Superman takes on each herald

Originally posted by Galan007
i agree.

and kara was reintroduced into mainstream continuity in the S/B arc entitled: "the supergirl from krypton" [issues 8-13.] so i think we can both agree at least that particular arc must be canon.

having said that, the superman/darkseid battle i posted earlier is from the above arc as well - so i don't see why canonicity was ever an issue where my argument is concerned..?
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furthermore, kara [as an apokoliptian soldier] can be seen in darkseid's official countdown bio [third panel]:

seeing as the the above also happened in the aforementioned series/arc - my argument is further solidified.

Originally posted by Starscream M
just because parts of sb is cannon does not mean all of it is.

all of this was covered in the post you quoted.

Also, there's no way Public Enemies isn't canon either, because it led to Captain Atom's mini in the Wildstorm universe.

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Loebs volumes that deal with issues related to Infinite Crisis and Supergirl are canon. But the other more recent ones shouldnt be.

Originally posted by Galan007
i'm not arguing for the canonicity of the entire series - just a particular arc [the one in which superman owned darkseid near the sun.]

all of this was covered in the post you quoted.

I thought you made that point clear in your previous posts... 😕

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I thought you made that point clear in your previous posts... 😕

It's Master Bruce.

What can you do? srug

Originally posted by Spire
Lol, so then you are starting to understand the logic behind why Superman is who he is.

No one does care about powers, which is in your terms, powers = versatility.

So, like i said before, he wins because he's Superman. You proved nothing, but you did reiterate my original point of derision.

I never said versatility = power, because thats stupid.

A mile wide but a foot deep is nothing to be proud of, aka Ironman.
Superman is a meter wide but a mile deep.
Surfer is a mile wide and a mile deep however, so how is that not superior? Green Lantern is the same.

According to some, fancy gadgets(rings that let you affect time, dna and transmutation and shielding) and energy manip(speed up planetary evolution, soul manipulation, etc) are worthless.

Why does such depth and scope to their powersets get shortchanged.....why, for no other reason than He's Superman(everything comes from him) and they're not.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I thought you made that point clear in your previous posts... 😕

Originally posted by Juntai
lol what're they watching?

Originally posted by Galan007
i'm not arguing for the canonicity of the entire series - just a particular arc [the one in which superman owned darkseid near the sun.]

Originally posted by batdude123
Also, there's no way Public Enemies isn't canon either, because it led to Captain Atom's mini in the Wildstorm universe.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Twisting.

Originally posted by UniOmni
DC = Superman is top dom. Nothing wrong with that belief, since the comics support that notion. Superman is on a team that has included beings that can create quasars, "heavens ladder", fast forward time for entire celestial bodies, contain big bangs, hold planets, etc and yet, he's still considered the most powerful being on earth.
With hv, icebreath, superspeed and punches in bunches. I don't get the logic(hint-there is none to be found:<😉 but thats DC editorials line and they maintain it.

Yeah, you totally weren't trying to say versatility=power/more powerful...

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Was that from Superman/Batman?

Anyways, like you said earlier, that particular arc is confirmed canon. Didio would have to do an -in comics- retcon to change that.

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Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Does it have to be canon to earth 1 for his series to continue in Wildstorm?

after captain atom was blasted into the wildstorm universe during S/B, he had a fairly brief stint there ["armageddon"] before returning back to the mainstream DCU ["battle for bludhaven".] he then went on to become monarch again ["countdown".] etc.

furthermore, he retained full knowledge of his cross-dimensional adventures [a canonicity clincher.]

Originally posted by Galan007
after captain atom was blasted into the wildstorm universe during S/B, he had a fairly brief stint there ["armageddon"] before returning back to the mainstream DCU ["battle for bludhaven".] he then went on to become monarch again ["countdown".] etc.

furthermore, he retained full knowledge of his cross-dimensional adventures [a canonicity clincher.]

Beat me to it.

Originally posted by Galan007
it's canon all around.

after captain atom was blasted into the wildstorm universe during S/B, he had a fairly brief stint there ["armageddon"] before returning back to the mainstream DCU ["battle for bludhaven".] he then went on to become monarch again ["countdown".] etc.

furthermore, he retained full knowledge of his cross-dimensional adventures [a canonicity clincher.]

Originally posted by batdude123
Superman hate is nothing new.

i lol'd.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He does actually have a point. To suggest Superman brawls it out with the Surfer while saying Hulk can't lay a finger on him is trying to have it both ways.

how?

quan is trying to say that arguments on how some characters win fights is conditional to whom they are facing, for example batman wouldn't need prep to fight punisher straight up, and nobody would really insinuate that he would need it. if he was fighting ironman, his supporters would have to fall back on batman's plethora of preperation feats.

the silver surfer using cosmic awareness and such to figure out superman's kryptonian physiology is the same sort of argument (though i don't really think he needs it). if he were to fight despero or something you wouldn't really see many cosmic awareness posts.

so yeah, basically conditional arguments

Originally posted by -Pr-
i lol'd.

how?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
quan is trying to say that arguments on how some characters win fights is conditional to whom they are facing, for example batman wouldn't need prep to fight punisher straight up, and nobody would really insinuate that he would need it. if he was fighting ironman, his supporters would have to fall back on batman's plethora of preperation feats.

the silver surfer using cosmic awareness and such to figure out superman's kryptonian physiology is the same sort of argument (though i don't really think he needs it). if he were to fight despero or something you wouldn't really see many cosmic awareness posts.

so yeah, basically conditional arguments

Saying Superman HVs Hulk from the moon is comparable.

What's not, is saying that Superman uses speed and Hulk never touches him.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
quan is trying to say that arguments on how some characters win fights is conditional to whom they are facing, for example batman wouldn't need prep to fight punisher straight up, and nobody would really insinuate that he would need it. if he was fighting ironman, his supporters would have to fall back on batman's plethora of preperation feats.

the silver surfer using cosmic awareness and such to figure out superman's kryptonian physiology is the same sort of argument (though i don't really think he needs it). if he were to fight despero or something you wouldn't really see many cosmic awareness posts.

so yeah, basically conditional arguments

Good post