Thanos vs Superman/Silver Surfer/Thor/Gladiator

Originally posted by Allankles
If we ignored the context you'd have a point. Gladiator loses one on one. He's not some super cosmic that gets beat with a plot device.

Originally posted by BUSTER BLADER!!
Then how did he lose to thor?.. to hulk?.. Everytime gladiator fights thor, he is about to kill him until... you guessed it... plot device.. Against hulk... plot device after plot device.... cannonball.... plot device... But wait!!! he beats vulcan, hyperion, binary and flies supreme into space before he can react??, Yet he cannot fly hulk into space.. Why?.. Because hulk dies there.. Gladiators speed was not taken into account there like it was for supreme.. Plot device is the reason why gladiator lose.. Superman gets one-shotted or beaten down more than any top guy without plot device.

It's not a plot device since Thor and Hulk can hurt and kill him with their power. Character flaws may play a part in some of his losses but they are not the same as plot devices.

Galactus can't be hurt by FF so the heroes come up with some tech or or find an artifact that could hurt him or whatever, that's a plot device. Kryptonite can be seen as a plot device.

Gladiator getting owned as he tries to heat vision Hulk is not a plot device, Hulk used his own strength to defeat him.

Originally posted by Allankles
It's not a plot device since Thor and Hulk can hurt and kill him
with their power. Character flaws may play a part in some of his losses but they are not the same as plot devices.

Galactus can't be hurt by FF so the heroes come up with some tech or or find an artifact that could hurt him or whatever, that's a plot device. Kryptonite can be seen as a plot device.

Gladiator getting owned as he tries to heat vision Hulk is not a plot device, Hulk used his own strength to defeat him.

All of your post is meaningless unless you actually read the comic.

Let me help you out though.

Masterson thor was defeated; gladiator stood over him laughing and got hit by a magical lightning in the back which ended the fight. He stomped masterson and it wasnt even a fight. Plot Device ended that fight.

Gladiator fighting the hulk. If you actually read the comic you would have known why hulk beat glads. His radiation weakness was around and then hulk made it even worse. He picked up Gladiator and threw him in it which ended the fight yet again. Plot device.

Gladiator has taken out Binary with one punch.

A super skrull that had all of the powers of earth heros with one punch.

Vulcan with one hit.

Took out the entire nova corpse without even breaking a sweat.

Defeated Thor once.

Broke Hyperion neck.

Defeated Nova yet again.

Fought Supreme to a stalemate. Supreme IS precrisis Superman.

Took out a phoenix with one punch.

But what does all of this prove, nothing. Going by strength showings AND Durability, Glads>Superman.

Originally posted by Allankles
The planet busting feat is impressive but it doesn't prove Glads is more powerful than Supes, and actually the size, density etc. of the planet would be necessary to judge how much force his three punches had in a compariosn.

Supes destroyed the shadow moon with one shot, and yet it's considered a low durability feat for Supes. Not to mention planet busting force is something expected of these guys and plenty of authors state that Supes can bust planetoids with his blows. Let's not forget that Supes does have planetary feats even once pulling the Earth with a harness.

Outside of that one feat, Glads doesn't actually have the showings to put him up there with Supes. No durability feats, no victories over anyone notable, he has losses against all notable opponents barring Vulcan.

Supes almost died from rambing the shadow moon.

He doesnt have any planet busting feats and again, if we go by hyperbole then there are thousands of planet wreckers, even Cyclops.

Supes doesnt have any planetary moving feats and recently the entire Kryptonian race including Superman struggled to move the moon back into orbit.

Originally posted by Allankles
It's not a plot device since Thor and Hulk can hurt and kill him with their power. Character flaws may play a part in some of his losses but they are not the same as plot devices.

Galactus can't be hurt by FF so the heroes come up with some tech or or find an artifact that could hurt him or whatever, that's a plot device. Kryptonite can be seen as a plot device.

Gladiator getting owned as he tries to heat vision Hulk is not a plot device, Hulk used his own strength to defeat him.

Originally posted by Allankles
He has no victories over Thor despite several meetings, even getting put down by his lightning. No victories over the Hulk. No victories over anyone of note, that's supposed to rival his stats.

How can he be on Supes level, if he can't even contend with guys in his weightclass? Supes actually battles guys within and above his weightclass, from demon lords like Satanus and Blaze, to major cosmics like Dominus and Darkseid.

He has no victories over thor?

There you go, yet again dont know what you are talking about. You must never read the comic (of course not, you only read DC) where glads picked up a chimney, threw it at thor, then thor hit it with his hammer, and glads blitzed him, koing him.

Know about your character before debating against them.

By the way, you bring up who Superman has defeated but you have yet to bring up him losing to Wonder Woman and also getting stalemated by Captain Marvel and the list goes on.

Stop lowballing Glads.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not lowballing. You attacked me first asking the size of the planet. You started with the low ball. If you're not ready to back up your claims then dont come my way trying to debate against me.

I'm not even going to respond to your post because its not even worth it.

I just gave you an example of your discredit tactics, though with an character you actually don't hate. So you can see yourself how retarted such a tactic is.

You won't respond because you know that you always leave out the context to low ball the chars you hate and to make the feats of the chars you like more impressive.

You do not debate, you do the word injustice.

You simple can't accept the fact that Superman has the better feats, you will simply ignore those you don't like and discredit everything else. Going by Strength (book with infinite pages), showings (fights against Skyfather beings like Darkseid) and durbability (Maggedon) Superman > Gladiator.

You demand always an exact dublicate of something before you accept it and even then it's tricky for your brain to grasp it without serious bias.

"Show me Superman lifting something heavy as a building with both feats on the ground"

SCAN

"No that's not good enough, we don't know how heavy it was, heck i can show you others carry heavier things. Show me supes lifting a Planet with both feats on the ground and hise nose in his ass."

SCAN

"No, that's not the same, the write does not state that this Planet has an atmosphere, it has to be sort of a giant rock...."

The Kryptonian Moon is a pretty good example of you "debate tactic". Leaving out context in order to low ball Supes. The moon was moved by an Kryptonian engine, the Kryptonians lost controll of it and did not want to destroy the moon, their moon.

An example of leaving out context to boost an feat of Glads. Gladiator traveling 100 x speed of light.
With context. An almost Nova level explosion which Glads contained send him fyling towards earth with 100 x speed of light. He was the piece of debris.

And yes you are not worth debating anymore (if you cann call this a debate), it's useless you will forever stay blind to all feats of the chars you hate. This "i don't want to talk to you, because you disagree with me"-tactic works both ways btw.

Oh, and this is an open forum, if you wish to debate this only with PR then by all means, PM him.

Originally posted by Spire
My comment specifically had to do with this thread and your failings in it; especially the last couple of pages. Props for reaffirming your illiteracy.

Now, I know that you don't actually read comics and just troll several boards in favor of in one company gathering and recycling other poster's arguments for personal use after adding your own touch of fail to the mix. However, what find hilarious, is that despite your great love affair with Thanos, you haven't even read the whole 8 comics that he has been in.

If you had read his comics, you would have easily been able to make an argument based off of the material provided in said book. I'll just go ahead and do that for you.

One:

And Two:

You gotta do the cooking by the book.

To suggest a ridiculous stance such as this is a clear case of not understanding the story itself.

I don't even know if this guy's a real poster and the fact you actually ran to get scans to back me up is a step in the right direction for you. Thanos has also been in a lot more than 8 comics.

I also don't have to post scans every time someone assumes something ridiculous. LOL.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm sorry to say this quan but Spire owned you (even though I tend to never agree with him).

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I just gave you an example of your discredit tactics, though with an character you actually don't hate. So you can see yourself how retarted such a tactic is.

You won't respond because you know that you always leave out the context to low ball the chars you hate and to make the feats of the chars you like more impressive.

You do not debate, you do the word injustice.

You simple can't accept the fact that Superman has the better feats, you will simply ignore those you don't like and discredit everything else. Going by Strength (book with infinite pages), showings (fights against Skyfather beings like Darkseid) and durbability (Maggedon) Superman > Gladiator.

You demand always an exact dublicate of something before you accept it and even then it's tricky for your brain to grasp it without serious bias.

"Show me Superman lifting something heavy as a building with both feats on the ground"

SCAN

"No that's not good enough, we don't know how heavy it was, heck i can show you others carry heavier things. Show me supes lifting a Planet with both feats on the ground and hise nose in his ass."

SCAN

"No, that's not the same, the write does not state that this Planet has an atmosphere, it has to be sort of a giant rock...."

The Kryptonian Moon is a pretty good example of you "debate tactic". Leaving out context in order to low ball Supes. The moon was moved by an Kryptonian engine, the Kryptonians lost controll of it and did not want to destroy the moon, their moon.

An example of leaving out context to boost an feat of Glads. Gladiator traveling 100 x speed of light.
With context. An almost Nova level explosion which Glads contained send him fyling towards earth with 100 x speed of light. He was the piece of debris.

And yes you are not worth debating anymore (if you cann call this a debate), it's useless you will forever stay blind to all feats of the chars you hate. This "i don't want to talk to you, because you disagree with me"-tactic works both ways btw.

Oh, and this is an open forum, if you wish to debate this only with PR then by all means, PM him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What's the need for these scans anyways? It's a ridiculous assessment holding no truth in it whatsoever.

To suggest a ridiculous stance such as this is a clear case of not understanding the story itself.

Yet, you responded several times.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't even know if this guy's a real poster and the fact you actually ran to get scans to back me up is a step in the right direction for you.

Only, that wasn't the reason I posted the scans. It was to demonstrate that you don't read comics, let alone understand them, and how easy it was to dispel the accusation. Another reason was to display how if someone would have actually read the book, it would have been impossible to miss such a thing regardless of which angle you were arguing from.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has also been in a lot more than 8 comics.

No, he hasn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I also don't have to post scans every time someone assumes something ridiculous. LOL.

Now, aside from the real reason being you 'can't' post any scans because you don't read comics rather than the copout 'I don't have to', if you are going to respond to something you should at least have read the source material and know what it is you're talking about. Also, one technically doesn't need to post scans, as they could easily just reference the events and happenings that transpired in the book.

So, all in all, your feeble attempt to explain away your fail is:

It was a ridiculous assertion, yet, you responded to him several times anyways and that you don't need to post scans(or even textual references) when ridiculous things are said; instead just responding to them repeatedly failing to mention anything of worth is good enough.

Originally posted by BUSTER BLADER!!
He contained that explosion, yet you say it blew him back at 100x lightspeed, in the direction of earth.. To the city he wanted to go to.. right in front of the Baxter building??? to the spot where his foes were??That explosion has verrrry good aim. In other words.. You are wrong.

Comics defy logic. Reed stated it. Glads is the debris. 🙂

Originally posted by BUSTER BLADER!!
Thanos knows gladiator is 4x stronger.

this MIGHT be the single most unbelieveable statement i've ever seen posted in the forum. 😐

Originally posted by Spire
Yet, you responded several times.

Only, that wasn't the reason I posted the scans. It was to demonstrate that you don't read comics, let alone understand them, and how easy it was to dispel the accusation. Another reason was to display how if someone would have actually read the book, it would have been impossible to miss such a thing regardless of which angle you were arguing from.

No, he hasn't.

Now, aside from the real reason being you 'can't' post any scans because you don't read comics rather than the copout 'I don't have to', if you are going to respond to something you should at least have read the source material and know what it is you're talking about. Also, one technically doesn't need to post scans, as they could easily just reference the events and happenings that transpired in the book.

So, all in all, your feeble attempt to explain away your fail is:

It was a ridiculous assertion, yet, you responded to him several times anyways and that you don't need to post scans(or even textual references) when ridiculous things are said; instead just responding to them repeatedly failing to mention anything of worth is good enough.

I attacked his logic which was horrid. if someone says superman can't fly and you mock him and I come in and post scans of him flying does this mean anything. You're obsessed with me. That's fine you aren't the first nor will you be the last.

Again, it was a ridiculous statement in which you deemed it worthy enough to post scans for and make sidenotes on.

I didn't miss anything. You posted scans backing me up against a ridiculous stance to begin with.

You saying Thanos hasn't appeared in more than 8 comics is worse than his Gladiator is 4 times as strong as Thanos theory. How many issues was Infinity Abyss? How many issues was Infinity Gauntlet? How many issues was Infinity War? I guess math is something else you struggle in.

I've posted scans multiple times from infinity abyss. I don't post scans most of the time anymore unless I am really into an argument or want to. Most posters on here don't rush to post scans when someone claims something ridiculous you fool.

Take the odin vs. Galactus debate. Only after I went back and forth did I feel the need to post the scans even though I think they clearly downplayed Odin being attacked from multiple angles. If they wouldn't have continued to press me on it I would have let it go because I simply don't have the energy to post scans in every little debate I get into on this forum.

I also post about 40 times as often as you. You putting all your energy into posting scans against a ridiculous theory everyone else laughed about speaks volumes about you as a person.
Yes, I attacked his logic with a quick response about how faulty his logic was. It also amused me someone could misinterpret the comic as badly as he did. Then again you're the same guy who claimed Superman oneshotted Thor showing you don't even know what oneshot means.

Originally posted by leonidas
this MIGHT be the single most unbelieveable statement i've ever seen posted in the forum. 😐

Thanos knows superman is 4000x stronger

Originally posted by manx422
Thanos knows superman is 4000x stronger

Originally posted by leonidas
this MIGHT be the single most unbelieveable statement i've ever seen posted in the forum. 😐

He means strength only. Thanos is still more powerful and with his amped punches more deadly, probably.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
He means strength only. Thanos is still more powerful and with his amped punches more deadly, probably.

Originally posted by leonidas
this MIGHT be the single most unbelieveable statement i've ever seen posted in the forum. 😐

I want to know how Gladiator became exactly four times stronger.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, quick responses which take all but thirty seconds. I've also responded to banned sock accounts. You don't see me running around posting scans every time someone posts something ridiculous. The fact you felt this argument was even worthy of a scan says something about you and the insecurities you must have.

I attacked his logic which was horrid. if someone says superman can't fly and you mock him and I come in and post scans of him flying does this mean anything. You're obsessed with me. That's fine you aren't the first nor will you be the last.

Again, it was a ridiculous statement in which you deemed it worthy enough to post scans for and make sidenotes on.

I didn't miss anything. You posted scans backing me up against a ridiculous stance to begin with.

You saying Thanos hasn't appeared in more than 8 comics is worse than his Gladiator is 4 times as strong as Thanos theory. How many issues was Infinity Abyss? How many issues was Infinity Gauntlet? How many issues was Infinity War? I guess math is something else you struggle in.

I've posted scans multiple times from infinity abyss. I don't post scans most of the time anymore unless I am really into an argument or want to. Most posters on here don't rush to post scans when someone claims something ridiculous you fool.

Take the odin vs. Galactus debate. Only after I went back and forth did I feel the need to post the scans even though I think they clearly downplayed Odin being attacked from multiple angles. If they wouldn't have continued to press me on it I would have let it go because I simply don't have the energy to post scans in every little debate I get into on this forum.

I also post about 40 times as often as you. You putting all your energy into posting scans against a ridiculous theory everyone else laughed about speaks volumes about you as a person.

Yes, I attacked his logic with a quick response about how faulty his logic was. It also amused me someone could misinterpret the comic as badly as he did. Then again you're the same guy who claimed Superman oneshotted Thor showing you don't even know what oneshot means.

Exactly. By spire's logic if you can't post scans everytime someone says something completely asinine then you lost the debate. That's spire for you.

Scans, scans, scans this, scans that... just reference the context and happenings from the book if you were going to respond to him repeatedly. In other words, one of the points you attempted to dodge. Truly, this knowledge will be of great use to you in your assignment below(concession).

Thanos being in 8 comics was sarcasm. facepalm

Please address the two points below with no dodges, or sidetracks, and in under 50 words. Shouldn't be difficult at all:

It was a ridiculous assertion, yet, you responded to him several times anyways and that you didn't need to post scans(or even textual references) when ridiculous things were said; instead just responding to them repeatedly failing to mention anything of worth is good enough.

Originally posted by leonidas
this MIGHT be the single most unbelieveable statement i've ever seen posted in the forum. 😐