Idea for solving illegal immigration

Illegal immigration is a problem because it reduces demand in the labor market and therefore drives down wages and employment and destroys the middle class. Arguably, a lot of conservatives punish people and not employers and support things like amnesty specifically to eliminate the middle class. It's controversial, there are a lot of different ideas and opinions, but here is my plan. Just wondering what you guys thought of it.

1. Fine companies $10,000,000 per illegal immigrant hired.
2. Use 10% of fines collected to set up civil service programs such as CCC, AmeriCorps, etc. that will keep people out of the labor market.
3. Offer caught illegal immigrants three choices: 1. deportation. 2. a stint the civil service. 3. a stint in military service.
4. They will be provided housing for civil service and the length of their term in either civil or military service will depend on the demand for labor at the moment of arrest. A person who serves a term of service as a civilian will earn legal residency and the right to work, (twice time + basic education and language) will earn citizenship. A tour of military duty + said education will earn citizenship.
5. No undocumented immigrant will be able to serve as a commissioned officer in the military or in intelligence or in special forces.
6. Institute social security taxes on 100% of the working population regardless of how much a person is paid.
7. Lower the retirement age back down to 55.

This way, people will be able to work and contribute, businesses will be punished for breaking the law, and those same workers will not negatively affect the labor demand and therefore wages, benefits, unions, and jobs since they will be kept out of the labor market while demand is low.

thoughts?

Place a bunch of these along the border:

"You have three seconds to comply."

Originally posted by Robtard
Place a bunch of these along the border:

"You have three seconds to comply."

That would be cool. I would pay money to watch. 😎

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Illegal immigration is a problem because it reduces demand in the labor market and therefore drives down wages and employment and destroys the middle class. Arguably, a lot of conservatives punish people and not employers and support things like amnesty specifically to eliminate the middle class. It's controversial, there are a lot of different ideas and opinions, but here is my plan. Just wondering what you guys thought of it.

1. Fine companies $10,000,000 per illegal immigrant hired.

Sounds good. But it needs to be revenue based since 10,000,000 to a small business is waaaaaaaay too much and 10,000,000 to a mega-corp like Wal-Mart can be insured against, mitigated, and avoided through big-dollar projects to avoid multiple violations.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
2. Use 10% of fines collected to set up civil service programs such as CCC, AmeriCorps, etc. that will keep people out of the labor market.

Commission fails as soon as we have almost universal compliance, which would be inevitable. Then, the program has to be justified, kept in place, enforced, etc. with money that was not originally provisioned for.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
3. Offer caught illegal immigrants three choices: 1. deportation. 2. a stint the civil service. 3. a stint in military service.

All of that coupled with a program to get them naturalized with a more streamlined naturalization process.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
4. They will be provided housing for civil service and the length of their term in either civil or military service will depend on the demand for labor at the moment of arrest. A person who serves a term of service as a civilian will earn legal residency and the right to work, (twice time + basic education and language) will earn citizenship. A tour of military duty + said education will earn citizenship.

Lemme get this straight: I bust into your house, you catch me, and you provide me with room and board if I work for you? Sounds like blackmail. awehawe

Originally posted by Darth Jello
5. No undocumented immigrant will be able to serve as a commissioned officer in the military or in intelligence or in special forces.

Cool. I agree.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
6. Institute social security taxes on 100% of the working population regardless of how much a person is paid.

Kewl. BUT DATS SOCIALISM! scream

Originally posted by Darth Jello
7. Lower the retirement age back down to 55.

Elminate the retirement age, altogether, elminate SS, and put SS programs in the hands of the private sector with regulatory oversight from the government. Retirement age would then be set by the individual and their retirement plan.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
This way, people will be able to work and contribute, businesses will be punished for breaking the law, and those same workers will not negatively affect the labor demand and therefore wages, benefits, unions, and jobs since they will be kept out of the labor market while demand is low.

thoughts?

I agree, somewhat.

I want to put SS into the hands of the private sector. Sure, risk would increase, but it could be minimized with proper regulation and oversight, which is what I think government should really do..not this "run everything and have a program for everything."

But, altogether, we should decrease the naturalization time, stream-line some of the processes, and, as you said, probably make the current illegals, legal. We also need to create fines, like you said.

1, 2 and 7 sound a bit stupid.

Originally posted by Robtard
Place a bunch of these along the border:

"You have three seconds to comply."

Or the sentry guns from Aliens 😄

Originally posted by Robtard
Place a bunch of these along the border:

"You have three seconds to comply."

they be strip by nightfall.. 😎

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
they be strip by nightfall.. 😎

lulz

😖hifty:

Originally posted by Darth Jello

3. Offer caught illegal immigrants three choices: 1. deportation. 2. a stint the civil service. 3. a stint in military service.

thoughts?

Oh right, because this would certainly not be at all open to exploitation and slave labour.

Why even wait for illegal immigrants? Just go find some dirt poor people in some god forsaken country, promise them the citizenship and give them a gun.

If I was anybody in Al-Quaida, I'd instantly forget suicide bombing recruitment. Instead send few hundred thousand illegal immigrants to America and wait for you to give them all guns.

In fact, just selectivelly wait for illegal immigrants from Uganda and Rawanda! They're already trained to murder since they were 5.
With this kind of policy America could keep at least another 10 fronts, including North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Russia maybe even China and Saudi Arabia.

American politicians must be dumb not have not thought of this.

just give us back our country and continent and stop referring to us as illegals 😖hifty: we prefer to be called actual native continental americans

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Illegal immigration is a problem because it reduces demand in the labor market and therefore drives down wages and employment and destroys the middle class. Arguably, a lot of conservatives punish people and not employers and support things like amnesty specifically to eliminate the middle class. It's controversial, there are a lot of different ideas and opinions, but here is my plan. Just wondering what you guys thought of it.

1. Fine companies $10,000,000 per illegal immigrant hired.
2. Use 10% of fines collected to set up civil service programs such as CCC, AmeriCorps, etc. that will keep people out of the labor market.
3. Offer caught illegal immigrants three choices: 1. deportation. 2. a stint the civil service. 3. a stint in military service.
4. They will be provided housing for civil service and the length of their term in either civil or military service will depend on the demand for labor at the moment of arrest. A person who serves a term of service as a civilian will earn legal residency and the right to work, (twice time + basic education and language) will earn citizenship. A tour of military duty + said education will earn citizenship.
5. No undocumented immigrant will be able to serve as a commissioned officer in the military or in intelligence or in special forces.
6. Institute social security taxes on 100% of the working population regardless of how much a person is paid.
7. Lower the retirement age back down to 55.

This way, people will be able to work and contribute, businesses will be punished for breaking the law, and those same workers will not negatively affect the labor demand and therefore wages, benefits, unions, and jobs since they will be kept out of the labor market while demand is low.

thoughts?

Easy....Illegal Imigrant TAX Law.

If your production involved illegal imigrants and you were caught you will be tax for using illegals.

Fines just hampers the business....and puts them on the opposite side of the law. Tax them...not fine them.

omg, armchair politics on teh internetz. A few of those seem illegally authoritarian, and not plausible in any sense. #1 alone would cause open revolt.

Originally posted by Digi
omg, armchair politics on teh internetz. A few of those seem illegally authoritarian, and not plausible in any sense. #1 alone would cause open revolt.

#1 sounds like a deliberate exaggeration, even for him.

Originally posted by Digi
omg, armchair politics on teh internetz. A few of those seem illegally authoritarian, and not plausible in any sense. #1 alone would cause open revolt.

Originally posted by Digi
omg, armchair politics on teh internetz.

1. Desk chair. awesome
2. That's what happens in the GDF....a lot. 😐

Make other countries better imo.

It's not slave labor if your paying people, people in both civillian and military service get paid and pay taxes.

I have no ****ing problem punishing businesses for breaking the law and punishing them so they feel it. Believe me, if Wal-Mart was fined $10 million per illegal immigrant, they would be out several billion very quickly.
This way you're not detaining immigrants indefinitely, your creating a path to citizenship, you're not hurting the labor market, and you're punishing the system that creates and reinforces illegal immigration.

Also, why shouldn't rich people have to pay social security taxes?

I think it's funny how pro-Anti Illegal Immigration yanks are, you're a country OF illegal immigrants. Hahaha.

Also, I heard a few stories from your border patrolmen, pretty corrupt, they take money and some other less appropriate 'favours' to allow them into the country.

Here's an easy simpler way to solve the immigration problem: get better security at the borders. Seriously, all those guards must be like Homer Simpson, sleeping on the job and surprisingly not fired yet.

Originally posted by ChakraStrings
I think it's funny how pro-Anti Illegal Immigration yanks are, you're a country OF illegal immigrants. Hahaha.

Most of our ancestors were imigrants, yes, but not illegal.

Originally posted by ChakraStrings
Also, I heard a few stories from your border patrolmen, pretty corrupt, they take money and some other less appropriate 'favours' to allow them into the country.

Yeah, that's almost as bad as politicians (who are rich, no less) using tax payer dollars to buy personal items:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124273087403034141.html

You'll be hard pressed to find a border patrolman with more than one home, much less a 13th century manor that has a moat that needed cleaning. 😐