Superman takes on each herald

Originally posted by Spire
Cool, flame baiting.

Also, please don't act like you don't start it all the time.

Originally posted by Spire
A prime example of the psychological concept called denial.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he let konvikt hit him.

we don't debate powersets on kmc. superman will only use his speed if he knows his strength won't finish the job. it has backing in the comics.

Superman used his strength against Subjekt-17 after he even doubted his own strength in comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am saying I think most posters use a double standard for their characters to win and I gave an example.
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😂

Quan, you are the master if the double standard.

People who live in slaughterhouses should not throw pigs.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
😂

Quan, you are the master if the double standard.

People who live in slaughterhouses should not throw pigs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Feel free to point it out.

You do it pretty often. One example, if you wish:

We talked once about the Darkseid who faught the Source and Later Orion DOTNG. You said that this fight wasn't that impressive because the collaterla damage wasn't that big (some miles etc.) and thus Darkseid and the Source aren't that powerful.

Later on an discussion about Thanos, someone pointed out that Odin wasn't going all out because else he would be damaging the Universe or Multiverse and the collateral dmg was far to low. You said then that "the collateral damage isn't an indicator of how powerful thus blasts were".

You do this really all the time. Always using the lowest feats of DC chars and utterly ignoring their best (or playing them down), while ignoring the low feats of Marvel chars and using only their best feats (and exaggerating them).

Mit zweierlei Maß messen. ^^

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am saying I think most posters use a double standard for their characters to win and I gave an example.

Also, please don't act like you don't start it all the time.

I know that's why I brought it up. He later recovered but needed the time to do so.

Superman used his strength against Subjekt-17 after he even doubted his own strength in comparison.

he needed a second, maybe two. that's not a lot of time.

one instance against subjekt 17 does not take precedence over the larger number of times he's used his speed when he's wanted to.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You do it pretty often. One example, if you wish:

We talked once about the Darkseid who faught the Source and Later Orion DOTNG. You said that this fight wasn't that impressive because the collaterla damage wasn't that big (some miles etc.) and thus Darkseid and the Source aren't that powerful.

Later on an discussion about Thanos, someone pointed out that Odin wasn't going all out because else he would be damaging the Universe or Multiverse and the collateral dmg was far to low. You said then that "the collateral damage isn't an indicator of how powerful thus blasts were".

You do this really all the time. Always using the lowest feats of DC chars and utterly ignoring their best (or playing them down), while ignoring the low feats of Marvel chars and using only their best feats (and exaggerating them).

Mit zweierlei Maß messen. ^^

I have also argued against collateral damage being indicative of a character going all out or determining power levels.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he needed a second, maybe two. that's not a lot of time.

one instance against subjekt 17 does not take precedence over the larger number of times he's used his speed when he's wanted to.

That's just one example in which Superman even questions his own strength and still doesn't start darting around. He just digs in deep and puts him down. The reason I brought it up is that I believe it's a perfect example of him not using his speed when he doesn't feel he's superior strength wise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am saying I think most posters use a double standard for their characters to win and I gave an example.

Also, please don't act like you don't start it all the time.

I know, you don't want Full Capacity to be applied to Superman.

Just his opponents.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'd love for you to find the quote, but that was a response from my earlier days. I have changed since then and really don't like to press the collateral damage thing at all anymore.

I have also argued against collateral damage being indicative of a character going all out or determining power levels.

I don't think they actually give a time frame of how long he was down. I could be wrong though.

That's just one example in which Superman even questions his own strength and still doesn't start darting around. He just digs in deep and puts him down. The reason I brought it up is that I believe it's a perfect example of him not using his speed when he doesn't feel he's superior strength wise.

one panel.

you're right, it's ONE example. one example that when weighed against other, more plentiful ones, is the minority, and the more unlikely course of action.

the point is that if superman doesn't think he's going to win by punching alone, he'll search for other ways to win. whether it's a hv trick, his freeze breath, or his speed. he's not proud enough to regularly continue punching people hoping that they'll go down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Feel free to point it out. I don't have Thor godblasting every single time now do I?

So you're admitting to selective bias/hate and feigning ignorance then?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'd love for you to find the quote, but that was a response from my earlier days.

Since you offer me your love 🙂

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10692503&highlight=miles+userid%3A108017#post10692503

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=11367847&highlight=collateral+userid%3A108017#post11367847

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10724432&highlight=collateral+userid%3A108017#post10724432

And you did change, though the DC hate in you is still strong young padawan ^^.

Originally posted by Spire
I know, you don't want Full Capacity to be applied to Superman.

Just his opponents.

Originally posted by -Pr-
one panel.

you're right, it's ONE example. one example that when weighed against other, more plentiful ones, is the minority, and the more unlikely course of action.

the point is that if superman doesn't think he's going to win by punching alone, he'll search for other ways to win. whether it's a hv trick, his freeze breath, or his speed. he's not proud enough to regularly continue punching people hoping that they'll go down.

I am not saying he won't use his powers I just think at the end of the day Superman tends to brick more often than use his speed in a blitzing fashion.

Originally posted by Spire
So you're admitting to selective bias/hate and feigning ignorance then?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Since you offer me your love 🙂

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10692503&highlight=miles+userid%3A108017#post10692503

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=11367847&highlight=collateral+userid%3A108017#post11367847

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10724432&highlight=collateral+userid%3A108017#post10724432

And you did change, though the DC hate in you is still strong young padawan ^^.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do want the same criteria applied to all characters I just don't think he uses speed as often as you do.

What part of Full Capacity slapped over 'in character' don't you understand?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Trying to get something going again. You do it quite often. I apply how these characters fight and am fair to all of them. You'd have a point if I continually argued for other characters to act out of character, but I don't.

Didn't answer my question. I'll just take it as a yes though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree he is very resourceful but what hero isn't?

he's one of the mosrt resourceful high heralds.

I am not saying he won't use his powers I just think at the end of the day Superman tends to brick more often than use his speed in a blitzing fashion.

yes, because more often than not he can win with physical strength. and that's only when he's not trying to kill/embarass his opponent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree he is very resourceful but what hero isn't?

Originally posted by Mindship
By comparison...Surfer and Thor come to mind (though pretty much any character with an open powerset). They seem to typically use even less of their potential.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
When it comes to powers, Thor and Surfer are much more "spoiled" than Superman. They do not necessarily need to make up powers to win.

Originally posted by Mindship
I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
They use less of their potential because they usually don't need to.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
They use less of their potential because they usually don't need to.

Originally posted by Mindship
Ah. There is some truth to that (like Superman with speedblitzing), though the reality is, of course, these uber characters usually get scaled down for the sake of the story. We just invent the rationalizations.