Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Answer the question, who is harder to kill? Riggs or McClane?
McClane, as he's escaped harder situations.
Your question is irrelevant(and loaded) based on the "can't get hit" angle, like I said, Riggs doesn't have the ability to completely avoid attacks, like a Cleric does. Riggs has been hit many a time throughout the LW films, notably when Jet Li ****ed his shit up, he's also been shot.
Originally posted by RobtardRight, Mac is harder to kill, even though Riggs is technically a better fighter and is more flashy than Mac. It's an analogy that I am hoping puts things in perspective for you. See, right now you are where I was when I was convinced that Riggs pwns Mac. See, Preston is all graceful and kills with a sword all flashy and shit, while Riddick is the more McClane of the two, he relies on brute force and making shit up as he goes. Death by teacup, dude.
McClane, as he's escaped harder situations.Your question is irrelevant(and loaded) based on the "harder to hit angle", like I said, Riggs doesn't have the ability to completely avoid attacks, like a Cleric does. Riggs has been hit many a time throughout the LW films, notably when Jet Li ****ed his shit up.
You also got the 45 kills to 9 thing.
PWNED.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Right, Mac is harder to kill, even though Riggs is technically a better fighter and is more flashy than Mac. It's an analogy that I am hoping puts things in perspective for you. See, right now you are where I was when I was convinced that Riggs pwns Mac. See, Preston is all graceful and kills with a sword all flashy and shit, while Riddick is the more McClane of the two, he relies on brute force and making shit up as he goes. Death by teacup, dude.You also got the 45 kills to 9 thing.
PWNED.
No, not really. You're comparing apples to oranges.
Both Riggs and McClane get hit, they're not like Preston/Clerics who simply does not get hit, except by others with the Gunkata training.
That teacup was a bad-ass move, it wouldn't hit Preston though.
Edit.
Preston killed more people in Equilibrium than Riddick did in his film.
Preston killed about a forth of the number of people Riddick did in his film, but he only used a blade very briefly in the film. Riddick wsa using one practically the whole time. It's not a parallel comparison. However, we can say that John is the better as he doesn't even get touched by those he fights whereas Riddick does.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, not really. You're comparing apples to oranges.Both Riggs and McClane get hit, they're not like Preston/Clerics who simply does not get hit, except by others with the Gunkata training.
That teacup was a bad-ass move, it wouldn't hit Preston though.
It's not apples and oranges, man, it's a fair analogy in every aspect.
Clerics are not trained to fight someone like Riddick. They are trained to fight sense offenders, which, if we go by what was seen in the movie, are shit. Naturally a cleric versus a cleric will usually be a good fight because they are trained the same, and when you take someone like Preston, who is a cut above the rest, yeah, he is gonna pwn any other cleric, because he is better at what he does, AND he knows their moves, he KNOWS what they will do before they do it. He showed this versus Taye Diggs, he knew how and when he would atttack and exploited it. Versus Riddick, Preston will have no clue to Riddicks fighting style. Nor will he be able to match Riddicks speed, stamina, endurance, or brute force. Preston will be completely outmatched in every imaginable way.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's not apples and oranges, man, it's a fair analogy in every aspect.Clerics are not trained to fight someone like Riddick. They are trained to fight sense offenders, which, if we go by what was seen in the movie, are shit. Naturally a cleric versus a cleric will usually be a good fight because they are trained the same, and when you take someone like Preston, who is a cut above the rest, yeah, he is gonna pwn any other cleric, because he is better at what he does, AND he knows their moves, he KNOWS what they will do before they do it. He showed this versus Taye Diggs, he knew how and when he would atttack and exploited it. Versus Riddick, Preston will have no clue to Riddicks fighting style. Nor will he be able to match Riddicks speed, stamina, endurance, or brute force. Preston will be completely outmatched in every imaginable way.
Apples to Oranges, sir.
The same holds for Riddick, he has no idea of Preston's style in avoiding attacks. So, your point is pointless here.
What we do know, Preston doesn't get touched and he kills more guys and does it faster, many a time with no starting weapon. He also fights harder to kill opponents, ie other Clerics.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Clerics are not trained to fight someone like Riddick.
Explicityly? No. But, by that argument, anyone from any other unrelated movie against the other character falls under this same exact category.
Generally? Yes. Preston is more than trained well enough to fight someone like Riddick.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They are trained to fight sense offenders, which, if we go by what was seen in the movie, are shit.
Well, if you consider that there were what...a dozen of them with automatics all on the edge of a the room. Preston busts right in, takes them all out. He was in the center of the room with no cover...and he still took them all out. The gap between Riddick and Preston his huge. Preston versus a bunch of Necros: it woudl be a slaughter as those slow moving bulky Necros would be easier targets. Preston would lay-waste to them like they were stationary targets.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Versus Riddick, Preston will have no clue to Riddicks fighting style.
Again, this is a logical fallacy. The same holds true for Riddick. Riddick isn't going to have a clue about Preston's fighting style. Neither will know each others'.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nor will he be able to match Riddicks speed,
Preston will be able to match Riddick's speed, only if Preston slows down. 😐
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
stamina,
Arguable. Preston did not show fatigue after taking out dozens upon dozens of Clerics. Not even winded. We do see Riddick getting worn out by his fight with Lord Marshal.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
endurance,
Arguable. Again, Preston was not fatigued and we see Riddick getting fatigued.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
or brute force.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Preston will be completely outmatched in every imaginable way.
You've got that grossly wrong.
Riddick only has Preston in Durability, Strength, and sight.
Edit - Preston has Riddick in speed, bladed skill, gun skill, intelligence, endurance, evasiveness, agility, and even clothing style.
Originally posted by Robtard
Apples to Oranges, sir.The same holds for Riddick, he has no idea of Preston's style in avoiding attacks. So, your point is pointless here.
What we do know, Preston doesn't get touched and he kills more guys and does it faster, many a time with no starting weapon. He also fights harder to kill opponents, ie other Clerics.
Riddick had no idea how the Necros would attack, and he cut through them like wet toilet paper. Surround Preston with 45 Clerics, and throw in the fact that he has no idea of their training or fighting style, he gets pwned like a drunk cheerleadr on prom night.
And Riddick got touched? He killed 45 Necros taking no damage. He was touched, yes, as in skin on skin contact, but he took ZERO damage.
Necros are harder to kill than Clerics, man. There's really no room for argument here.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Riddick had no idea how the Necros would attack, and he cut through them like wet toilet paper. Surround Preston with 45 Clerics, and throw in the fact that he has no idea of their training or fighting style, he gets pwned like a drunk cheerleadr on prom night.
Logical fallacy.
Preston was surrounded by 8-9 clerics, with no weapons, and he pwned them all like they were nothing.
He was almost completely surrounded by 20+ clerics, each having body armor, and fully automatic assault rifles. So, we almost have that same exact scenario.
Also, Riddick was not surrounded by 40+ Necros.
Throw Riddick into the same Scenarios Preston was put in and he either ends up as swiss cheese or he ends up in pieces on the floor.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And Riddick got touched? He killed 45 Necros taking no damage.
Correction, he got blasted like 20 feet into the air by one of those guns, had to brawl with them with punches, slams, etc., and took a few hits.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Necros are harder to kill than Clerics, man. There's really no room for argument here.
Incorrect. 1 average cleric could take out 20+ Necros without effort....and that's even with the Necros being armed.
Originally posted by dadudemonSame as Riddick did with 45 Necros.
Logical fallacy.Preston was surrounded by 8-9 clerics, with no weapons, and he pwned them all like they were nothing.
He was almost completely surrounded by 20+ clerics, each having body armor, and fully automatic assault rifles. So, we almost have that same exact scenario.And Preston was armed with guns the whole time. I already acknowledged Preston pwns Riddick with guns. Stop backpedaling.
Also, Riddick was not surrounded by 40+ Necros.But they were coming at him from all angles, AND they had guns. The 8-9 clerics had no guns. Pwned.
Throw Riddick into the same Scenarios Preston was put in and he either ends up as swiss cheese or he ends up in pieces on the floor.Nah, Riddick grabs a blade and does the same as Preston did.
Correction, he got blasted like 20 feet into the air by one of those guns, had to brawl with them with punches, slams, etc., and took a few hits.That was at the end, Faako did a ***** move and attacked Riddick while Riddick was engaged in combat. Truth be told, dude at the desk shoulda grabbed his gun and shot Preston while Preston was fighting the other clerics. Pwned.
Incorrect. 1 average cleric could take out 20+ Necros without effort....and that's even with the Necros being armed.Bullshit. Clerics fight average humans. Necros are far superior to an average human. Clerics are badass, but they fight half ass sense offenders who cannot shoot for shit.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Same as Riddick did with 45 Necros.
Cept he wasn't surrounded.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And Preston was armed with guns the whole time. I already acknowledged Preston pwns Riddick with guns. Stop backpedaling.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't a counter to your point.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But they were coming at him from all angles, AND they had guns. The 8-9 clerics had no guns. Pwned.
Correct. You pwned yourself. Riddick had weapons, Preston didn't. Riddick wasn't surrounded, Preston was. Preston was in multiple scenarios where he was literally surrounded from all sides, Riddick wasn't.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, Riddick grabs a blade and does the same as Preston did.
Post it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That was at the end, Faako did a ***** move and attacked Riddick while Riddick was engaged in combat.
Again, self pwnage. The point was still a counter to yours. Just because you don't like what happened in the movie, doesn't mean it didn't happen. It happened. You said something that was wrong.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Truth be told, dude at the desk shoulda grabbed his gun and shot Preston while Preston was fighting the other clerics. Pwned.
Truth be told, that would have been out of his character. He was all about NOT having to lift a finger living a posh life as the hypocritcal father. Also, there was no reason for him to assume Preston wouldn't be slashed to pieces by 8-9 of the top clerics.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bullshit. Clerics fight average humans. Necros are far superior to an average human. Clerics are badass, but they fight half ass sense offenders who cannot shoot for shit.
That logic works just fine until you consider Preston took out the Clerics just as easily as he did the humans. Pwned.
I can see RJ's argument having some leg to stand on if Preston had struggled to defeat the clerics in the final scene, but he didn't. Who's to say he couldn't take out 40-45ish (by RJ's count) as well? We could say "Oh no he def couldn't" if Preston was getting his ass-kicked and won barely - but he didn't - Preston cleaned house with little to no effort.
Originally posted by dadudemonThey were coming at him from all angles, tow and three at a time and shit, it's the same.
Cept he wasn't surrounded.
because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't a counter to your point.It's not a counter in any way. You are using Prestons fighting with guns as a crutch, as if it has any bearing on his h2h skills. It doesnt. Pwned, get over it.
Correct. You pwned yourself. Riddick had weapons, Preston didn't. Riddick wasn't surrounded, Preston was. Preston was in multiple scenarios where he was literally surrounded from all sides, Riddick wasn't.Preston was in three scenarios where he was surrounded, two of them he had his guns. In two of them, his victims were regular police. And stop with the whole "Riddick was never surrounded" shit, he had Necros coming at him from all around him. Wait, all around him.....SURROUNDED.....pwned.
And again, 45 kills compared to 9.
Epic pwn.
Post it.Just did.
Again, self pwnage. The point was still a counter to yours. Just because you don't like what happened in the movie, doesn't mean it didn't happen. It happened. You said something that was wrong.I was talking about the end battle up until Faako shooting him, you know that, dont be stupid, it doesnt look good on you.
Truth be told, that would have been out of his character. He was all about NOT having to lift a finger living a posh life as the hypocritcal father. Also, there was no reason for him to assume Preston wouldn't be slashed to pieces by 8-9 of the top clerics.We tried the whole character morality thing here, didnt float.
That logic works just fine until you consider Preston took out the Clerics just as easily as he did the humans. Pwned.Sure it dies, man, sure it does.
45 kills to 9 kills.
Pwned with a side of gravy fries.
Riddick wins with a blade 10000/10.
Originally posted by QuincyAnd Riddick killed the 45ish Necros without breaking a sweat. Point?
I can see RJ's argument having some leg to stand on if Preston had struggled to defeat the clerics in the final scene, but he didn't. Who's to say he couldn't take out 40-45ish (by RJ's count) as well? We could say "Oh no he def couldn't" if Preston was getting his ass-kicked and won barely - but he didn't - Preston cleaned house with little to no effort.
And no, Preston would have been killed if it were 45 Clerics.