To Riddick, the necro's were almost fodder. To a regular human, they'd be quite formidable. Same with the Clerics compared to Preston. Edit - The Clerics were so uber that the resistance or other people taking part in EC-10 goods stood no chance against them. However, the Clerics stood no chance against Preston.
Same with the Necros compared to Riddick.
Originally posted by KingD19This was what I meant, well said.
John was the best and the most highly trained one, everyone else was either like a regular cop, or a security guard. Just like the highly skilled Necromongers were nothing to Riddick.
People are forgetting Riddick pwning the alien creatures in Pitch Black. Could Preston match that feat? No way no how. Just like Preston would not have been able to go up against the Necros like Riddick did and survive.
Preston kills one man with a blade and all of a sudden he can beat Riddick with a blade. Laughable really.
Riddick is stronger, more durable, an all around better fighter.
Here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Riddick#Physical_abilities
Physical abilities
Aside from his more supernatural skills, Riddick is in excellent physical condition and is an exceptional fighter with or without the use of his eyes. Whether as a result of his Furyan heritage or simple training, Riddick is portrayed in both films as being stronger, faster, tougher, more resistant to damage and injury, possessing more acute senses, immense stamina, and recovering more quickly than most humans from injuries; he is shown on more than one occasion dislocating his limbs for brief moments with only slight signs of discomfort. In general, Riddick possesses an abnormally high pain threshold and psychologically channels what pain he does feel into anger.
Riddick's abilities at hand-to-hand combat are particularly formidable, confronting one of the night-creatures of Pitch Black with only his bare hands and a shiv he had made, breaking its neck, as well as defeating one of the Lord Marshall's best Necromonger warriors in a matter of seconds in Chronicles.
Intelligence
Despite his harsh upbringing and violent attitude, Riddick has been shown to have a certain knack for deduction, rapidly concluding what had happened to the original inhabitants of the mining base where he and the other crash survivors had been staying, as well as finding the creature's blind spot in Pitch Black and swiftly deducing what had caused the firefight between the wardens and Toombs' men in Chronicles. He has also been described as having "a knack for escape", surviving not only the Lord Marshall's purge of the Furyans when he was an infant but subsequently escaping from various prisons over the course of his life. He is also able to quickly judge the quality of, and find even seemingly minor flaws in most weaponry, down to very specific details. In one case, Riddick concluded that the prized dagger of a Necromonger was "half a gram too heavy on the back end" after an inspection lasting all of a couple seconds. His only weakness (other than light sensitivity, leaving him in pain when in daylight without his goggles), as stated in the Pitch Black DVD, is his soft spot for children and anyone who really grows on him (those people become his friends), which resulted in his capture by the bounty hunter Johns (Cole Hauser).
In addition to raw analytical power, Riddick is generally an astute judge of character, especially in the dark side of human nature. A killer himself and resident of almost one hundred maximum security facilities, he is often able to predict an individual's negative impulses before they act on them. He has been known to be surprised on occasion, such as when Carolyn Fry in Pitch Black altruistically gave up a fast escape to save Jack (Kyra) and Imam from the alien creatures, and underestimated Jack's (Kyra's) affection toward him between Pitch Black and The Chronicles of Riddick, only learning of it after she had become a mercenary and resident of a maximum security slam. Otherwise, he correctly predicted which of the group in Pitch Black would turn on each other (in particular that Johns would try to double-cross Fry), and that the mercs and guards on Crematoria would turn on each other prior to his escape attempt.
Willpower
One major characteristic of Riddick is his indomitable will. Despite finding himself in situations where the odds of survival and/or escape would seem insurmountable, Riddick always pushes forward and never gives up. Faced with several creatures far more powerful than himself, or any other human for that matter, he has shown himself to be capable of evading, killing, or even taming them. He has escaped out of prisons when most prisoners would resign themselves to captivity. When Riddick was mentally probed by the Quasi-Dead of the Necromongers, he not only resisted them, but also retaliated, the Quasi-Dead's containers actually exploding from the strain of trying to process Riddick. Given the Necromongers' apparent faith in and respect for the power of the Quasi-Dead, this is a very impressive feat. Perhaps even greater was his ability to resist the Lord Marshall's attempt to steal his soul.
Dunno what else is need to show that Riddick is way superior to Preston, who is human. A badass highly trained human, but still human.
Originally posted by QuincyWith guns? Yes. With Blades? Well....
Preston
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here ya go:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Riddick#Physical_abilities
Physical abilities
Aside from his more supernatural skills, Riddick is in excellent physical condition and is an exceptional fighter with or without the use of his eyes. Whether as a result of his Furyan heritage or simple training, Riddick is portrayed in both films as being stronger, faster, tougher, more resistant to damage and injury, possessing more acute senses, immense stamina, and recovering more quickly than most humans from injuries; he is shown on more than one occasion dislocating his limbs for brief moments with only slight signs of discomfort. In general, Riddick possesses an abnormally high pain threshold and psychologically channels what pain he does feel into anger.Riddick's abilities at hand-to-hand combat are particularly formidable, confronting one of the night-creatures of Pitch Black with only his bare hands and a shiv he had made, breaking its neck, as well as defeating one of the Lord Marshall's best Necromonger warriors in a matter of seconds in Chronicles.
Intelligence
Despite his harsh upbringing and violent attitude, Riddick has been shown to have a certain knack for deduction, rapidly concluding what had happened to the original inhabitants of the mining base where he and the other crash survivors had been staying, as well as finding the creature's blind spot in Pitch Black and swiftly deducing what had caused the firefight between the wardens and Toombs' men in Chronicles. He has also been described as having "a knack for escape", surviving not only the Lord Marshall's purge of the Furyans when he was an infant but subsequently escaping from various prisons over the course of his life. He is also able to quickly judge the quality of, and find even seemingly minor flaws in most weaponry, down to very specific details. In one case, Riddick concluded that the prized dagger of a Necromonger was "half a gram too heavy on the back end" after an inspection lasting all of a couple seconds. His only weakness (other than light sensitivity, leaving him in pain when in daylight without his goggles), as stated in the Pitch Black DVD, is his soft spot for children and anyone who really grows on him (those people become his friends), which resulted in his capture by the bounty hunter Johns (Cole Hauser).In addition to raw analytical power, Riddick is generally an astute judge of character, especially in the dark side of human nature. A killer himself and resident of almost one hundred maximum security facilities, he is often able to predict an individual's negative impulses before they act on them. He has been known to be surprised on occasion, such as when Carolyn Fry in Pitch Black altruistically gave up a fast escape to save Jack (Kyra) and Imam from the alien creatures, and underestimated Jack's (Kyra's) affection toward him between Pitch Black and The Chronicles of Riddick, only learning of it after she had become a mercenary and resident of a maximum security slam. Otherwise, he correctly predicted which of the group in Pitch Black would turn on each other (in particular that Johns would try to double-cross Fry), and that the mercs and guards on Crematoria would turn on each other prior to his escape attempt.
Willpower
One major characteristic of Riddick is his indomitable will. Despite finding himself in situations where the odds of survival and/or escape would seem insurmountable, Riddick always pushes forward and never gives up. Faced with several creatures far more powerful than himself, or any other human for that matter, he has shown himself to be capable of evading, killing, or even taming them. He has escaped out of prisons when most prisoners would resign themselves to captivity. When Riddick was mentally probed by the Quasi-Dead of the Necromongers, he not only resisted them, but also retaliated, the Quasi-Dead's containers actually exploding from the strain of trying to process Riddick. Given the Necromongers' apparent faith in and respect for the power of the Quasi-Dead, this is a very impressive feat. Perhaps even greater was his ability to resist the Lord Marshall's attempt to steal his soul.Dunno what else is need to show that Riddick is way superior to Preston, who is human. A badass highly trained human, but still human.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
One man. And a large part of that was trickery, he thought Preston was this good, when he was that good.
Nah you dont know what you're talking about.
Preston was surrounded in a small circle by the highest guard of clerics, with no weapon. He was completely encircled, stole a sword, and killed them all in seconds.
So you probs shouldn't bank on "Preston beats one sword guy" argument.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dunno what else is need to show that Riddick is way superior to Preston, who is human. A badass highly trained human, but still human.
Sure, Riddick is more durable than Preston.
Yup, his vision is better than a Preston's.
And, yup, Riddick is stronger than Preston.
Doesn't change the fact that Preston is more skilled and faster with a bladed weapon than Riddick.
Originally posted by QuincyAnd those guys were mere humans, highly trained badass humans, but humans nonetheless. They were trained the same as Preston apparently, so he knows their capabilities.
Nah you dont know what you're talking about.Preston was surrounded in a small circle by the highest guard of clerics, with no weapon. He was completely encircled, stole a sword, and killed them all in seconds.
So you probs shouldn't bank on "Preston beats one sword guy" argument.
Riddick against Irgun. Riddick is unarmed, Irgun attacks, Riddick, evades, takes the knife from Irgun's back, and kills him with it.
Riddick, he knew shit about the Necros, he went up against them and pwned in epic proportions. I cannot find a youtube vid of it, but Riddick killed at least 40 Necromongers in a couple of minutes (I just watched the scene.) That trumps any feat Preston has to offer.
Necromongers are obviously superior to humans, Faako lifts one human over his head like a rag doll. Superior strength. And they are harder to kill. Remember the scene where the Necros are attacking New Mecca? That one Necro, the one who thrust the staff in the ground, it took several shots to take him down. And the Necro who had the knife in his back? He wasn't slown down, not even a little bit. Add the fact that they wear heavy armor and Riddick still mowed them down like they were nothing, yeah, put Preston in that situation and he gets pwned.
More proof Necros are superior to humans? When that inmate tackled Faako, Faako spun at him like a ninja and killed him by lifting him over his head, as if he weighed nothing, and broke his back.
So, Riddick killed 40ish Necros in one sitting, while Preston killed 4 or so clerics in one sitting. Necros are superior than and harder to kill than humans. Do the math, Riddick is the better killer of the two, unless Preston has his guns. Riddick pwns Preston with blade, h2h, any scenario where Preston has no guns. To deny this is to ignore screen feats, which Riddick pwns Preston in. Throw in Riddicks FAR superior physical attributes, and you've got one dead cleric. Faster, stronger, far more resistant to pain, superior in every imaginable way.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Riddick, he knew shit about the Necros, he went up against them and pwned in epic proportions. I cannot find a youtube vid of it, but Riddick killed at least 40 Necromongers in a couple of minutes (I just watched the scene.) That trumps any feat Preston has to offer.
And Preston took out 20+, fully automatic, armored, clerics in mere seconds. Clerics that have bene trained to dodge gunfire in a way that would make any Necro salivate. 😄
That trumps any scene Riddick has been in. awesome
On top of that, he took out an entire room of the top bladed Clerics...the absolute best clerics, all without having a blade at all, in just mere little measly seconds. awesome awesome awesome awesome
See, RJ, this is what I've been talking about. Sure, Riddick is fast, strong, has great sense; but he's not as fast as Preston and he's not as skilled with a blade or a gun. All of that Necro strength means nothing to Preston becaue they won't even touch him.