Star Wars vs Star Trek, Lord of the Rings and Battlestar Galactica

Originally posted by Robtard
Star Trek has ground vehicles and whatnot, despite your insistence that they don't. They appear in literature, same as your EU.

Ground forces are all but irrelevant though, when they can easily be rendered to shit from orbit.

Did you read my other posts?

George Lucas, the owner of Star Wars as you probably know, states that Star Wars EU is canon.
The owners of Star Trek state that Star Trek EU is NOT part of Star TREK canon.

In the TV shows and movies, Star Trek has not shown any tanks, artillery or other vehicles. Therefore, a Star Trek ground force would get rofl stomped by a Star Wars ground force of similar numbers and starting position. Star Wars has AT-ATs, Juggernaut vehicles, ground troopers that are well trained, well armed and well armored and much more that Star Trek does not have. A modern ground force might defeat a Star Trek ground force of similar numbers and starting positions. A Star Wars ground force would easily defeat a Star Trek ground force of similar numbers and starting position.

Ground combat is not irrelevant and is very important due to several reasons. One of them in this case is that Star Wars planetary shields prevent a Star Trek invasion force from using orbital bomardment. A Star Trek invasion force would have to try a ground invasion, which would fail horribly when faced with superior Star Wars ground forces.

Dude, you're a sad liar and you deliberately troll. Not reading your points/post i ndepth when everything you have spouted has been picked apart? Piece by piece by piece.

Star Trek could win with just the Krenim time-weapon, one vessel; you can't counter this., you will ignore though, wait a but; then vomit the same failed points.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, you're a sad liar and you deliberately troll. Not reading your points/post i ndepth when everything you have spouted has been picked apart? Piece by piece by piece.

Star Trek could win with just the Krenim time-weapon, one vessel; you can't counter this., you will ignore though, wait then then vomit the same failed points.

See? You were trying to debate the ground combat area with me, and when I out debate you suddenly change the subject.

Explain how anything I said in my previous post was "a sad lie"
Explain how talking about ground combat is "trolling"

You can't.

Actually respond to my rational arguments or concede.

Focus. Explain to me why you think that a Star Trek ground force would stand any significant chance against a Star Wars ground force of similar numbers and position.

No, I wasn't debating ground combat with you. I said ground forces are all but irrelevant, as they are; there's nothing to debate.

Also: Krenim time-weapon, solos all of Star Wars. You've got nothing to counter this, except ignoring it.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, I wasn't debating ground combat with you. I said ground forces are all but irrelevant, as they are; there's nothing to debate.

Also: Krenim time-weapon, solos all of Star Wars. You've got nothing to counter this, except ignoring it.

Stop changing the subject. Do you admit that, in terms of ground warfare, Star Wars far outclasses Star Trek?

If so, then we can get on to other stuff.

If not, then explain.

If we don't allow the written material, sure. But not allowing it is a gimp to Star Trek, as you're using the written material for Star Wars. So sure, you can win this by gimping and only gimping. You like doing this, as you do/did this in the MVF; it's a sad tactic, gimping.

Krenim time-weapon, it still solos all of Star Wars. You've got nothing to counter this.

Originally posted by Robtard
If we don't allow the written material, sure. But not allowing it is a gimp to Star Trek, as you're using the written material for Star Wars. So sure, you can win this by gimping. You like doing this, as you do/did this in the MVF; it's a sad tactic, gimping.

Krenim time-weapon, it still solos all of Star Wars. You've got nothing to counter this.

I'm not "gimping". I have explained this many times. George Lucas considers Star Wars EU to be canon. The creators of Star TREK do NOT consider Star TREK EU canon.

Therefore, based on OFFICIAL canon, Star Wars would have access to EU material but Star Trek would not.

I have explained this several times in my previous posts. Did you simply ignore them? That would be rather hypocritical of you.

No, you're gimping, just a fact. You're using written material for Star Wars and deciding on your own that Star Trek written material is not allowed, just cos. Win by gimp here, if you must. But it's irrelevant, as ground combat is irrelevant in a battle that would be decided in space. So there's really nothing to debate here.

Now you're trolling me (again) by claiming I'm ignoring your points, when this is what you have done here over and over again. Watch.

Krenim time-weapon, solos all of Star Wars. You've got nothing to counter this.

You really should take the time to learn about Star Trek, which is what a sensible person would do, before dictating an outcome.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, you're gimping, just a fact. You're using written material for Star Wars and deciding on your own that Star Trek written material is not allowed, just cos. Win by gimp here, if you must. But it's irrelevant, as ground combat is irrelevant in a battle that would be decided in space. So there's really nothing to debate here.

Now you're trolling me (again) by claiming I'm ignoring your points, when this is what you have done here over and over again. Watch.

Krenim time-weapon, solos all of Star Wars. You've got nothing to counter this.

You really should take the time to learn about Star Trek, which is what a sensible person would do, before dictating an outcome.

Did you IGNORE WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING?

I'm not simply not allowing Star TREK EU content "just cos" like you claim.

I am not allowing Star TREK Eu content because official Star Trek sources say that Star TREK EU is NOT part of Star TREK canon.

I allow Star WARS EU canon because official Star Wars sources say that Star WARS EU IS part of Star WARS canon.

Basically:

Star Wars EU is canon because Star Wars official sources (in this case George Lucas) say so.
Star TREK Eu is NOT part of Star TREK canon because official sources say so.

Before we go on to talk about other parts, explain to me why you literally ignore this. How am I gimping when I am going by official Star Wars and Star Trek sources? Explain. Or apologize.

Explain why you outright lie and say that I'm deciding this on my own when I'm going by official sources. Do you understand what official means?

Also, even if Star Trek novels are for some reason allowed, how do they stand up to Star Wars ground forces? They don't.

Prove it, or just accept that the only way you can win your ground forces angle is by gimping. Though as I said, ground combat is irrelevant here.

Prove it's not canon, or STFU.

Originally posted by Robtard
Prove it.

You finally stopped ignoring my point.

For Star Wars: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon
For Star Trek: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Canon

Before you claim that these aren't official sources:

1. Jaden101 draws a large portion of his claims from Memory Alpha.
2. These encyclopedias use official sources as sources.
3. There are many other websites that confirm the information shown in those two links.

Before we continue debating other parts of Star Wars vs Star Trek, explain to me why you claimed that I "gimped" them and "decided on my own" to allow novels for Star Wars but not Star Trek "just cos" when I explained why in several posts, many of which you quoted but apparently didn't read.

LoL, fail. You should really read more closely. Remember your insistence that your source for Star Trek power was canon while somehow the TV shows weren't, or didn't outweight it? This was your entire basis of why Star Wars would win, there are "too powerful", well guess what, that source you used it not canon, go read that link. The TV shows are.

So as it stands and by your own reasoning of "too much power to do anything against them", Star Trek would obliterate, as Jaden showed, ST ships/tech runs at many, many, many times higher output than Star Wars.

Congrats on "pwning" yourself.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, fail. You should really read more closely. Remember your insistence that your source for Star Trek power was canon while somehow the TV shows weren't, or didn't outweight it? This was your entire basis of why Star Wars would win, there are "too powerful", well guess what, that source you used it not canon, go read read that link. The TV shows are.

So as it stands and by your own reasoning of "too much power to do anything against them", Star Trek would obliterate, as Jaden showed, ST ships/tech runs at many, many, many times higher output than Star Wars.

Congrats on "pwning" yourself.

1. Memory Alpha talked about earlier reference books, not later, more up to date ones. Later reference books are still canon.

2. Even without said reference books, there is a lot of on screen evidence to show that Star Trek shields and weapons are far inferior in most cases to Star Wars shields and weapons. For example, ramming consistently works in Star Trek, showing that Star Trek shields can't handle a ramming ship. Also, it was stated that it would take an entire payload of Star Trek proton torpedoes to destroy a relatively small asteroid, while star destroyers from Star Wars have enough firepower to easily one shot asteroids of that size. A quote from stardestoyer.net: "weapon carrying "four hundred gigawatts of particle energy" can knock down GCS shields, which must be "re-assembled" after being knocked down5"

3. You're still dodging the point. Explain to me why you falsey accused me of "gimping" despite me explaining my position in several posts, many of which you actually quoted and responded to. Usually in a debate when you quote something it would make sense to actually read the post that you quote.

Fail, it clearly says the shows and movies are canon.

Fair enough, I was wrong, the novels aren't counted, Star Trek has very little ground forces. Not that it matters, as Star Trek ships/tech run at levels above and beyond of Star Wars.

Like a troll, you now ignore your own earlier premise of "more power wins", because it no longer suits you. Sad dude. Sad.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fail, it clearly says the shows and movies are canon.

Fair enough, I was wrong, the novels aren't counted, Star Trek has very little ground forces. Not that it matters, as Star Trek ships/tech run at levels above and beyond of Star Wars.

Like a troll, you now ignore your own earlier premise of "more power wins", because it no longer suits you. Sad dude. Sad.

You were wrong, which I stated several times in posts that you quoted and yet didn't appear to actually read.

Yet my earlier premise of Star Wars having superior technology still stands. There is evidence from both reference books (some more up to date ones may be canon) and on screen evidence, as I explained in my previous post, which you seemed to ignore. On screen evidence shows that Star Trek shields are FAR inferior to Star Wars shields. Star Trek shields are capable of resisting Star Trek weapons for a while, thus showing that Star Trek weapons are FAR inferior to Star Wars weapons and shields.

Also:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Shields/index.html

LoL, dude. Stop embarrassing yourself and stop trolling.

You based your numbers on a bit of literature; Jaden based his numbers from the TV show; through your own folly, you've clearly shown that the literature in not canon and the TV shows are (though anyone with basic ST knowledge already knows that TV shows are canon for ST).

Therefore, Star Trek ships operate at vastly higher power levels over Star Wars ships and per your own reasoning, this would win it. But suddenly, that no longer matters, go figure, troll.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, dude. Stop embarrassing yourself and stop trolling.

You based your numbers on a bit of literature; Jaden based his numbers from the TV show; through your own folly, you've clearly shown that the literature in not canon and the TV shows are (though anyone with common sense already knows that TV shows are canon for ST).

Therefore, Star Trek ships operate at vastly higher power levels over Star Wars ships and per your own reasoning, this would win it. But suddenly, that no longer matters, go figure, troll.

A civilian freighter from Star Wars flew within 1000 km of a neutron star without suffering any noticeable damage.

Star Trek captains were reluctant to fly within 2 million km of a neutron star.

A quote from stardestroyer.net:

"The shields on a GCS cannot withstand the windstorms inside a gas giant's atmosphere"

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, dude. Stop embarrassing yourself and stop trolling.

You based your numbers on a bit of literature; Jaden based his numbers from the TV show; through your own folly, you've clearly shown that the literature in not canon and the TV shows are (though anyone with basic ST knowledge already knows that TV shows are canon for ST).

Therefore, Star Trek ships operate at vastly higher power levels over Star Wars ships and per your own reasoning, this would win it. But suddenly, that no longer matters, go figure, troll.

Actually respond to my rational arguments or concede.

You ignored this:

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
A [b]civilian freighter from Star Wars flew within 1000 km of a neutron star without suffering any noticeable damage.

Star Trek captains were reluctant to fly within 2 million km of a neutron star.

A quote from stardestroyer.net:

"The shields on a GCS cannot withstand the windstorms inside a gas giant's atmosphere" [/B]

The next person who re-quotes himself in this thread is gonna get a warning from me. Period.

I'm sick and tired of this "I'm going to re-quote myself to sustain my argument" crap.

Either get a new spiel, or quit the debate so the trolling can subside.