Star Wars vs Star Trek, Lord of the Rings and Battlestar Galactica

Originally posted by Robtard
Already pointed out, but here: http://www.st-v-sw.net/

The Borg would sodomize and ass-imilate the entire SW universe, by itself, adding in all the other species/groups like the Federation, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians etc., is sheer overkill.

This...

Star Wars is tehnically advanced and all - i mean technically hyperspace is faster than warp seeing as warp is faster than light travel (pulling the universe around the ship as opposed to the ship moving) and Hyperspace is a parallel dimension that opens from the location of the ship to the location it's headed.

Star Wars weapons are limited compared to Star Trek...the most pwerful weapon as far as i'm aware is the Deathstar which has major weaknesses - #1 a frigging great port hole that can be fired down #2 a friggin great hole in the side that leads to the reactor core open for mass lazer rapings.

LOTR would get boned purely because every other series mentioned is space based. Not 100% sure of BSG but their technology seens small-fry compared to SW and ST.

Star Trek hands down - purely because of the weapons, technology and tactics. Star Wars ships take God knows how long to turn while moving (refering to SW TESB - the scene where the Millenium Falcon is trying to escape from 2 Star Destroyers and both Star Detroyers end up colliding with plenty of pre-warning.)

The Borg would be a massively overwhelming force for the SW universe...

None of them because they all are pathetic. Twilight because nothing can beat edward. He is so amazing

Originally posted by tauntaunmylight
None of them because they all are pathetic. Twilight because nothing can beat edward. He is so amazing

troll

Okay, so it's not contributing to the thread...but I lol'd

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Originally posted by XanatosForever
Okay, so it's not contributing to the thread...but I lol'd

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"Is there any nudity in it?"

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I think the Death Star would be able to blow them all up.

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
This...

Star Wars is tehnically advanced and all - i mean technically hyperspace is faster than warp seeing as warp is faster than light travel (pulling the universe around the ship as opposed to the ship moving) and Hyperspace is a parallel dimension that opens from the location of the ship to the location it's headed.

Star Wars weapons are limited compared to Star Trek...the most pwerful weapon as far as i'm aware is the Deathstar which has major weaknesses - #1 a frigging great port hole that can be fired down #2 a friggin great hole in the side that leads to the reactor core open for mass lazer rapings.

LOTR would get boned purely because every other series mentioned is space based. Not 100% sure of BSG but their technology seens small-fry compared to SW and ST.

Star Trek hands down - purely because of the weapons, technology and tactics. Star Wars ships take God knows how long to turn while moving (refering to SW TESB - the scene where the Millenium Falcon is trying to escape from 2 Star Destroyers and both Star Detroyers end up colliding with plenty of pre-warning.)

The Borg would be a massively overwhelming force for the SW universe...

No offense, but a lot of this is based on misguided information. The Death Star is not the most powerful superweapon in Star Wars; that title would probably go to the Sun Crusher. And what is this about Star Trek having more advanced technology? I don't see any evidence to support that.

If we are going into the EU the Sun Crusher is hardly the most powerful super weapon, most likely it's Center Point Station.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
No offense, but a lot of this is based on misguided information. The Death Star is not the most powerful superweapon in Star Wars; that title would probably go to the Sun Crusher. And what is this about Star Trek having more advanced technology? I don't see any evidence to support that.

Trek does, pure and simple. The Borg have weapons (multikinetic neutronic mine) which can destroy areas up to 4 light years across...That's the equivlant from our solar system to Alpha Centauri (our nearest star that isn't the sun).

Trek has ships which exist outside of space and time (Krenim time ship) which means they can't be hit with weapons as they are effectively not there. Time travel and time based weapons are a regular feature on ST but there is nothing in SW which mentions it or uses it at all.

Trek has weapons which also phase out of space time in order to completely bypass shields and then phase back into space and time once inside a ship.

Trek has transporters...SW doesn't.

I could go on and on and on about tech which SW has no answer for.

As for travel speed...Transwarp can allow a ship to travel across the galaxy in minutes...Something which hyperspace can only do between weeks and months.

LoL, this has awakened again.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, this has awakened again.

Originally posted by jaden101
Trek does, pure and simple. The Borg have weapons (multikinetic neutronic mine) which can destroy areas up to 4 light years across...That's the equivlant from our solar system to Alpha Centauri (our nearest star that isn't the sun).

Such mines would not be all that more potent than, say, Centerpoint station. 4 light years is generally smaller than the distance between star systems.

Trek has ships which exist outside of space and time (Krenim time ship) which means they can't be hit with weapons as they are effectively not there. Time travel and time based weapons are a regular feature on ST but there is nothing in SW which mentions it or uses it at all.

By the time that weapon gets to, say, Coruscant, Star Trek would have lost already.

Trek has weapons which also phase out of space time in order to completely bypass shields and then phase back into space and time once inside a ship.

Except that it still wouldn't destroy a star destroyer in one hit. Star destroyer turbolasers could one shot, say, the Enterprise, as I showed in that comparison.

Trek has transporters...SW doesn't.

Although a big advantage, transporters can be disrupted by stuff such as deflector shields.

I could go on and on and on about tech which SW has no answer for.

As for travel speed...Transwarp can allow a ship to travel across the galaxy in minutes...Something which hyperspace can only do between weeks and months.

What proof do you have that transwarp is that fast?

Such mines would not be all that more potent than, say, Centerpoint station. 4 light years is generally smaller than the distance between star systems.

Centerpoint can move a planet...1 multikinetic neutronic mine can destroy an area millions of times larger than a solar system yet you think centerpoint is more potent?...Seriously?

By the time that weapon gets to, say, Coruscant, Star Trek would have lost already.

You have no clue how this weapon works do you?...What happens is that when it wipes a planet from the timeline then every action that ever originated from that planet is also wiped from history...Meaning that even if all of ST was totally destroyed, once the timeship had used it's weapons on SW then every action that the SW ships etc had done would be immediately reversed and so all of ST would come back into existence. And given that it exists out of space and time there is nothing that SW has that could destroy it...It would be impossible and so it would be inevitable that SW would be wiped out and ST would emerge completely unscathed.

Except that it still wouldn't destroy a star destroyer in one hit. Star destroyer turbolasers could one shot, say, the Enterprise, as I showed in that comparison.

I've already proven with canon figures that isn't true. The comparison you're referring to was from stardestroyer.net which is a ridiculously biased in favour of starwars nonsense site. Not to mention that, as ST ships go, the enterprise is insignificant in terms of power and weaponry yet a star destroyer is the pinnacle of SW standard fleets (not including weapons of mass destruction)...Besides, what's you basis for saying transphasic torpedoes wouldn't 1 hit a star destroyer?...I've proven with canon figures that even a basic photon torpedo is 40 times more powerful than the real life tsar bomba (the most powerful hydrogen bomb ever detonated on earth)...Easily powerful enough to dispatch a star destroyer.

Although a big advantage, transporters can be disrupted by stuff such as deflector shields.

Based on what?...The Borg regularly transport straight through shields...Where's your proof that SW shields would fare any better?

What proof do you have that transwarp is that fast?

Lots of episodes of Voyager showing exactly that.

Originally posted by jaden101
Centerpoint can move a planet...1 multikinetic neutronic mine can destroy an area millions of times larger than a solar system yet you think centerpoint is more potent?...Seriously?

I said not that more potent. Oh, and and actually Centerpoint station might be more effective as it can be fired from a distance.

You have no clue how this weapon works do you?...What happens is that when it wipes a planet from the timeline then every action that ever originated from that planet is also wiped from history...Meaning that even if all of ST was totally destroyed, once the timeship had used it's weapons on SW then every action that the SW ships etc had done would be immediately reversed and so all of ST would come back into existence. And given that it exists out of space and time there is nothing that SW has that could destroy it...It would be impossible and so it would be inevitable that SW would be wiped out and ST would emerge completely unscathed.

Prove that such a weapon could penetrate a planetary shield.

I've already proven with canon figures that isn't true. The comparison you're referring to was from stardestroyer.net which is a ridiculously biased in favour of starwars nonsense site. Not to mention that, as ST ships go, the enterprise is insignificant in terms of power and weaponry yet a star destroyer is the pinnacle of SW standard fleets (not including weapons of mass destruction)...Besides, what's you basis for saying transphasic torpedoes wouldn't 1 hit a star destroyer?...I've proven with canon figures that even a basic photon torpedo is 40 times more powerful than the real life tsar bomba (the most powerful hydrogen bomb ever detonated on earth)...Easily powerful enough to dispatch a star destroyer.

Those figures were drawn from official Star Wars sources.

Based on what?...The Borg regularly transport straight through shields...Where's your proof that SW shields would fare any better?

SW shields are on a far greater magnitude than ST shields, and there are also jamming devices and such.

Lots of episodes of Voyager showing exactly that.

Can you provide an example?

I said not that more potent. Oh, and and actually Centerpoint station might be more effective as it can be fired from a distance.

Distance is irrelevant when the Borg can deploy across the galaxy in minutes.

Prove that such a weapon could penetrate a planetary shield.

Deary me. Can you simply not comprehend things? The Krenim weapon exists outside space and time....It could be the most powerful shield imaginable and it wouldn't matter because the weapon simply bypasses the shield altogether by not existing in the same space and time as its target until it's past where the sheilds are.

Those figures were drawn from official Star Wars sources.

So Star Trek figures were drawn from official Star Wars sources?

No...I've used figures from Star Trek that are actually stated ON SCREEN and they are in the order of thousands of times more.

An example of how ST tech advanced from the Enterprise D (which stardestroyer.net seems to use as the pinnacle of what ST can do which as utterly ridiculous)...The Enterprise D could produce 12.75 billion gigawatts per second...Just a few years later and Voyager was rerouting more power than that just to it's sensor array...In to the terrawatt range...far more power than is generated by turbolasers.

SW shields are on a far greater magnitude than ST shields, and there are also jamming devices and such.

Magnitude has nothing to do with how the Borg adapt to transport through shields...They simply analyse it's frequency and modulate their transporter to pass right through it.

What's even better about the Borg is that even if a star destroyer had enough firepower to blow up a cube (which it doesn't) the next cube to come along will have already adapted to the stardestroyer's weapons and be completely immune to them.

Now pass this to the entire collective which has millions of worlds, billions of cubes and trillions of drones...Only gonna be one outcome.

Can you provide an example?

Yes..The final episode of Voyager has it passing through a transwarp conduit on the far side of the delta quadrant to within a short distance of earth in about 30 seconds.

On this map.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3291/2314012107_413d3a3ab0_o.jpg

It is from the Borg unicomplex in the top right hand corner, to earth where the UFP marker is.

I wont even mention when a delta flyer hit infinite velocity and existed at all places in the universe in a single moment.

You really need to up your game or read through this thread (And the one that in the ST forum) because you really don't deserve a reply. I've raped the exact same points you've brought up many times before...Go read the threads and come back when you have a better argument.

Originally posted by jaden101
Distance is irrelevant when the Borg can deploy across the galaxy in minutes.

Yet their ships would be vulnerable to attack.

Deary me. Can you simply not comprehend things? The Krenim weapon exists outside space and time....It could be the most powerful shield imaginable and it wouldn't matter because the weapon simply bypasses the shield altogether by not existing in the same space and time as its target until it's past where the sheilds are.

Do you have proof of this?

So Star Trek figures were drawn from official Star Wars sources?

No...I've used figures from Star Trek that are actually stated ON SCREEN and they are in the order of thousands of times more.

An example of how ST tech advanced from the Enterprise D (which stardestroyer.net seems to use as the pinnacle of what ST can do which as utterly ridiculous)...The Enterprise D could produce 12.75 billion gigawatts per second...Just a few years later and Voyager was rerouting more power than that just to it's sensor array...In to the terrawatt range...far more power than is generated by turbolasers.

The figures were drawn from official sources.

Magnitude has nothing to do with how the Borg adapt to transport through shields...They simply analyse it's frequency and modulate their transporter to pass right through it.

My bad, I thought that shields were able to stop transporters.

What's even better about the Borg is that even if a star destroyer had enough firepower to blow up a cube (which it doesn't) the next cube to come along will have already adapted to the stardestroyer's weapons and be completely immune to them.

BS. You can't prove this. "Adaption" is not magic. It has its limits.

Now pass this to the entire collective which has millions of worlds, billions of cubes and trillions of drones...Only gonna be one outcome.

"millions of worlds" - as does Star Wars

Yes..The final episode of Voyager has it passing through a transwarp conduit on the far side of the delta quadrant to within a short distance of earth in about 30 seconds.

On this map.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3291/2314012107_413d3a3ab0_o.jpg

It is from the Borg unicomplex in the top right hand corner, to earth where the UFP marker is.

I wont even mention when a delta flyer hit infinite velocity and existed at all places in the universe in a single moment.

You really need to up your game or read through this thread (And the one that in the ST forum) because you really don't deserve a reply. I've raped the exact same points you've brought up many times before...Go read the threads and come back when you have a better argument.

I'll admit that you have a good argument in that trump card of yours, ie the Kremlin timeship. However, your other arguments do not secure a Star Trek victory. Those figures I showed explained how Star Wars ships of several orders of magnitude more powerful than Star Trek ships.

Not to mention that, in ground combat, Star Wars absolutely stomps Star Trek. Federation soldiers go into battle wearing what appear to be pajamas and rarely, if not never, use tanks, artillery or combined arms tactics.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Yet their ships would be vulnerable to attack.

BS. You can't prove this. "Adaption" is not magic. It has its limits.

You may want to educate yourself on even those most basic Star Trek knowledge before debating. Not saying this to be rude, but you've shown to have almost no knowledge of Star Trek. Which puts you at a disadvantage in debating here.

Adaptation and assimilation are what the Borg do. Even in Star Trek where other factions/races can constantly modify their weapon and shield frequencies to counter the Borg's adaptive technology, it's only a matter of time before the Borg adapt to that and counter the counter measures.

The Borg can also build new technology on the spot to adapt to a threat, so as Jaden said, if a Borg Cube is blasted to shit by a Stardestroyer (or other SW ship), all the other Cubes/Borg will adapt and the next shot will do nothing. This has been shown and re-shown with the Borg.

Species 8472 being the one exception, though they're from a different dimension and come from fluidic space.

Originally posted by Robtard
You may want to educate yourself on even those most basic Star Trek knowledge before debating. Not saying this to be rude, but you've shown to have almost no knowledge of Star Trek. Which puts you at a disadvantage in debating here.

Adaptation and assimilation are what the Borg do. Even in Star Trek where other factions/races can constantly modify their weapon and shield frequencies to counter the Borg's adaptive technology, it's only a matter of time before the Borg adapt to that and counter the counter measures.

The Borg can also build new technology on the spot to adapt to a threat, so as Jaden said, if a Borg Cube is blasted to shit by a Stardestroyer (or other SW ship), all the other Cubes/Borg will adapt and the next shot will do nothing. This has been shown and re-shown with the Borg.

Species 8472 being the one exception, though they're from a different dimension and come from fluidic space.

And what I'm saying is that this adaption ability has not been proven to be absolute. If Galactus were to attack the Borg would the Borg somehow adapt to him? If God were to attack the Borg would the Borg somehow adapt?

I'll admit that you have a good argument in that trump card of yours, ie the Kremlin timeship. However, your other arguments do not secure a Star Trek victory. Those figures I showed explained how Star Wars ships of several orders of magnitude more powerful than Star Trek ships.

You haven't. I've shown that ships in ST use power in orders of magnitude thousands of times higher than SW...Terra is an order of magnitude of 1000 higher than giga.

Yet their ships would be vulnerable to attack.

Not from anything SW can throw at it.

Do you have proof of this?

Watch Voyager "Year of Hell". Chroniton torpedoes exist in temporal flux and as such they can pass through shields and matter until inside it's designated target.

Also the ship itself is as below (from memory alpha)

The ship obtained its power to affect time from its temporal core. When in operation, the core also kept the ship, and everything and everyone on it, outside of normal space-time. This rendered the ship immune to all conventional weapons and protected the crew from the flow of time, effectively rendering them immortal.

The main ships weapon could be deployed against the homeworld of a species and it wouldn't just wipe out the species on that world but would erase the species from history. This means that every member of the species would vanish and everything that any member of that species had done throughout history would never have happened.

Deploy that weapon on a few key SW planets and the Jedi could potentially never have existed...

BS. You can't prove this. "Adaption" is not magic. It has its limits.

We've seen it on screen at different levels. Star Fleet officers have fired on a killed Borg drones...The next drone that appears can be fired on by the same phaser and it's shielding has completely adapted and leaves the drone untouched.

We've seen the cubes do the same. The enterprise fired on the cube's tractor beam to break free with phasers and photon torpedos. It broke free and caused the cube large amounts of damage in doing so. The next encounter shortly after the Cube was completely immune to both phasers and photon torpedos. And the proof that it's not merely magnitude of power of weapons is that after this 1 encounter with the federation the next cube to attack the federation was adapted to the extent that it was able to destroy the entire fleet without a scratch.

Infact the only species to have matched the Borg were species 8472. And you really don't want me to bring them into the fight against Star Wars because they would just ***** stomp SW to death. They are from and have the run of an entire other universe. A few small single pilot bioships were able to combine to destroy a planet in a few seconds. This is the equivalent of a dew Jedi starfighters doing the same...Which we know they can't do.

So it's for you to prove it's limits rather than just stating it has them. Not for me to prove otherwise.

"millions of worlds" - as does Star Wars

I'm sure it does. But the Borg is one species (although technically they are made up of lots of conquered members of different species) that cover only a small % of the ST galaxy.

Not to mention that, in ground combat, Star Wars absolutely stomps Star Trek. Federation soldiers go into battle wearing what appear to be pajamas and rarely, if not never, use tanks, artillery or combined arms tactics.

Clearly not familiar with any ST novels are you?

Besides...Why bother with ground wars when a few small ships can appear right next to a planet by coming through vortex's from another universe and completely obliterate the planet is seconds.

Then I can also draw on the latest film for technology. Red matter...A tiny little blob of which caused a black hole strong enough to swallow the planet of Vulcan.

AAAAANNNNDD IT'S GOODNIGHT STAR WARS.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And what I'm saying is that this adaption ability has not been proven to be absolute. If Galactus were to attack the Borg would the Borg somehow adapt to him? If God were to attack the Borg would the Borg somehow adapt?

Pretty sure you've brought this up before and it clearly shows you haven't got a logical or sensible response. Star Wars technology isn't anywhere near to being nigh-omnipotent or omnipotent. So really, if you have to scrape that far into the barrel, just don't.

It can be shown that the Borg can counter and assimilate vast amounts and very different technologies, eg their ability to regenerate and heal their ships isn't something native to the original Borg species, it is something they took from a species they conquered and assimilated into their own.

So, if you're going to say that Star Wars tech is Borg-proof, YOU prove it with something plausible. Go, do it now; I'll listen.