John Preston vs. Riddick

My opinion is that Dark Fury is canon.

Need I say anything else?

Nope. Good call.

I'm not allowing Dark Fury in this thread, though.

You can start a new thread if you want to use Dark Fury.

Not trying to get back in this argument, but the time frame on not allowing Dark Fury has passed.

Originally posted by KingD19
Not trying to get back in this argument, but the time frame on not allowing Dark Fury has passed.

Indeed. I didn't allow it days ago.

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It doesn't matter whether or not you won't allow it, DDM.

Unless you can offer me solid proof that Dark Fury is not, in fact, canon, then it will be allowed.

Sorry, but rules are rules.

If it can be proved that it isn't canon, then, by all means, continue unabashed, sir.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
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There no need to bait, RJ. Comments like that are unnecessary.

Continue with the thread.

I wasnt baiting, I was stating the obvious.

Wait wait wait...

You're saying that we are not allowed to debate the live action versions of characters?

On top of this, we aren't able to dissallow a cartoon that:

1. Gives the main character abilities that are not present in the live action series.

2. Are so exaggerated that some of the characters end up with 3 foot necks, 6 foot arms, etc. (This is stylized animation during the fight scenes.)

3. Has Riddick moving as fast as the flash in some portions of the animation.

4. Has regular humans quite consistantly doing superhuman things that, obviously, their human counterparts couldn't and didn't do.

Sorry, I'm not using Dark Fury as "canon feats".

IMO, using Dark Fury is just grasping at straws because people want their character to win. If an over-the-top animation existed for Equilibrium, I'd reconsider.

I'm not using Dark Fury as part of a live action vs. debate. Anyone who brings it up as "feats" will be ignored.

Edit - In fact, this thread was over when I countered all of RJ's points earlier in the thread. There is nothing left to debate, really, about the live-action characters unless someone has something from Chronicles of Riddick that hasn't been brought up.

So you're going to Ignore Impediment?

Originally posted by KingD19
So you're going to Ignore Impediment?

So, Impediment said that Riddick wins based on his Dark Fury showings?

Oh, wait, he didn't. 😐

In fact, he's argued the same point I have the whole time:

"My opinion is that the director of the anime film portrayed Riddick in such a manner as to make the film more visually enjoyable. That, and it's an animated film, FFS."

Edit - Reread my post. It quite clearly states I'll ignore all "points" that try to use Dark Fury feats.

haermm Riddick pwns, next question please.

In case everyone is wondering, Dark Fury is not the only "anime" type of cartoon to be released straight to home video that contained the main character working and acting in ways that were over-the-top compared to the live action counter part. Another example would be Van Helsing: The London Assignment. Written by the same folks, etc. That would be another example of something I wouldn't allow in a live-action versus debate.

Here's the reasoning: If there are contradictions between the feats seen in the live-action films or their cartoon adaptations, the medium chosen to be used in a debate will match the opposing sides medium, i.e. if the opposing side is also a cartoon, the cartoon feats will take precedence: if the opposing side is live-action then the medium chosen will be live-action.

This is my own personal meter-stick as I don't like to get into the negative aspect of debating cartoons against live-action characters or the exaggeration seen in cartoons.

Edit - And the canonicity of Dark Fury is the story, not the contradictory fighting feats. Unless you guys want to contradict yourselves and try to justify why Riddick didn't go "The Flash" mode against the Grand Marshall at the end of Chronicles.

Originally posted by dadudemon
IMO, using Dark Fury is just grasping at straws because people want their character to win.

This is fact, not opinion. It's clear for all to see.

I never made a ruling of any kind.

I told DDM to find evidence that proves or disproves Dark Fury is canon.

I'm waiting for the b*tching to cease so I can be presented with such.

Bullshit. What we have here is two guys (DDM and Rob) who would rather swallow glass than admit they are wrong. And now that they have been proven wrong/pwned, they are upset about it and saying it isn't fair.

Never, and I mean never ever, have I seen either of you two admit defeat or that you are wrong. You were wrong all through this thread, going with the character you wanted to win, ignoring the FACT that Riddick is ten times the fighter and man that Preston could ever hope to be.

Admit defeat. Accept the pwn.

Originally posted by Impediment
I never made a ruling of any kind.

I told DDM to find evidence that proves or disproves Dark Fury is canon.

I'm waiting for the b*tching to cease so I can be presented with such.

Originally posted by Impediment
I never made a ruling of any kind.

I told DDM to find evidence that proves or disproves Dark Fury is canon.

I'm waiting for the b*tching to cease so I can be presented with such.

The series isn't popular enough to provide with a yes or a no on canonicity. In fact, canon is only established for very few things such as Star Trek and Star Wars. (And mostly fan-agreed-upon ideas for the games series "Fallout"😉

In that case, we have to use logic to derive something useable. Since we know that some of the feats in Dark Fury make the movie Riddick look like a chump, we can logically say that we should stick with live-action versions to prevent massive contradictions in using characters such as Riddick.

Originally posted by Impediment
I never made a ruling of any kind.

I told DDM to find evidence that proves or disproves Dark Fury is canon.

I'm waiting for the b*tching to cease so I can be presented with such.

DDM and I have both brought forth evidence. Riddick moving at blurring speeds (like the Flash) etc. The abilities do not flow with what is seen in both live films, not even close.