Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No. Cap goes down quicker than shit. Annie and Obi, working together using force speed and force push, take him out fast. Then they turn on Wolvie.
Obi wan only showed that level of speed once, Anakin never did, and they can't move all that good on Endor. Wolverine and Cap on the other hand, are acrobatic as hell, they make good use of the trees. As for the Force Push, it wasn't shown to be all that strong, just pushed people a few feet through the air.
Anakin is more powerful than Obi, he can surely use force speed. And yes, they can use it any time they wish, it's not like a Jedi can use force speed once and only once in their life.
Obi Wan used force push as a padawan to push droids away, droids tht easily outweighed humans.
Jedi precog, dude. They will know what Wolvie and Cap will do before they do it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Anakin is more powerful than Obi, he can surely use force speed. And yes, they can use it any time they wish, it's not like a Jedi can use force speed once and only once in their life.Obi Wan used force push as a padawan to push droids away, droids tht easily outweighed humans.
Jedi precog, dude. They will know what Wolvie and Cap will do before they do it.
Movie feats man, Anakin was never shown using speed that Obi/Qui-Gon showed on the ship in Ep 1. And if Obi could use it whenever he wanted....why did he only do it once?
I've seen the movies, and I've seen what Force Push does, it doesn't push you much more than 10 feet or so through the air.
And yeah, they have precog, but both Wolverine and Cap are faster than normal human opponents, plus they can easily outlast the Jedi in a fight.
Originally posted by KingD19Listen to what you are saying. You are implying that a Jedi can use force speed only once during their career as a jedi. Like it will be exhausted after the one use. It's stupid.
Movie feats man, Anakin was never shown using speed that Obi/Qui-Gon showed on the ship in Ep 1. And if Obi could use it whenever he wanted....why did he only do it once?I've seen the movies, and I've seen what Force Push does, it doesn't push you much more than 10 feet or so through the air.
And yeah, they have precog, but both Wolverine and Cap are faster than normal human opponents, plus they can easily outlast the Jedi in a fight.
10 feet is more than enough.
No, Wolvie is not faster than a Jedi. Cap maybe.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Listen to what you are saying. You are implying that a Jedi can use force speed only once during their career as a jedi. Like it will be exhausted after the one use. It's stupid.10 feet is more than enough.
No, Wolvie is not faster than a Jedi. Cap maybe.
I'm just saying , Obi only used it once in his career, Anakin never displayed it at all, if they aren't shown doing it, they can't do it. Forum rules right?
And the Cap from the movie, pushing him 10 feet won't do anything, he'll roll and get right back in the fight.
And I said faster than a normal human, I never said he was faster than a Jedi, but Wolverine was handing it to Sabretooth and Omega Red.
Originally posted by KingD19Aahahahahahahaaa that's silly. Anakin is more powerful than Obi Wan but he can't use a power Obi Wan displayed? Fail, dude, fail. Anakin can use force speed, plain and simple. He showed a level of force speed when fighting Obi.
I'm just saying , Obi only used it once in his career, Anakin never displayed it at all, if they aren't shown doing it, they can't do it. Forum rules right?And the Cap from the movie, pushing him 10 feet won't do anything, he'll roll and get right back in the fight.
And I said faster than a normal human, I never said he was faster than a Jedi, but Wolverine was handing it to Sabretooth and Omega Red.
So he gets up, and? He'll never get close enough to them to even attack. Same for Wolvie.
Omega red, was Red in the movies?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Aahahahahahahaaa that's silly. Anakin is more powerful than Obi Wan but he can't use a power Obi Wan displayed? Fail, dude, fail. Anakin can use force speed, plain and simple. He showed a level of force speed when fighting Obi.So he gets up, and? He'll never get close enough to them to even attack. Same for Wolvie.
Omega red, was Red in the movies?
We're not using Origins, or X1-X3, this is Hulk vs Wolverine. Where he showed levels of speed, agility, strength, etc... far beyond the other movies.
I was under the assumption that if you were more powerful than someone, you didn't let them cut off 3/4 of your limbs. And while Anakin did show a level of combat speed, he didn't show movement speed, if we go by combat speed, then the jedi are in trouble, they moved slow compared to Cap/Wolvie, since you know Cartoons>>>>Human Actors.
Seriously, you don't want to defend the Marvel pair based on what a cartoon makes them appear capable of, or else anakin solos. Easily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmt8yPbSxj0&feature=related
He can fly. He can move faster than the eye can follow. He can throw huge pillars around easily with the force.
Or... Obi wan solos.
Originally posted by truejedi
Seriously, you don't want to defend the Marvel pair based on what a cartoon makes them appear capable of, or else anakin solos. Easily.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmt8yPbSxj0&feature=related
He can fly. He can move faster than the eye can follow. He can throw huge pillars around easily with the force.
Or... Obi wan solos.
That's nice, but read the OP genius, Obi and Anakin are from Revenge of the Sith, I've seen the original Clone Wars cartoon, and I know damn well what they can do, they sure couldn't do that in Revenge of the Sith, which is why I said, Cartoons>>>>Human Actors.
You don't want to defend the SW pair based on what the human actors are capable of.
Originally posted by KingD19
That's nice, but read the OP genius, Obi and Anakin are from Revenge of the Sith, I've seen the original Clone Wars cartoon, and I know damn well what they can do, they sure couldn't do that in Revenge of the Sith, which is why I said, Cartoons>>>>Human Actors.You don't want to defend the SW pair based on what the human actors are capable of.
This is quite simple. ROTS is after the events of the cartoons, thus anything depicted in those movies can also be assumed to be possible for the ROTS pair. Anything else is skewing the argument to fit your point of view, and nothing less.
Originally posted by KingD19I was under the assumption that if you were more powerful than someone, you didn't let them cut off 3/4 of your limbs. And while Anakin did show a level of combat speed, he didn't show movement speed, if we go by combat speed, then the jedi are in trouble, they moved slow compared to Cap/Wolvie, since you know Cartoons>>>>Human Actors.
You kidding me?
Look at 5:00, Anakin closes the gap between he and Obi wan, about 40 feet, in about a second.
Originally posted by Rogue JediI think your underestimating Rogers. He's taken massive falls and punches from the likes of the Hulk. So, Force pushes may not be as deadly as you say. He's been stabbed and shot, so lightsaber isn't guaranteed to be a one shot kill. He was shot 5 times in the second film, continuing on unworringly as if nothing happened, still performing up to par. Later, it is implyed that he refuses to go to medical.
No. Cap goes down quicker than shit. Annie and Obi, working together using force speed and force push, take him out fast.
Originally posted by Rogue JediProve it using film feats.
Anakin is more powerful than Obi,
Originally posted by Darth Martin
I think your underestimating Rogers. He's taken massive falls and punches from the likes of the Hulk. So, Force pushes may not be as deadly as you say. He's been stabbed and shot, so lightsaber isn't guaranteed to be a one shot kill. He was shot 5 times in the second film, continuing on unworringly as if nothing happened, still performing up to par. Later, it is implyed that he refuses to go to medical.Prove it using film feats.
So Cap can resist a lightsaber blade? Wow.
Anakin beat Dooku. Anakin had more midichlorians.
Originally posted by truejedi
This is quite simple. ROTS is after the events of the cartoons, thus anything depicted in those movies can also be assumed to be possible for the ROTS pair. Anything else is skewing the argument to fit your point of view, and nothing less.
Doesn't work like that, the Clone Wars cartoon is a different medium, Lucas said the Clone Wars Cartoon was what he envisioned the Jedi/Sith power levels to be like, but of course it's much lower in the movies. You can't use Clone Wars feats for ROTS.
And yeah, he used Force Jump, whoopty frickin doo.
I see a lot of up-playing of the Marvel characters and a lot of downplay to the Jedi (with some posts being silly enough to try and use something other than movies.)
In chronological order, this is how Logan can be killed:
1. Sabertooth said that he was going to enjoy killing Wolverine over the course of a couple of days. Obviously, Wolverine's healing factor gives out after a while and Logan would die.
2. Deathstrike was going to kill Logan by sticking a finger in Logan's brain steam.
Thoughts can be "heard" from the other people. If Wolverine even thinks of a way that he could be killed, the Jedi kill him.
Rogers is a none issue, here. He's not even a player in this.
Also, the optic nerve travels to the brain. Stab the saber through the optic nerve on Wolvie. Pwned.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So Cap can resist a lightsaber blade? Wow.Anakin beat Dooku. Anakin had more midichlorians.
Anakin had more midichlorians than anyone ever, having been possibly consumed by them. Doesn't mean he's the most powerful. He has more raw power and untapped potential, Tyranus is far more skilled in the Force and is atleast as skilled as Anakin with a lightsaber. Anakin won because of circumstance. If both fought each other without Palpatine or Kenobi there, Tyranus will take a majority IMO.
That very video shows Anakin failing to overcome Kenobi's force push with his own. They are more or less equals.
Why wouldn't Cap be able to resist one? Kenobi did. He's taken a stab by Kleizer near his heart, been shot multiple times to no avail, and taken massive hits from Hulk.
Can either Jedi afford to take a hit from Cap's shield. Nope.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I see a lot of up-playing of the Marvel characters and a lot of downplay to the Jedi (with some posts being silly enough to try and use something other than movies.)In chronological order, this is how Logan can be killed:
1. Sabertooth said that he was going to enjoy killing Wolverine over the course of a couple of days. Obviously, Wolverine's healing factor gives out after a while and Logan would die.
2. Deathstrike was going to kill Logan by sticking a finger in Logan's brain steam.
Where is it explicitly stated that Sabretooth could've killed Wolverine? I don't remember it. I remember him saying it, I don't remember it being stated or reason being given as to how this could happen.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Thoughts can be "heard" from the other people. If Wolverine even thinks of a way that he could be killed, the Jedi kill him.Rogers is a none issue, here. He's not even a player in this.
Also, the optic nerve travels to the brain. Stab the saber through the optic nerve on Wolvie. Pwned.
How would blinding him in one eye kill him? One of the criteria is that lightsabre can't cut adamantium. How's it going to reach his brain?
-AC