Originally posted by UniOmni
Two different wavelengths are debating here.DC = Superman is top dom. Nothing wrong with that belief, since the comics support that notion. Superman is on a team that has included beings that can create quasars, "heavens ladder", fast forward time for entire celestial bodies, contain big bangs, hold planets, etc and yet, he's still considered the most powerful being on earth.
With hv, icebreath, superspeed and punches in bunches. I don't get the logic(hint-there is none to be found:<😉 but thats DC editorials line and they maintain it.Surfer is from the universe where he's seen as a christlike figure, can do anything and is more often than not, the most powerful guy around in the hero league. He can evolve planets, create blackholes, transfer enormous amounts of energy, fly through stars, cross galaxies in seconds(years ago) and transmute on the fly, affect souls, whatever basically....
To me, there is no comparison in power. None whatsoever.
Formidability, Superman easily wins there.I see Superman beating every herald except for Stardust and Surfer. All else fall.
Couldnt have said it better
Honestly, powerwise, any herald should have him but besides stardust and Surfer, I cant see the others beating Supes for a majority because of there mental state.
Originally posted by Slaanesh
no i'm not..Surfer >>> Supes..and i don't care what people think..they are not equals..not even close..
Another true statement. I would never understand why people would even compare surfer and supes when its pretty much common sense on which one is the most powerful.
You have one guy on one side that long range powers is heat vision and ice breath
vs
Another guy that long range power is basically anything; a guy that has crushed galaxies.
I disagree with darth though, combat wise, I give Superman a small edge, everything else, Surfer>>>>>>>Superman.
Thats why I totally disagree with some of the people that is in the high herald list. Some cant even do 1% of what the surfer can do.
Originally posted by kgkg
There mental state? 😂
Yes, there mental state.
Terrax is a dumb ass.
Firelord is cocky and possess all that damn power but tends to enjoy fist cuffing (which would get him ripped up by supes).
Morg possess a ax that can basically cut through ANYTHING and then he also have the power cosmic but he tends to throw his ax during combat, losing it, then going fist cuffs.
If that aint a stupid way of fighting when possessing all of that power then you tell me what it is?
If they used the power cosmic anywhere close to what the surfer does then they would be some of the most powerful beings in marvel, but they dont.
Originally posted by UniOmni
And all that amounts to is basically because he's Superman. Everything you said....But it also can be applied to other characters.GL is a classic comic book character.
GL is a popular comic book character.
GL is a hero.
GL can in times of adversity reach for something more and go above and beyond the norm.GL has a ring that can do anything, yet still plays second fiddle on the scale to Superman, and lol at no one gives a shit about powers when Superman is constantly being touted as the most powerful being on the planet. Not his willpower, not his resolve, but powerful as in shit he can do.
Go away.
Lol, so then you are starting to understand the logic behind why Superman is who he is.
No one does care about powers, which is in your terms, powers = versatility.
Originally posted by Galan007
i take random web-interviews with a grain of salt when they contradict what has taken place within the actual comics.
What Juntai says works for both though. The bit that was referenced in later comics oughta be canon, but the latter definitely shouldn't.
Originally posted by darthgooberHe does actually have a point. To suggest Superman brawls it out with the Surfer while saying Hulk can't lay a finger on him is trying to have it both ways.
And I could do the same for Superman or the Flash, but you'd still likely say that guys like Hulk and Juggernaut couldn't touch them. Why? Because regardless of the frequency of it happening Supes and Flash not using their powers as effectively as they should constitutes PIS.Was the multiple opponents in your example particularly powerful or something?
So you're going to imply bias on my part when you're only willing to ignore PIS in regards to Superman 😂 .
Originally posted by Kris BlazeThen it isn't canon. People will argue regardless of it anyways.
Didio did, in a newsarama interview.
Originally posted by Kris Blazei agree.
What Juntai says works for both though. The bit that was referenced in later comics oughta be canon, but the latter definitely shouldn't.
and kara was reintroduced into mainstream continuity in the S/B arc entitled: "the supergirl from krypton" [issues 8-13.] so i think we can both agree at least that particular arc must be canon.
having said that, the superman/darkseid battle i posted earlier is from the above arc as well - so i don't see why canonicity was ever an issue where my argument is concerned..?
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furthermore, kara [as an apokoliptian soldier] can be seen in darkseid's official countdown bio [third panel]:
seeing as the the above also happened in the aforementioned series/arc - my argument is further solidified.
