Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That was AFTER the fight with Yammy. At that point in time (vs. Yammy) Ichigo never knew that by drawing on more power from Zangetsu, Shirosaki would be able to take over.
Seems to me that Ichigo has a pretty good idea of whats happening in the first frame of this scan.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/193/20/
Sorry for the double post.
Seems to me that Ichigo was refusing to let him take control in the first frame of that scan.
Not only that, but he was thinking 'Go Away Go Away Go Away Go Away' a few pages back. Now why would he think that, if all he needed to do was to lower his power so that Shirosaki would not take control?
As a matter of fact, why would he clutch his head if he wasn't struggling with Shirosaki? Wouldn't he be trying to fight Yammy instead of clutching his head if what you think is true?
Seriously, that quote refers to Ichigo fighting for control with 'Shirosaki' (though I have no idea where that came from. Personally I prefer to call him Ogihci), so when Ichigo's power fluctuates to being stronger that Ulq its becuase Shiro is on top becuase Shiro>>>>>>Ichigo, then Ichigo represses him again and he becomes 'trash' etc.
Originally posted by Micheal_Myers
The embed on the video above didnt work. Sorry. Here's a link...
I disagree they seemed entirely even. Ichigo being Ichigo wasn't in the game which is the only reason he was loosing.
He only used his mask to protect Inoue.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Fair enough. Though you could have at least stated that you would reply later 😛.Nothing to do with my happiness, though it's nice to see that you are concerned about that w00t.
I think your theory explains mine better than i did.
I now see it that when Shirosaki said he became the dominate force within Ichigo he meant what you were saying.
This explains what i think perfectly. Simply said
Originally posted by Nephthys
Seriously, that quote refers to Ichigo fighting for control with 'Shirosaki' (though I have no idea where that came from. Personally I prefer to call him Ogihci)
As a name Kurosaki means Black/Dark blade.
Shirosaki means Light/White blade.
Hence Shirosaki. typically if you put in into a search engine you'll get more hits than Ogihci, so it's just easier to only use that one name.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Seriously, that quote refers to Ichigo fighting for control with 'Shirosaki'
Correct.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I think your theory explains mine better than i did.I now see it that when Shirosaki said he became the dominate force within Ichigo he meant what you were saying.
This explains what i think perfectly. Simply said
It's still my theory...😛.
Though one thing I find odd is that the black lines increase which shows that Ichigo is embracing his hollow side, and yet Shirosaki is white.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Okay, let me say it like this.Pre-bankai Ichigo beat Kenpachi. Who beat Nnoitra, espada 5
Vizard ichigo beat Grimmjow, espada 6
Peak Bankai Ichigo beat Byakuya, who beat Zommori espada 7Are you seeing it from my PoV yet?
Yes. Ichigo's strength in each fight is gimped and Kenpachi's was waaaaay over-powered with his fight with #5.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Ugh, you are aware that the only possible Vasto Lorde's in the series is Wonderweiss and Stark. Right?
Barringan was the only confirmed Vasto Lorde. He was the "Lorde" of ALL Hallows. It doesn't get anymore definitive than that. Starrk and Wonderweiss are still speculation at this point. Even Ulq is not confirmed as a Vasto Lorde.
Now, I have another theory: Toshiro's statement was Hyperbole designed specifically to "drum up" hype for the Espada.
And, your idea about Ichigo getting weaker WOULD explain everything, it is justi has too many contradictions. At one point, someone (maybe it was Rukia), looks at Vizard Ichigo and is like "gaspity, he just keeps getting stronger" etc. Maybe that was in the anime.
There's other little tidbits like that, that would provide contradictions to that theory, I would have to read the manga a lot, though, to figure that out.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I disagree they seemed entirely even. Ichigo being Ichigo wasn't in the game which is the only reason he was loosing.He only used his mask to protect Inoue.
Grimmjow definitely gets an upper hand on him. Either way, if Ichigo didnt use his mask that Blue Cero probably would have messed him up bad, Inoue or not. Also, even though they seem to be on even footing. Look at their facial expressions as they cross swords. Grimmjow looks like he's having a grand old time, while Ichigo appears to be struggling a bit. The facial expressions is admittedly speculation though.
Either way, even or not. Grimmjow + another upgrade(release)>Bankai Ichigo>Byakuya.
As for Byakuya vs One Armed Grimmjow...I'm not soo sure anymore...
Originally posted by dadudemon
Barringan was the only confirmed Vasto Lorde. He was the "Lorde" of ALL Hallows. It doesn't get anymore definitive than that. Starrk and Wonderweiss are still speculation at this point. Even Ulq is not confirmed as a Vasto Lorde.Now, I have another theory: Toshiro's statement was Hyperbole designed specifically to "drum up" hype for the Espada.
And, your idea about Ichigo getting weaker WOULD explain everything, it is justi has too many contradictions. At one point, someone (maybe it was Rukia), looks at Vizard Ichigo and is like "gaspity, he just keeps getting stronger" etc. Maybe that was in the anime.
There's other little tidbits like that, that would provide contradictions to that theory, I would have to read the manga a lot, though, to figure that out.
Okay.... so he rule over a bunch of hollows in a large/super sized city area in the Japan region in the hollow world. That makes him the king of all hollows in all the world? I think that's a little silly. Given only Barragan claimed he was the king of all Hollows, and i think it's fair to say we all know how far up his own arse he was.
Barragan was surrounded by servants and minions all the time.
Any that were around stark, literally died from his spiritual pressure. Stark is in a different league to Barragan.
So far, Toshiro's statements are all we have on who is and is not a VL. There is less going for Barragan being one than against him, that's all there is to it.
I don't recall this. I remember her saying his power had become wild, or there along the lines of, but nothing of what you're saying.
It's just a theory of mine that has less plot holes than assuming all captains got a random power boost. I'm not saying "This is the truth, believe it" just that as i see it, this makes a heck of all more sense than what else we have for idea's.
Originally posted by Micheal_Myers
Either way, even or not. Grimmjow + another upgrade(release)>Bankai Ichigo>Byakuya.As for Byakuya vs One Armed Grimmjow...I'm not soo sure anymore...
A B C logic is a fail. Exactly why most peoples arguments for this fight doesn't do anything for me.
Originally posted by EvilAngelHe's not fat, he's an angry buff short old man who wears fur, has a crown, and has a battle-axe. He's a Viking. estahuh
Yeah, he's a fat smelly old man 😐I see. Well neither of us can 'prove' it, it's all down to opinion, right?
Of course, but that has never stopped me before. 131
Originally posted by NemeBro
He's not fat, he's an angry buff short old man who wears fur, has a crown, and has a battle-axe. He's a Viking. estahuhOf course, but that has never stopped me before. 131
He has a beer belly. Thing about him being a viking is, Viking are cool, he isn't 😛
....touche
Originally posted by King Kandy
If there were Hollows that weren't ruled by Barragan, he wouldn't have been sitting on his ass being bored, he would have been out trying to conquer them.
Why do you think this?
Originally posted by EvilAngel...Not really...Also, he is so clearly beyond awesome, you are simply blinded by the awesomeness and have become deluded to believe he is not. 131
He has a beer belly. Thing about him being a viking is, Viking are cool, he isn't 😛....touche
Why do you think this?
I winRAR is me. 😛
3. Well Barragan is arrogant, and has a desire to conquer and rule everyone that opposes him, why would he not?
The idea that the top Espada aren't Vasto lordes is as retarded as the people who insisted the strongest demons in Yu Yu Hakusho were never seen. You see Koenma said the strongest demons were way way down and we never went way way down. So obviously Raizen and Mokuro were just chumps and the real baddies were somewher eelse.
Honestly. People have so little faith in author's storytelling abilities. Even if you don't like Bleach, no authro is retarded enough to have all his strongest villains be second-rate to nothing.
I think you're confused.
I never said that VL's were never seen, i'm saying i just don't think Barragan is one. Nothing wrong with that since i've stated my reasons why i think that
Originally posted by NemeBro
...Not really...Also, he is so clearly beyond awesome, you are simply blinded by the awesomeness and have become deluded to believe he is not. 131I winRAR is me. 😛
3. Well Barragan is arrogant, and has a desire to conquer and rule everyone that opposes him, why would he not?
................Sure.... that has to be the answer.... *coughs*
He was under the belief he was a god. If so then one would think he assumed everyone and everything was under his rule. The fact he was unable to identify Aizen was a sign he's not aware of things beyond his borders.