Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
wow, just wow..star trek stomps...
not much in star wars universe that can win here
In three seconds: Original Enterprise > Star Destroyers. (this is grealty downplaying the Enterprise)
Plus, Kirk would totally kick Hans ass in a fist fight and he's pulled more chicks.
Originally posted by Robtard
In three seconds: Original Enterprise > Star Destroyers. (this is grealty downplaying the Enterprise)
BS. You're twisting facts. The original Enterprise did not survive a direct hit from that planet buster at full power. It fought the planet buster (and got pwned), but the planet buster wasn't using it's planet busting weapon on it.
By your logic, Luke in an X-wing destroyed the first Death Star and emerged without significant damage (R2D2 was repaired pretty quickly), so by that logic an X-wing > a planet buster, which pwned the Enterprise.
I'll post this again (since you keep on ignoring it, Mr. Hypocrite):
Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatt reactor core
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatt reactor core
Plus, Kirk would totally kick Hans ass in a fist fight and he's pulled more chicks.
What about Luke? 😉 Luke vs Kirk lol Luke would win, obviously.
BTW, a borg cube got defeated by Federation starships using 1160 megaton weapons and firing at less than a kilometer away.
Said borg cube was incapable of consistently hitting the starships attacking it.
This shows how weak Star Trek ships are compared to Star Wars ships, which could one shot a borg cube by using 2.4 million megaton weapons.
Originally posted by -Pr-
😂 for real?
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Planet_killer
"As the Constellation approached, it was attacked by the planet killer. The ship's deflector shields were quickly overwhelmed by the onslaught, and the machine proved completely invulnerable to counterattack, because its hull was composed of pure neutronium. The Constellation sustained heavy damage – the main bridge was destroyed, the phaser banks were exhausted, and the warp drive was destroyed, impulse drive severely damaged." -end snip
Despite his lies above, the USS Constellation survived, as Kirk's Enterprise later encountered it adrift in space. The USS Constellation and USS Enterprise are both 23rd century Constitution Class star-ships.
Ergo, an outdated science-vessel from Star Trek could possibly take what the DeathStar shoots. Though it could certainly take on multiple Star Destroyers without a problem. Flying circles around them, while firing from warp-speeds. Talk about terms of ship power.
Originally posted by Robtard
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Planet_killer"[b]As the Constellation approached, it was attacked by the planet killer. The ship's deflector shields were quickly overwhelmed by the onslaught, and the machine proved completely invulnerable to counterattack, because its hull was composed of pure neutronium. The Constellation sustained heavy damage – the main bridge was destroyed, the phaser banks were exhausted, and the warp drive was destroyed, impulse drive severely damaged.
" -end snipDespite his lies above, the USS Constellation survived, as Kirk's Enterprise later encountered it adrift in space. The USS Constellation and USS Enterprise are both 23rd century Constitution Class star-ships.
Ergo, an outdated science-vessel from Star Trek could possibly take what the DeathStar shoots. Though it could certainly take on multiple Star Destroyers without a problem. Flying circles around them, while firing from warp-speeds. Talk about terms of ship power. [/B]
*sigh*
BS. You're twisting facts. The original Enterprise did not survive a direct hit from that planet buster at full power (despite YOUR lies and twisting, this sentence does not mean that the ship didn't survive; it means that the ship wasn't attacked by a planet busting weapon). It fought the planet buster (and got pwned), but the planet buster wasn't using it's planet busting weapon on it.
By your logic, Luke in an X-wing destroyed the first Death Star and emerged without significant damage (R2D2 was repaired pretty quickly), so by that logic an X-wing > a planet buster, which pwned the Enterprise.
I'll post this again (since you keep on ignoring it, Mr. Hypocrite):
Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatt reactor core
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatt reactor core
During the Battle of Endor, Rebel ships were taking on the Death Star, and, unlike the Enterprise in Robtard's scenario, many survived without getting virtually destroyed. Using Robtard's twisted logic against him, that means that Star Wars star destroyers can not only survive a planet buster (which is more powerful than the Doomsday machine, since the Death Star superlaser blew the planet into smaller pieces), but can survive a planet buster, several star destroyers with 2.4 million megaton weapons AND emerge unscathed.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Its funny how Hew is still talking when most of the people in thread has him on ignore.
You do realize that you're not actually providing an argument and have contributed absolutely nothing to this thread, right?
BTW, you're the only one in this thread that seems to have me on ignore.
Also:
The Celestials have devices capable of creating black holes. Using the Star Forge, Star Wars mass produces Centerpoint Stations and then consumes the Star Trek galaxy in a mass of black holes.
(this is actually a serious, valid argument, far more valid that Robtard's twisting of facts)
/thread
Oh, and in this one battle, the Enterprise was harmed by debris crashing into it. 😉
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html
you used a star wars site? classy.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatt reactor power
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatt reactor powerStar Wars: 2.4 million megaton conventional weapons
Star Trek: 1160 megaton conventional weaponsStar Wars: can create black holes from a distance
Star Trek: zomg can destroy 4 light years of space, but has to deploy using shipStar Wars: shields can withstand weeks of battle with 2.4 million megaton weapons
Star Trek: shields cannot withstand a ship ramming into itStar Wars: ships often fight at thousands of miles away, and starfighters give star destroyers an "attack range" of lightyears
Star Trek: ships often fight within a kilometer of eachother.
funny how you just stated actual lies about star trek. nice.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
BTW, a borg cube got defeated by Federation starships using 1160 megaton weapons and firing at less than a kilometer away.Said borg cube was incapable of consistently hitting the starships attacking it.
This shows how weak Star Trek ships are compared to Star Wars ships, which could one shot a borg cube by using 2.4 million megaton weapons.
more lies. but go ahead, keep trolling.
Originally posted by Robtard
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Planet_killer"[b]As the Constellation approached, it was attacked by the planet killer. The ship's deflector shields were quickly overwhelmed by the onslaught, and the machine proved completely invulnerable to counterattack, because its hull was composed of pure neutronium. The Constellation sustained heavy damage – the main bridge was destroyed, the phaser banks were exhausted, and the warp drive was destroyed, impulse drive severely damaged.
" -end snipDespite his lies above, the USS Constellation survived, as Kirk's Enterprise later encountered it adrift in space. The USS Constellation and USS Enterprise are both 23rd century Constitution Class star-ships.
Ergo, an outdated science-vessel from Star Trek could possibly take what the DeathStar shoots. Though it could certainly take on multiple Star Destroyers without a problem. Flying circles around them, while firing from warp-speeds. Talk about terms of ship power. [/B]
i meant the star wars part lol
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You do realize that you're not actually providing an argument and have contributed absolutely nothing to this thread, right?BTW, you're the only one in this thread that seems to have me on ignore.
he's still contributed more than you, in that he hasn't told blatant lies about a subject he knows nothing about.
Originally posted by -Pr-
you used a star wars site? classy.
Whether or not it was a Star Wars site or a Star Trek site does not change the fact that the numbers were derived from canon sources.
funny how you just stated actual lies about star trek. nice.
more lies. but go ahead, keep trolling.
Except that you fail to explain how any of these are "lies".
i meant the star wars part lol
Centerpoint station + Star Forge = army of Centerpoint Stations
Army of Centerpoint Stations = capability to create a HUGE mass of black holes, directed at the Star Trek galaxy
HUGE mass of black holes strategically placed around the Star Trek galaxy = bye bye Star Trek galaxy
he's still contributed more than you, in that he hasn't told blatant lies about a subject he knows nothing about.
1. Explain how any of what I said was blatant lies. They were based off of canon sources.
2. You do realize that he has posted absolutely nothing other than insults for several pages, right? I wonder if he's a sock, although he joined quite a while back.
3. Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)
You lose.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Whether or not it was a Star Wars site or a Star Trek site does not change the fact that the numbers were derived from [b]canon sources.[/b]
the canonicity of star trek technical manuals is ambiguous at best, first of all.
Except that you fail to explain how any of these are "lies".
would it make any difference if i did? i'm genuinely asking.
Centerpoint station + Star Forge = army of Centerpoint Stations
Army of Centerpoint Stations = capability to create a HUGE mass of black holes, directed at the Star Trek galaxy
HUGE mass of black holes strategically placed around the Star Trek galaxy = bye bye Star Trek galaxy
and the star trek ships will just stand by and let this happen?
1. Explain how any of what I said was blatant lies. They were based off of canon sources.
lies:
Star Trek ships fight less than a kilometer away from each other. False.
Your numbers are contradicted by the ON-SCREEN (and thereby more canon) sources of Star Trek.
your statement that it could one shot a borg cube counts too.
2. You do realize that he has posted absolutely nothing other than insults for several pages, right? I wonder if he's a sock, although he joined quite a while back.
i know what he's posted. it doesn't change my stance.
3. Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)You lose.
except not.
Hypothetical war and how it would turn out
Note: anybody that wants to rationally and nicely try and prove me wrong is welcome to do so, but don't quote this thread and then respond to it with an irrelevant, unsupported "zomg that's all lies and you're an idiot!"
For balance sake, this won't take into account superweapons, since if we were to take that into account Star Wars would win quite handily.
Week 1: The Federation consists of about 150 planets, and most of the other Star Trek factions have similar numbers. The Star Wars coalition could therefore send one star destroyer accompanied by enough transports to fit 1 million men and supporting vehicles and supplies for an occupation to each of these planets. Occupation would be easy as defending fleets would not be a match for 2.4 million megaton turbolasers firing from thousands of miles away.
Month 1: With the Federation, Romulans, Klingons and most other Star Trek civilizations neutralized, remaining colonies and fleets will be trapped without any resources and forced to surrender. Any attempt to counterattack would surely prove futile against superior Star Wars forces.
Month 2: With most of the Star Trek civilizations defeated, the two major survivors would be the borg and species 8472. A powerful Jedi such as Luke Skywalker as of LOTF could mind read a borg drone and figure out the location of the transwarp hubs, or probe droids could be sent. Either way, fleets of star destroyers could easily destroy the transwarp hubs. Meanwhile, the borg and species 8472 may try and counterattack, but even these two are heavily outmatched and would not be prepared for starfighters. Borg cubes were harmed by 1160 megaton weapons would would get destroyed by a single volley from a star destroyer with hundreds of 2.4 million megaton turbolaser blasts.
Month 3: With their transwarp hubs destroyed, the borg will not have the capabilities to attack Star Wars planets without taking decades to do so. Species 8742 would be the only threat left, yet even they would fall. The borg were capable of harming species 8472 ships, yet Federation starships were capable of taking hits from borg cubes, showing that species 8472 ships can get harmed by weapons that are clearly not anywhere near 2.4 million megaton weapons.
Star Wars wins.
Not naming any names:
BTW, the Force is capable of influencing events pretty much to any degree that he/she/it wants. For example, the Force would often make it so that a certain person would meet a certain person at a certain time and a certain event would happen. The Chose One prophecy shows that the Force can accurately predict specific events tens of thousands of years in advance.In fact, flow walking and the Fountain of Knowledge shows that the Force represents all that there is and ever will be.
The Force solos.
Originally posted by -Pr-
the canonicity of star trek technical manuals is ambiguous at best, first of all.
And if you were to pay attention you'd realize that my current figures are only using the Star Wars figures; the Star Trek figures I am getting based on calculations and on screen evidence.
would it make any difference if i did? i'm genuinely asking.
You were stating that they were "lies" without providing any proof as to how nor even specifying what parts were "lies".
and the star trek ships will just stand by and let this happen?
What are they going to do about it? Centerpoint station can fire from light years away. Star Trek won't even be able to locate it.
lies:
Star Trek ships fight less than a kilometer away from each other. False.
I've watched some of the Federation vs borg fights. They fight at ranges within 5 kilometers and in some other fights even less than that.
Your numbers are contradicted by the ON-SCREEN (and thereby more canon) sources of Star Trek.
On the contrary, my numbers for Star Wars were from official sources and my numbers for Star Trek were based on on screen sources. Stop lying.
your statement that it could one shot a borg cube counts too.
A borg cube got harmed by Federation proton torpedos, which are about 1160 megatons. Logic would therefore dictate that a borg cube could get destroyed by a star destroyer firing hundreds of 2.4 million (note: MILLION) megaton blasts every few seconds.
i know what he's posted. it doesn't change my stance.
You're avoiding the point.
except not.
Then counter:
Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)
Originally posted by -Pr-
If we've learned anything here, we've learned that no amount of logic or reasoning, no matter how sound or plausible, can counter this level of Star Wars fanboyism.
I've given up responding to him here; others have put him on ignore. You might want to consider either and save yourself a mind-droning.
Originally posted by Robtard
If we've learned anything here, we've learned that no amount of logic or reasoning, no matter how sound or plausible, can counter this level of Star Wars fanboyism.I've given up responding to him here; others have put him on ignore. You might want to consider either and save yourself a mind-droning.
Robtard, do you not realize how hypocritical you are acting?
There are times when you'd quote my argument, completely ignore it and then say something like "zomg you're wrong and you're retarded hahahaha!!!!!!!"
Why don't you try and be nice and counter this (which you've been ignoring for several pages):
Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)