Originally posted by -Pr-
when he fights someone powerful enough to hurt him, they're usually fast enough to tag him too.he can go invisible too. just not the way someone like j'onn does.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Any herald could still sense Superman easily enough. And becoming invisible/intangible requires far more energy from him.
i agree. but he's not going to be doing it constantly is he? it's not like he's going to be wasting his energy being intangible for an entire fight.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i agree. but he's not going to be doing it constantly is he? it's not like he's going to be wasting his energy being intangible for an entire fight.
Of course not, but him doing those things would not make a difference. Becoming intangible or invisible is a viable tactic for any herald against Superman.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Of course not, but him doing those things would not make a difference. Becoming intangible or invisible is a viable tactic for any herald against Superman.
i don't disagree. he's not going to be able to touch them without t-vo, which he really doesn't use anymore anyways.
just saying that it's a viable tactic for him to avoid their attacks.
Originally posted by -Pr-
you almost make me ashamed to be a superman fan.
You know I'm not arguing that Supeman can take all of them at once. Because he can't and will surely lose. But I believe there is no herald he can't beat (by at least a ko) in a one on one scenario. Surfer may have the tools to take down Superman but they way I see the fight going is Superman using his speed to land a hit in on Surfer before surfer lands one on him. Then after the first hit Superman combos him before the initial stun effect wears off. In other words, Superman does what WM Thor or Thanos did (the combo) but only faster.
Now with Destroyer then Superman can use one of his two sun dips here.
Originally posted by h1a8
You know I'm not arguing that Supeman can take all of them at once. Because he can't and will surely lose. But I believe there is no herald he can't beat (by at least a ko) in a one on one scenario. Surfer may have the tools to take down Superman but they way I see the fight going is Superman using his speed to land a hit in on Surfer before surfer lands one on him. Then after the first hit Superman combos him before the initial stun effect wears off. In other words, Superman does what WM Thor or Thanos did (the combo) but only faster.Now with Destroyer then Superman can use one of his two sun dips here.
The problem h1a8 is you make claims about supes strength that is extreme and really comical. Like your famous... Supes is at least 1 billion times stronger than Thor. When you make ludacris claims and then say you have the formula for it, you look kinda silly to be honest. Your obviously a big supes fan which is cool, there are many on here. I also like Supes. The difference is you feel like Supes can one shot any herald.. or despero or Thanos or insert pretty much anybody below abstract. I have even seen you argue that Supes would combo to Ko Odin. If you were a bit less bias and logical, you would find more people wouldn't have these reactions to you.
Originally posted by h1a8i want to know what he's going to with stardust for starters.
You know I'm not arguing that Supeman can take all of them at once. Because he can't and will surely lose. But I believe there is no herald he can't beat (by at least a ko) in a one on one scenario. Surfer may have the tools to take down Superman but they way I see the fight going is Superman using his speed to land a hit in on Surfer before surfer lands one on him. Then after the first hit Superman combos him before the initial stun effect wears off. In other words, Superman does what WM Thor or Thanos did (the combo) but only faster.Now with Destroyer then Superman can use one of his two sun dips here.
hopefully you looked at the stardust/bill fight since i spoon fed it to you.
Originally posted by -Pr-
when he fights someone powerful enough to hurt him, they're usually fast enough to tag him too.he can go invisible too. just not the way someone like j'onn does.
So despero, the general, Kalibak, shaggy man, solomon grundy, etc.... have super speed.
If you say yes can you prove this and please dont use that "because he tagged superman" comment.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The problem h1a8 is you make claims about supes strength that is extreme and really comical. Like your famous... Supes is at least 1 billion times stronger than Thor. When you make ludacris claims and then say you have the formula for it, you look kinda silly to be honest. Your obviously a big supes fan which is cool, there are many on here. I also like Supes. The difference is you feel like Supes can one shot any herald.. or despero or Thanos or insert pretty much anybody below abstract. I have even seen you argue that Supes would combo to Ko Odin. If you were a bit less bias and logical, you would find more people wouldn't have these reactions to you.
I don't think Superman can one shot any class 100 being, whether they are a top tier or a herald. I argue the combo to ko principle only. Odin<<<<<<<<<Thor in physical attributes so if Superman lands a hit on Odin before Odin can act then Superman can finish him with a combo. I see no problem with this. What, do you think Odin can react to a Superman blitz?
Supes may not be more than a billion times stronger than Thor but from what I've read of both over the years I feel he is a lot stronger.
stardust to beta ray bill-
"besides, you cannot defeat me. i am a cosmic entity. no physical force you can deliver can make me more than pause. --you cannot destroy this body as i cannot stop asteroth on my own."
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^ on top of his/her special durability, attacks like this are in his/her repitoir
Originally posted by carver9
So despero, the general, Kalibak, shaggy man, solomon grundy, etc.... have super speed.If you say yes can you prove this and please dont use that "because he tagged superman" comment.
despero does, as shown by his ability to tag almost every member of the opposing team.
the general didn't need speed, he was nigh unkillable.
kalibak? seriously? the guy superman has walked all over in the past?
shaggy man is the same as the general.
solomon grundy? the guy superman once accidentally killed? he's not a threat to superman.
you're still missing the point, though. post crisis, bar despero, did the general put superman down for good? nope. shaggy man? maybe in the early 90s, i dont remember. grundy? not to my knowledge. kalibak didn't either.
Originally posted by -Pr-Also in the REBELS series, Despero makes an appearance, and like in the Legion books, they give a blurb about the character, where they're from, and a general idea of their powers, it lists speed as one of Despero's superpowers.
despero does, as shown by his ability to tag almost every member of the opposing team.the general didn't need speed, he was nigh unkillable.
kalibak? seriously? the guy superman has walked all over in the past?
shaggy man is the same as the general.
solomon grundy? the guy superman once accidentally killed? he's not a threat to superman.
you're still missing the point, though. post crisis, bar despero, did the general put superman down for good? nope. shaggy man? maybe in the early 90s, i dont remember. grundy? not to my knowledge. kalibak didn't either.
The only time Kalibak gave Superman any trouble that I can recall is in Death of the New Gods, but anyone who read the Firestorm issue from around that time in the lead up to Final Crisis knows that Kalibak was heavily upgraded by Darkseid.
Other than that, he was hardly a problem any other time I can recall offhand.
