Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Prime was badass, but too badass.In the '80s movie he had a fight with Megatron (THE fight with Megatron) that was a culmination of the whole war at that point. He still had a high degree of honour, even though it ultimately cost him his life.
Prime in Revenge of the Fallen seemed to go beyond heroism with his violence. It seemed as though, at times, he was getting off on how violent he was. I heard that somewhere and I agree.
-AC
Na.
He had 4(5?) guys trying to kill him and Sam. Ripping apart someones face was the adequate amount of force.
The Fallen was trying to kill everything on Earth, again, adequate amount of force.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I took it as Prime going into rage mode, like he knew his balls were to the wall, backed into a corner.....all that shit.
Prime doesn't "rage".
Just like Megatron doesn't go down on one knee to ANYONE, EVER.
Bear in mind, I really enjoyed it despite a lot of glaring and ridiculous flaws. I don't necessarily share the hate of if that Sadako has.
Though, I do understand it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriNow you have me curious about the Transformer comics.
Prime doesn't "rage".Just like Megatron doesn't go down on one knee to ANYONE, EVER.
Bear in mind, I really enjoyed it despite a lot of glaring and ridiculous flaws. I don't necessarily share the hate of if that Sadako has.
Though, I do understand it.
-AC
Im pretty sure that the comic was first....
US marvel's Bob Budiansky (writer/editor) renamed the previous diaclone and-what- have-you models, and wrote the tech specs.... He is who named Prime Prime and Megatron megatron.
Also, the forms of the characters were slightly different to the cartoon for the first buncha issues (UK), first couple (US) and solidified into designs that looked like the cartoon in issue 3-4(US) (Issue 5-8 UK)..
And I had definitely UK issue 3 of the comic before seeing the cartoon on its Wacaday release over here..
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Prime doesn't "rage".Just like Megatron doesn't go down on one knee to ANYONE, EVER.
Bear in mind, I really enjoyed it despite a lot of glaring and ridiculous flaws. I don't necessarily share the hate of if that Sadako has.
Though, I do understand it.
-AC
Absolutely. In fact, when every other TF seemed to be getting infected by the hate plague, and turning all and sundry infected with that hate plague, Prime was the only one to hold his shit together.(Albeit thanks to some fancy protective plating that shielded against infection.)
The only time in the cartoon that I remember, was when the deceps sabotaged the Autobots in their reenergizing stage in the cartoon, and nearly all the Autobots was turned all evil and rampagey.
True about Megatron, with only these largely spoilerless extentuating circumstances:
Shockwave, A two bit gangsta lucky enough to find megatron when he was cerebrally damaged after a cliff fall in a battle against the Dinobots, Lord Straxus, Galvatron and Unicron.. (comic)
And Prime occasionally,(as matter of deception in trying to fool Prime in the movie) Starscream (-backed by Bruticus) and Unicron. (Cartoon)
In almost every case there, Megatron had literally no choice but to obey.
And Bay Movie Megatron was tough enough to kill Prime, yet couldnt stand up to a character that Prime so easily killed...? Makes no sense.....!!!
Hence my lasting respect for G1 Megatron as a non-grovelling character.
But Bay's The fallen was waaaaay too shitty and relatively unknown to just push Megatron around like his subserviant.
On your last point,
Fair play and thank you. 🙂
Budiansky was after furman, and Furman didnt even start writing 'til a way in on the UK run... (The excellent UK story "Enemy within"😉
(Which BTW, was drawn along with other 1st year UK stories with the TFs being portayed in the toy forms, as we hadnt got the cartoon over here til mid-late 85, and US marvel hadnt been too sharing apparently with the UK offices...so they had techspecs and toys to go off of, as well as the 1st 4 US comics produced for character reference.)
Flint Dille reckons the comic book was first on the 20th anniversary movie DVD extras.
And its very clear that Ratchet, Ironhide being portrayed in their windshield faced/complete with "trailer" parts, along with the appearances of nearly all the characters very notably major players like Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Prowl, Huffer, Soundwave, etc in the first couple of issues, that that work was done before collaboration Sunbow with/drawing designs that were based more around the cartoon..
There can be no other explaination for the same artist completely re-revising his designs 3 issues in...
So the comic was first-looking, even if by a margin of a couple of weeks or whatever.
Also in the first UK comics, there were promo poster pages of pre-cartoon designs that were animated in/from early toy commercials.
That may suggest the order being commercial anime>Comic>Cartoon series order compressed into a short space of time like a month or two.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriSo someone like me, who really likes the movies and wants to go back to the beginning, would you suggest the cartoons first, then the comics?
I'm not talking about the comics. I'm talking about the show. That was the first kind of Transformers fiction.The comics came after. I don't like them.
-AC
Originally posted by Quincy
WOW 20 pages.
Indeed. I can't believe it lasted this long.
To, me, this thread almost borders on spite to get at the BB fanboys...though that would be giving RJ too much "credit."*
*RJ, I'm saying "credit" is intended sarcastically, meaning I mean the opposite when I "say" "credit."