Originally posted by Spire
Looks like carver is getting ready for another Super Weekend Superman Hate-fest.
You might need to read back a little. Me and RAOUL was debating; nobody ask batman to put his two cents into our debate. Thats how things get started. If you all mind your own business you wouldnt get upset over two other people debating with one another.
I didnt ask you or Batman prime to get involved into me and raouls discussion.
Originally posted by carver9
And you have helped my case. Hyperbole=sh**. I dont use hyperbole statements in my arguments.
Bringing them up in the first place was kind of bad, anyway.
Someone "punching with planetary force" is less hyperbolic than a vague statement as "almost limitless strength". What defines "almost limitless strength"? Planetary force is more specific in that regards if we wanted to measure actual strength or force of impact.
Originally posted by carver9Why is it that when you bring up the planet that gladiator destroyed, superman fans want the planet to be small or they state that the planet is small, but turn around and ask for the size of the planet?
Someone was asking me the size of the planet, etc....Me and him tend to go around in circles like this all of the time.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Bringing them up in the first place was kind of bad, anyway.Someone "punching with planetary force" is less hyperbolic than a vague statement as "almost limitless strength". What defines "almost limitless strength"? Planetary force is more specific in that regards if we wanted to measure actual strength or force of impact.
I agree, I shouldnt have brought them up but I was showing him an example of hyperbole statements; everyone have them.
Thats why I was saying, show feats.
I know gladiator doesnt have limitless strength because he doesnt have it but again, that wasnt the point of my post. You all should of read back a little before actually attacking me over one scan.
If someone has planetary strength, they should have the feats to back it up, not a statement.
Originally posted by BUSTER BLADER!!
Why is it that when you bring up the planet that gladiator destroyed, superman fans want the planet to be small or they state that the planet is small, but turn around and ask for the size of the planet?
Naah, they just dont want Glads to be>Supes and its kind of understandable since Supes is the icon of all heros but DAMN, there are people out there that is either just as powerful or more powerful and thats what a lot of people hate and thats when people use feats out of order and add on to a feat that really didnt happen.
Like I will always say, Superman is fast as hell, strong as hell, smart as hell, and powerful as hell but Gladiator is just much more and again, feats proves this.
Originally posted by carver9Well, i know both characters like i know my name, And gladiator is far above superman. But superman is more popular.
Naah, they just dont want Glads to be>Supes and its kind of understandable since Supes is the icon of all heros but DAMN, there are people out there that is either just as powerful or more powerful and thats what a lot of people hate and thats when people use feats out of order and add on to a feat that really didnt happen.Like I will always say, Superman is fast as hell, strong as hell, smart as hell, and powerful as hell but Gladiator is just much more and again, feats proves this.
The planet busting feat is impressive but it doesn't prove Glads is more powerful than Supes, and actually the size, density etc. of the planet would be necessary to judge how much force his three punches had in a compariosn.
Supes destroyed the shadow moon with one shot, and yet it's considered a low durability feat for Supes. Not to mention planet busting force is something expected of these guys and plenty of authors state that Supes can bust planetoids with his blows. Let's not forget that Supes does have planetary feats even once pulling the Earth with a harness.
Outside of that one feat, Glads doesn't actually have the showings to put him up there with Supes. No durability feats, no victories over anyone notable, he has losses against all notable opponents barring Vulcan.
Originally posted by AllanklesWell if a person had to ram a moon to destroy it and another person stood on a planet and hit it with his fist to destroy it, then we have a good comparison. Gladiator contained an explosion that would have destroyed planets, moons and suns without any equiptment aiding him.. How much strength does that take to hold in that much force?
The planet busting feat is impressive but it doesn't prove Glads is more powerful than Supes, and actually the size, density etc. of the planet would be necessary to judge how much force his three punches had in a compariosn.Supes destroyed the shadow moon with one shot, and yet it's considered a low durability feat for Supes. Not to mention planet busting force is something expected of these guys and plenty of authors state that Supes can bust planetoids with his blows. Let's not forget that Supes does have planetary feats even once pulling the Earth with a harness.
Outside of that one feat, Glads doesn't actually have the showings to put him up there with Supes. No durability feats, no victories over anyone notable, he has losses against all notable opponents barring Vulcan.
Not much more strength than Supes holding a black hole. It also helps that Supes base power is always increasing. And it can't be ignored that Glads powers his heat vision, durability and strength in combat are less than his peers while it is the reverse with Supes.
You can mention popularity but you don't have to be popular to be powerful. Spiderman is more popular than Glads too, does that matter? Of course not. Supes defeats great threats, rivals etc Glads doesn't.
Originally posted by carver9
Because Superman flew through the moon. Thats more of a durability feat.Thats like me using Hyperion feat of him flying through a sun making it go Supernova, claiming him as being a person that could punch suns to oblivion.
Come on raoul, flying through something doesnt=strength.
If Superman punched it, then it would have been a different story.
Wonderman has flown through earths crust, is he a planet destroyer now?
his durability keeps him awake as he flies through it. that's it.
did wonderman do permanent damage to the earth?
Originally posted by AllanklesThat was all star superman holding that black hole the size of a golfball.... Gladiators heatvision has taken off peoples heads, nearly killed the hulk, ran off thor and is stated as being hotter than stars. His strength in combat is ever marveled... His Durability kept him from even being scratched by ALL the x-men together and taking blasts that destroys planets, suns and moons.. It helped him take a blast from thors hammer... then multiple hits from thors hammer... then a blast from thor girl that was on par with odin and he was standing talking minutes later. He is above superman in all areas with only one area that is debatable... Who is smarter.
Not much more strength than Supes holding a black hole. It also helps that Supes base power is always increasing. And it can't be ignored that Glads powers his heat vision, durability and strength in combat are less than his peers while it is the reverse with Supes.You can mention popularity but you don't have to be popular to be powerful. Spiderman is more popular than Glads too, does that matter? Of course not. Supes defeats great threats, rivals etc Glads doesn't.
He was defeated by Masterson Thor. And no it wasn't all star Superman that held the black hole. His heat vision didn't nearly stop the Hulk that was all talk before he got defeated by Hulk.
The X Men? That's the best you have? Which blasts that could destroy suns? Seems like you're being purposefully vague. Supes tanked the Margeddon Warhead which was said to be capable of decimating a star system, nothing vague there.
He has no victories over Thor despite several meetings, even getting put down by his lightning. No victories over the Hulk. No victories over anyone of note, that's supposed to rival his stats.
How can he be on Supes level, if he can't even contend with guys in his weightclass? Supes actually battles guys within and above his weightclass, from demon lords like Satanus and Blaze, to major cosmics like Dominus and Darkseid.
Originally posted by AllanklesGladiator is a character that will be allowed to lose to make the hero look good.. Superman is the save the day icon... Do you think the writers put powersets into play when they write a story?.. Did you think gladiator would be allowed to kill thor, hulk, cannonball, spiderman, the FF, hyperion or rom spacenight? If superman were the so-called bad guy in marvel, then he would job as well. Forget about what happens in a comicbook fight that is writer controlled. A heros fights will always get a bias boost. A badguy will not. But when it comes to high feats of speed, strength, agility and fighting abilities... Gladiator is above superman in a non-bias comparison.
He was defeated by Masterson Thor. And no it wasn't all star Superman that held the black hole. His heat vision didn't nearly stop the Hulk that was all talk before he got defeated by Hulk.The X MEN? That's the best you have? Which blasts that could destroy suns? Seems like you're being purposefully vague. Supes tanked the Margeddon Warhead which was said to be capable of decimating a star system, nothing vague there.
Originally posted by AllanklesOk, lets do this your way.. Galactus has lost to the FF a couple of times... They fought him and saved earth and even once put him down... Gladiator beat the FF... Now Galdiator is above Galactus right? How can Galactus be on gladiators level?
He has no victories over Thor despite several meetings, even getting put down by his lightning. No victories over the Hulk. No victories over anyone of note, that's supposed to rival his stats.How can he be on Supes level, if he can't even contend with guys in his weightclass? Supes actually battles guys within and above his weightclass, from demon lords like Satanus and Blaze, to major cosmics like Dominus and Darkseid.
Originally posted by BUSTER BLADER!!
Gladiator is a character that will be allowed to lose to make the hero look good.. Superman is the save the day icon... Do you think the writers put powersets into play when they write a story?.. Did you think gladiator would be allowed to kill thor, hulk, cannonball, spiderman, the FF, hyperion or rom spacenight? If superman were the so-called bad guy in marvel, then he would job as well. Forget about what happens in a comicbook fight that is writer controlled. A heros fights will always get a bias boost. A badguy will not. But when it comes to high feats of speed, strength, agility and fighting abilities... Gladiator is above superman in a non-bias comparison.
But the Badguy, if he is serious will have victories over the heroes. Some badguys in fact have more victories over their arch nemesis than vice versa, of course the good guys win overall regardless but a bad guy can have his personal victories in a rivalry.
Originally posted by BUSTER BLADER!!
Ok, lets do this your way.. Galactus has lost to the FF a couple of times... They fought him and saved earth and even once put him down... Gladiator beat the FF... Now Galdiator is above Galactus right? How can Galactus be on gladiators level?
If we ignored the context you'd have a point. Gladiator loses one on one. He's not some super cosmic that gets beat with a plot device.