Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, if you mean trading blows with another bot, then no. But it did display SS's speed, his agility, and his ability to cut a Transformer clean in half with one swipe.
Saying he cut a transformer in half with one swipe is complete falsification.
If you do not know the difference between a swipe, and having someone run through your sword, you are a moron.
Originally posted by QuincyLet me rephrase, it displayed his strength. He held the blade in place while it cut through Sideways. It also displayed the cutting ability of his blades. Better? 🙄
Saying he cut a transformer in half with one swipe is complete falsification.If you do not know the difference between a swipe, and having someone run through your sword, you are a moron.
Having it considered a display of strength is something that is debatable. He used Sideways own momentum against him.
His sword is sharp. Was that really something that needed to be said?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, I am rolling my eyes because you felt the need to call me a moron.
So you are saying you don't know the difference between a swipe and having someone run through your sword?
Originally posted by Quincy
Having it considered a display of strength is something that is debatable. He used Sideways own momentum against him.His sword is sharp. Was that really something that needed to be said?
So you are saying you don't know the difference between a swipe and having someone run through your sword?
I just clarified that it displayed SS's strength, the ability to hold the blade in place while it cut Sideways in two was uber.
Yes, I know the difference between a swipe and a run through. Do you know the meaning of the word clarification?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I just clarified that it displayed SS's strength, the ability to hold the blade in place while it cut Sideways in two was uber.
Now when you say uber, you are saying that Sideswipe's ability to hold his own sword is something really spectacular?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, I know the difference between a swipe and a run through. Do you know the meaning of the word clarification?
I said: Anyone who doesn't know the difference between a swipe and someone running through a sword is a moron.
You said : You called me a moron.
That would mean you don't know the difference between a swipe of a sword, and someone running through one.
Originally posted by QuincyIt displayed one of the following:
Now when you say uber, you are saying that Sideswipe's ability to hold his own sword is something really spectacular?
1. The sharpness of his blades
2. His strength
3. Both
I said: Anyone who doesn't know the difference between a swipe and someone running through a sword is a moron.No, I assumed you were actually calling me a moron, I assumed wrong. Apologies?You said : You called me a moron.
That would mean you don't know the difference between a swipe of a sword, and someone running through one.
How can it display one and both of the following?
Is that all you have left? Saying his blades are sharp? Why would he carry blunt blades? He is a robot in a war with other robots. Obviously he is going to carry weaponry that's in-keeping with this.
Also, to claim it shows his strength is VERY contentious considering Sideways is an Audi that was speeding in a favourable direction.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, if you mean trading blows with another bot, then no. But it did display SS's speed, his agility, and his ability to cut a Transformer clean in half with one swipe.I find it hard to believe that SS was able to show that kind of speed and agility, and what he did with his blades, and that he would suck balls h2h, don't you?
Not really.
Him catching a fleeing Decepticon and doing what he did doesn't make him a great fighter. It means you have seen that his blades are sharp and he is fast. To you, this means "Well, he MUST have great fighting ability then.".
I find it hard to believe that you find that acceptable.
If he was as good as you claim, he would have gone into the desert battle against those frail and skeletal Genericons and cut them to ribbons. He stood behind a wall firing his gun. You assume he is fast enough and capable enough to go around whooping based on him being fast and having sharp swords. This is ridiculous because there are multiple points in the movie where he could have got into the mix, but didn't.
Also worth noting is that he was cowering away when there was a firefight, so it's safe to assume he knows it can damage him. If he were fast enough to not get hit and badass enough to slice and dice, would he not have been in there killing them? Yes.
He literally - no matter what how hard you and DDM argue(s for you) - has not displayed any hand-to-hand combat skill.
EVERYTHING you base your decision on is hyperbole you've created. All of us - the ones you claim are fanboys - are going by what has factually occured in the film.
There isn't any logical or sensible way you can sit there and argue for Sideswipe winning. All you've got is: "I really believe he'd be a badass fighter.", sorry but that's not enough to win this debate.
Doesn't matter what you'd believe he would be, if he ever had a fight. What matters is what's seen or not seen.
What's seen is Bumblebee displaying skilled fighting to take out and kill multiple Decepticons, two at once. One was armed with a spiked mace (Barricade).
What has not been seen is Sideswipe fighting.
Now, I know it is not beyond you - with continual blatant proof forced on you - to admit you've lost. So why don't you?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriAC, I already said a few pages ago I was done going on and on and on about this, you know my argument inside and out, forwards and backwards, I'm not going to repeat it and repeat it and repeat it again, I think SS would win, I haven't been convinced he wouldn't win. You think BB would win, you haven't been convinced BB wouldn't win, can't we just leave it at that?
How can it display one and both of the following?Is that all you have left? Saying his blades are sharp? Why would he carry blunt blades? He is a robot in a war with other robots. Obviously he is going to carry weaponry that's in-keeping with this.
Also, to claim it shows his strength is VERY contentious considering Sideways is an Audi that was speeding in a favourable direction.
Not really.
Him catching a fleeing Decepticon and doing what he did doesn't make him a great fighter. It means you have seen that his blades are sharp and he is fast. To you, this means "Well, he MUST have great fighting ability then.".
I find it hard to believe that you find that acceptable.
If he was as good as you claim, he would have gone into the desert battle against those frail and skeletal Genericons and cut them to ribbons. He stood behind a wall firing his gun.
He literally - no matter what how hard you and DDM argue(s for you) - has not displayed any hand-to-hand combat skill.
EVERYTHING you base your decision on is hyperbole you've created. All of us - the ones you claim are fanboys - are going by what has factually occured in the film.
There isn't any logical or sensible way you can sit there and argue for Sideswipe winning. All you've got is: "I really believe he'd be a badass fighter.", sorry but that's not enough to win this debate.
Doesn't matter what you'd believe he would be, if he ever had a fight. What matters is what's seen or not seen.
What's seen is Bumblebee displaying skilled fighting to take out and kill multiple Decepticons, two at once. One was armed with a spiked mace (Barricade).
What has not been seen is Sideswipe fighting.
Now, I know it is not beyond you - with continual blatant proof forced on you - to admit you've lost. So why don't you?
-AC
You're not, though.
You stay in this thread regardless, and when your DDM returns, you'll start agreeing with him again. If you're done, then be done, is all I'm suggesting. If you're sticking around to debate, as you're welcome to, then debate.
Secondly, based on what, though?
There must be more to your argument. There has to be more than "Based on that one scene where he proved he was fast with sharp blades, I feel he is a badass one-on-one fighter.".
Your argument is illogical, flawed, non-sensical and the basis for it does not support everything else you believe. Your belief is not supported by that on-screen feat. It can't be because there is literally and inarguably nothing in that scene that suggests he is a good combatant.
As soon as a certain someone isn't here for you to agree with and steal arguments from, you clam up. Despite all the evidence that counters you, still you don't admit you're out-debated here.
It's truly baffling.
-AC
When all logic, reason and sense is so routinely ignored by one side,
its not up to that side to say "well we've just got our differing opinions."
As the BB sides ones are based on logic, reason and sense, whereas the pro sideswipe bandwagon brigade debate merely from blind faith, ignorance of fighting.
Sideswipe showed only elusiveness with his foot wheel speed, and that he has a melee weapon. (As if Bumbleebee isnt elusive, fast and eqiupped with weapons of greater range.)
The one citing of Sideswipe's prowess showed only that he understands the principles of how a sawmill works. 🙂
(Logs are fed onto it, their weight and movement onto the anchored saw aiding the cutting action of the log..)
Now if SS has the ability to do that without having his opponent transform into a car, and then run at fullspeed onto the blade, it might be a different matter, but all his "H2H" prowess came to was that his doenst fight either h2h defensively or offensively.
(Armed with weapon, He "Fights" a sports car that doesn't fight back)
BB wins, in all likelihood.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No. He flips over sideways, hurls his right hand blade into sideways's hood, lands, reattaches the same blade to his right hand, then holds it in place as sideways is cut in half.
How many times do we have to adress this to you two? He used Sideways own momentum against him. All that jibberish praising Sideswipe's aglity is irrelevant. All of the Autobots are capable of doing 'Spider-Man'-like things. Ironhide is the tank of the group and he had the best agility feat shown so far onscreen. Ratchet, Jazz, Bumblebee, Prime, Starscream, and Blackout have all done impressive agility feats. So we don't need you trying to pass off an agility feat as a reason he'll beat Bumblebee.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, if you mean trading blows with another bot, then no. But it did display SS's speed, his agility, and his ability to cut a Transformer clean in half with one swipe.I find it hard to believe that SS was able to show that kind of speed and agility, and what he did with his blades, and that he would suck balls h2h, don't you?
1.You just said yourself what we've been trying to get to you to. You admit that no fight took place. This means you are going off of assumption. I'd call it quits if I were you. 😬
2.I don't think that he sucks in H2H. But capable of taking on Bumblebee? No, we can't assume that he's better than the Autobot who has more fights onscreen.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No. He flips over sideways, hurls his right hand blade into sideways's hood, lands, reattaches the same blade to his right hand, then holds it in place as sideways is cut in half. See, it's posts like this that make me wonder about your attention span.
My bad, it was late, no need to turn into a smug shit-stain, considering your long list of seeing shit that didn't happen.
Okay, instead of "lowering a blade", he "grabs a blade". The argument hasn't changed. It wasn't a H2H fight. SW didn't attack back, SW didn't defend himself; all SW did was run away.
Originally posted by Bardock42
This thread is also weird. It seems it could be easily resolved if both sides just admit what they know is blatantly obvious. That there's way too little information to judge this.
We go off what is seen, not what fancies we believe, our personal likes or what we know from our childhood and/or other media.
Going off screen-feats, BB is the far superior combatant. Logically, that should have been the end of it.
As a kid, Jazz was my favourite Autobot, had the toy, the white Porsche. I'm not going to argue that movie-Jazz could defeat movie-Starscream though.
Originally posted by Robtard
We go off what is seen, not what fancies we believe, our personal likes or what we know from our childhood and/or other media.Going off screen-feats, BB is the far superior combatant. Logically, that should have been the end of it.
As a kid, Jazz was my favourite Autobot, had the toy, the white Porsche. I'm not going to argue that movie-Jazz could defeat movie-Starscream though.
Precisely.
G1 Sideswipe would absolutely murder G1 Bumblebee, whilst simultaneously taking the piss out of Sunstreaker for being so conceited/vain.
But in the desperately sucky Bay universe, Bumblebee gets to be a kickass warrior, whereas SS is reduced to a superficial and largely redundant capacity.... 🙁