Superman takes on each herald

Originally posted by Juntai
Also in the REBELS series, Despero makes an appearance, and like in the Legion books, they give a blurb about the character, where they're from, and a general idea of their powers, it lists speed as one of Despero's superpowers.

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Originally posted by Juntai
The only time Kalibak gave Superman any trouble that I can recall is in Death of the New Gods, but anyone who read the Firestorm issue from around that time in the lead up to Final Crisis knows that Kalibak was heavily upgraded by Darkseid.
Other than that, he was hardly a problem any other time I can recall offhand.

aye, and even then it was what superman himself said was a lucky shot.

Kalibak is like an ugly Hercules.

The idea that he could take on Superman, or that he belongs in a thread dedicated to heralds, is crazy.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
stardust to beta ray bill-

"besides, you cannot defeat me. i am a cosmic entity. no physical force you can deliver can make me more than pause. --you cannot destroy this body as i cannot stop asteroth on my own."

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^ on top of his/her special durability, attacks like this are in his/her repitoir

All heralds can be at least koed, otherwise they would be greater than the Cosmic Beings. So I fail to believe that Stardust can't be koed under sufficient force. And Superman can and has dealt with blackholes if that is what you are referring to. Plus Superman is too fast to even let someone even summon a black hole up. And flying into the core of a planet to make it explode means nothing here.

Originally posted by h1a8
All heralds can be at least koed, otherwise they would be greater than the Cosmic Beings. So I fail to believe that Stardust can't be koed under sufficient force. And Superman can and has dealt with blackholes if that is what you are referring to. Plus Superman is too fast to even let someone even summon a black hole up. And flying into the core of a planet to make it explode means nothing here.

Originally posted by h1a8
All heralds can be at least koed, otherwise they would be greater than the Cosmic Beings. So I fail to believe that Stardust can't be koed under sufficient force. And Superman can and has dealt with blackholes if that is what you are referring to. Plus Superman is too fast to even let someone even summon a black hole up. And flying into the core of a planet to make it explode means nothing here.

iirc sun-amped superman said a bunch of stuff to darkseid about breaking planets if he pounds at them hard enough, bill has actually done so, and used these attacks on stardust's grill.

just admit it's a bad match-up for superman since pretty much all his attacks are useless against stardust. superman vs nova and firelord are bad match-ups for the heralds since those two primarily use stellar energies that would power superman up. they'd get defeated before they could change tactics. (i could be wrong though...at least on nova's acount, she did blow up a star with ease)

Stardust is non-corporeal, he is made of energy, think sound. Can Supes ko sound by hitting it? Nop, he can't.

The only hope Kal has to win this is hoping that heat vision and super vibrations are enough to ko a fairly more versatile and powerful high end energy manipulator. In any case, his chances could be better.

Originally posted by Bentley
Stardust is non-corporeal, he is made of energy, think sound. Can Supes ko sound by hitting it? Nop, he can't.

The only hope Kal has to win this is hoping that heat vision and super vibrations are enough to ko a fairly more versatile and powerful high end energy manipulator. In any case, his chances could be better.

Originally posted by kgkg
Heat Vision really? 😉

that might be possible, but h1n1 only cares about superman being 1)strong and 2)fast

he might not even be capable of telling us how superman could do anything other than punch stardust harder than any impact it's ever felt, and if that doesn't work, punch him even harder than that ad infinitum.

Well considering Stardust has energy and matter manipulation abilities any sorts of trick will be extremely hard to pull off.

It's like me saying Stardust opens a Black hole in Superman brain.

Stardust is beatable but imo only high level energy manipulator will be able to put him down , at least that is the case so far.

for me, superman would have to dig deep into his bag of tricks to put up an effective offense that stardust can't shrug off/come back from, but at the same time stardust will be attacking superman and his offense isn't something superman can just tank like usual. plus the black hole thing adds a new element to this fight.

i just can't see superman getting this to go in his favor to the point where stardust is close to losing.

People also have to remember that BRB absorbed most of his attack via Stormbreaker an option many won’t have. Those attacks are lethal for anyone.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
now you have to prove superman can deliver this "sufficient force" that can even entertain the notion that he could somehow pull of what beta ray bill couldn't.

iirc sun-amped superman said a bunch of stuff to darkseid about breaking planets if he pounds at them hard enough, bill has actually done so, and used these attacks on stardust's grill.

just admit it's a bad match-up for superman since pretty much all his attacks are useless against stardust. superman vs nova and firelord are bad match-ups for the heralds since those two primarily use stellar energies that would power superman up. they'd get defeated before they could change tactics. (i could be wrong though...at least on nova's acount, she did blow up a star with ease)

BRB busted a mere small asteriod. The planet wasn't even the size of our moon for crying out loud. It had no atmosphere and was merely a rock.

But I'm referring to Superman comboing Stardust to ko and not actually one-shotting her.

Stardust is a mere herald. Do you think Thanos can beat her? If so how?

Thanos has shown high energy blast and reality altering... Like reconstructing a house from nothing... Healing a man... Powers before...

His powerset plus tech makes him a lot more versatile than superman...

Can thanos defeat stardust... Thanos the man with thanosi clones like omega...
Who had mangog at his side to trounce Thor when they went after thorgirl or whatever...

Versatility says he has a better chance than superman. Since supermans chance is none

Originally posted by h1a8
BRB busted a mere small asteriod. The planet wasn't even the size of our moon for crying out loud. It had no atmosphere and was merely a rock.

But I'm referring to Superman comboing Stardust to ko and not actually one-shotting her.

Stardust is a mere herald. Do you think Thanos can beat her? If so how?

Originally posted by rotiart
Thanos has shown high energy blast and reality altering... Like reconstructing a house from nothing... Healing a man... Powers before...

His powerset plus tech makes him a lot more versatile than superman...

Can thanos defeat stardust... Thanos the man with thanosi clones like omega...
Who had mangog at his side to trounce Thor when they went after thorgirl or whatever...

Versatility says he has a better chance than superman. Since supermans chance is none

So can Thanos defeat Stardust? If so, how exactly?

thanos beat maker, his abilities go far beyond just punching and blasting.

Originally posted by Spire
Now slap KMC's Full Capacity rule on top of that and....

Originally posted by -Pr-
i was looking for this. thanks for the bump.

who?

he gets hit by most people because he knows he can take a punch and not be ko'd. he has more than enough combat speed feats to show that he can dodge almost anything he likes when it suits him.

we're talking about a guy who lets villains hit him just so they can take their anger out on something.

I never looked at kmc as Superman using his speed all ten matchups or Thor using his most powerful attacks all ten matchups. I always thought of this place as the middle ground between cbr and herochat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then why did I find a double standard when Surfer matches up with Superman?

Cool, flame baiting.

Originally posted by Spire
Saying Superman HVs Hulk from the moon is comparable.

What's not, is saying that Superman uses speed and Hulk never touches him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then why did I find a double standard when Surfer matches up with Superman? Not the case against Konvikt. I realize he has let other characters tee off on him as he feels he can take it and it will cut down on damage and take the brunt of the damage from these madmen.

I never looked at kmc as Superman using his speed all ten matchups or Thor using his most powerful attacks all ten matchups. I always thought of this place as the middle ground between cbr and herochat.

he let konvikt hit him.

we don't debate powersets on kmc. superman will only use his speed if he knows his strength won't finish the job. it has backing in the comics.