Star Wars vs Star Trek, Lord of the Rings and Battlestar Galactica

Originally posted by Robtard
If we've learned anything here, we've learned that no amount of logic or reasoning, no matter how sound or plausible, can counter this level of Star Wars fanboyism.

I've given up responding to him here; others have put him on ignore. You might want to consider either and save yourself a mind-droning.

honestly you're right. he's just like a broken record who doesn't even have the courtesy to look up star trek information, and then claims to know what he's talking about.

it's sad, really.

Originally posted by Robtard
In three seconds: Original Enterprise > Star Destroyers. (this is grealty downplaying the Enterprise)

Plus, Kirk would totally kick Hans ass in a fist fight and he's pulled more chicks.

yep

Originally posted by -Pr-
honestly you're right. he's just like a broken record who doesn't even have the courtesy to look up star trek information, and then claims to know what he's talking about.

it's sad, really.

Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)

You obviously can't counter this, so you jump at the opportunity to counter my argument. Why don't you actually counter my arguments instead of absolutely ignoring them?

Originally posted by -Pr-
honestly you're right. he's just like a broken record who doesn't even have the courtesy to look up star trek information, and then claims to know what he's talking about.

it's sad, really.

He's still PMing me about the 'planet killer', I've told him to watch the episode; then respond. He said "it's not my job", though this hasn't stopped him from making up "facts" about it: 'its crew wouldn't attack a ship with it's planet busting weapon.'

Fact: The planet killer was a drone, it had no crew.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
yep

*sigh*

Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)

Originally posted by Robtard
He's still PMing me about the 'planet killer', I've told him to watch the episode; then respond. He said "it's not my job", though this hasn't stopped him from making up "facts" about it: 'its crew wouldn't attack a ship with it's planet busting weapon.'

Fact: The planet killer was a drone, it had no crew.

You're nitpicking and you know. Whether or not it had a crew isn't relevant to the discussion.

Show me proof that the planet buster was actually firing its super gun thingy when its obviously intended to fired against (gasp!) planets. Who's to say that the operators of the ship would waste ammo firing on a ship that the superweapon probably can't even hit?

It's like claiming that a guy can survive a direct hit from a nuclear bomb because he survived a gunshot from a guard guarding it. 🙄

Proof was shown, but ignored. LoL.

Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)

Hew is reported for trolling.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatt reactor power
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatt reactor power

Star Wars: 2.4 million megaton conventional weapons
Star Trek: 1160 megaton conventional weapons

Star Wars: can create black holes from a distance
Star Trek: zomg can destroy 4 light years of space, but has to deploy using ship

Star Wars: shields can withstand weeks of battle with 2.4 million megaton weapons
Star Trek: shields cannot withstand a ship ramming into it

Star Wars: ships often fight at thousands of miles away, and starfighters give star destroyers an "attack range" of lightyears
Star Trek: ships often fight within a kilometer of eachother.

knowing all this won't change the fact that Star Wars loses..

you have the borg which will easily assimilate them...

it was already proven in the MVF that the Enterprise destroys a Star Destroyer as well..

the shields of the Enterprise will hold up and fire lasers and pho ton torpedoes which will destroy..

oh and unless the star wars folks can find a cloaked Enterprise from the TNG ep "Pegasus" they won't even know what hit them until it is too late.. in fact doubtful anyway star wars can handle a clocked klingon bird of prey or a clocked romulan warbird which have excellent firepower

Originally posted by The Nuul
Hew is reported for trolling.

It won't matter. Guy's been blantantly trolling here for pages and pages. Not responding to him directly is the only way.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
knowing all this won't change the fact that Star Wars loses..

Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)

you have the borg which will easily assimilate them...

The borg have never encountered and won against a society as advanced as Star Wars. The borg were able to adapt to 1160 megaton force weapons, but that doesn't mean that they can adapt to 2.4 million megaton force weapons. I don't think you understand the HUGE technological difference.

it was already proven in the MVF that the Enterprise destroys a Star Destroyer as well..

the shields of the Enterprise will hold up and fire lasers and pho ton torpedoes which will destroy..

A star destroyer can survive week long battles against other star destroyers with 2.4 million megaton force weapons and you're telling me that 1160 megaton weapons will even scratch a star destroyer?

Also, star destroyers often fight at thousands of miles away whereas the Enterprise often fights at ranges within 5 miles, and its weapons move very slowly, too slow to hit, say, a starfighter.

oh and unless the star wars folks can find a cloaked Enterprise from the TNG ep "Pegasus" they won't even know what hit them until it is too late.. in fact doubtful anyway star wars can handle a clocked klingon bird of prey or a clocked romulan warbird which have excellent firepower

Star Wars has claoked vessels as well.

BTW, "excellent firepower" is still in the 1160 megaton range, which is several orders of magnitude below Star Wars.

Originally posted by Robtard
It won't matter. Guy's been blantantly trolling here for pages and pages. Not responding to him directly is the only way.

Oh I know, still worth a shot.

Robtard;

Explain to me how Star Trek counters Star Wars Stealth X's.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)

You obviously can't counter this, so you jump at the opportunity to counter my argument. Why don't you actually counter my arguments instead of absolutely ignoring them?

it wouldn't be an issue if you had an actual argument, falling back on inaccurate numbers when you get shown up.

The numbers are contradicted by on screen examples, which trump any manuals.

Han Solo said it would take a thousand star destroyers to destroy a planet.

In Star Trek (Episode 3x21 ST: DS9) a fleet of twenty ships with one volley destroyed thirty percent of the planet's crust.

You said Star Trek weapons were slow: They aren't. Phaser arrays can fire more than one blast at a time at different targets (either from the same array or separate ones), and rapid fire ships like the klingon bird of prey and the uss defiant can fire their pulse weapons with amazing speed and accuracy.

And in the episode "Conundrum" of St: TNG, the Enteprise D, not nearly starfleet's most advanced ship, was able to target several vessels at almost the same time and hit all of them.

Range? You PICK one example of them fighting the Borg (a ship that is many kilometres across by itself) as your example, even though in the FIRST episode of Deep Space Nine, they show ships many kilometres away firing at the Borg cube.

No ground forces?

The Federation have personal shields and phasers that can cause massive craters with one shot.

The Klingons are trained for war from the time they are children.

The Jem'Hadar can cloak themselves and are genetically bred for combat. They make stormtroopers look like teddybears.

The Borg can adapt and assimilate on the fly.

All of the above have weapons that can fire on full auto, and several have grenades.

Then there's the scary stuff.

Almost every ship in Star Trek can scan many lightyears. Nobody is sneaking up on them. Even when stationary, they can scan ships approaching at high warp speeds using their long range sensors.

Star Trek transporters are fine. Try looking up the context before you spout off comments about what you think you know.

also, yes, i know what Nuul posted. My point stands.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it wouldn't be an issue if you had an actual argument, falling back on inaccurate numbers when you get shown up.

The numbers are contradicted by on screen examples, which trump any manuals.

Han Solo said it would take a thousand star destroyers to destroy a planet.

In Star Trek (Episode 3x21 ST: DS9) a fleet of twenty ships with one volley destroyed thirty percent of the planet's crust.

You said Star Trek weapons were slow: They aren't. Phaser arrays can fire more than one blast at a time at different targets (either from the same array or separate ones), and rapid fire ships like the klingon bird of prey and the uss defiant can fire their pulse weapons with amazing speed and accuracy.

And in the episode "Conundrum" of St: TNG, the Enteprise D, not nearly starfleet's most advanced ship, was able to target several vessels at almost the same time and hit all of them.

Range? You PICK one example of them fighting the Borg (a ship that is many kilometres across by itself) as your example, even though in the FIRST episode of Deep Space Nine, they show ships many kilometres away firing at the Borg cube.

No ground forces?

The Federation have personal shields and phasers that can cause massive craters with one shot.

The Klingons are trained for war from the time they are children.

The Jem'Hadar can cloak themselves and are genetically bred for combat. They make stormtroopers look like teddybears.

The Borg can adapt and assimilate on the fly.

All of the above have weapons that can fire on full auto, and several have grenades.

Then there's the scary stuff.

Almost every ship in Star Trek can scan many lightyears. Nobody is sneaking up on them. Even when stationary, they can scan ships approaching at high warp speeds using their long range sensors.

Star Trek transporters are fine. Try looking up the context before you spout off comments about what you think you know.

also, yes, i know what Nuul posted. My point stands.

You do realize that almost all of what you said Star Trek can do Star Wars can do and better? For example, Star Wars can scan lightyears as well.

Also, you go your math messed up. Destroying 30% of the planet's crust is far easier than destroying an entire planet (also you didn't specify the size of the planet) not only because of the difference between 100% and 30%, but because gravity would pull the planet back together, so therefore, it would have to be enough force to scatter the remains of the planets so far that it overcomes gravity.

The amount required is estimated to be over 10^26 joules.

Also, none of this counters this:

Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)

Originally posted by -Pr-
it wouldn't be an issue if you had an actual argument, falling back on inaccurate numbers when you get shown up.

The numbers are contradicted by on screen examples, which trump any manuals.

Han Solo said it would take a thousand star destroyers to destroy a planet.

In Star Trek (Episode 3x21 ST: DS9) a fleet of twenty ships with one volley destroyed thirty percent of the planet's crust.

You said Star Trek weapons were slow: They aren't. Phaser arrays can fire more than one blast at a time at different targets (either from the same array or separate ones), and rapid fire ships like the klingon bird of prey and the uss defiant can fire their pulse weapons with amazing speed and accuracy.

And in the episode "Conundrum" of St: TNG, the Enteprise D, not nearly starfleet's most advanced ship, was able to target several vessels at almost the same time and hit all of them.

Range? You PICK one example of them fighting the Borg (a ship that is many kilometres across by itself) as your example, even though in the FIRST episode of Deep Space Nine, they show ships many kilometres away firing at the Borg cube.

No ground forces?

The Federation have personal shields and phasers that can cause massive craters with one shot.

The Klingons are trained for war from the time they are children.

The Jem'Hadar can cloak themselves and are genetically bred for combat. They make stormtroopers look like teddybears.

The Borg can adapt and assimilate on the fly.

All of the above have weapons that can fire on full auto, and several have grenades.

Then there's the scary stuff.

Almost every ship in Star Trek can scan many lightyears. Nobody is sneaking up on them. Even when stationary, they can scan ships approaching at high warp speeds using their long range sensors.

Star Trek transporters are fine. Try looking up the context before you spout off comments about what you think you know.

also, yes, i know what Nuul posted. My point stands.

excellent points

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
excellent points

I would appreciate it if you were to counter my rebuttal to you.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)

The borg have never encountered and won against a society as advanced as Star Wars. The borg were able to adapt to 1160 megaton force weapons, but that doesn't mean that they can adapt to 2.4 million megaton force weapons. I don't think you understand the HUGE technological difference.

A star destroyer can survive week long battles against other star destroyers with [b]2.4 million megaton force weapons and you're telling me that 1160 megaton weapons will even scratch a star destroyer?

Also, star destroyers often fight at thousands of miles away whereas the Enterprise often fights at ranges within 5 miles, and its weapons move very slowly, too slow to hit, say, a starfighter.

Star Wars has claoked vessels as well.

BTW, "excellent firepower" is still in the 1160 megaton range, which is several orders of magnitude below Star Wars. [/B]

yet it will destroy star wars ships

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You do realize that almost all of what you said Star Trek can do Star Wars can do and better? For example, Star Wars can scan lightyears as well.

Also, you go your math messed up. Destroying 30% of the planet's crust is far easier than destroying an entire planet (also you didn't specify the size of the planet) not only because of the difference between 100% and 30%, but because gravity would pull the planet back together, so therefore, it would have to be enough force to scatter the remains of the planets so far that it overcomes gravity.

The amount required is estimated to be over 10^26 joules.

Also, none of this counters this:

Star Wars: 200 trillion gigawatts (canon source)
Star Trek: 15 billion gigawatts (canon source)

i never was stupid enough to state that star wars couldn't scan lightyears.

it was their first volley. a mere drop in a pond compared to what they could bring to bear.

your numbers aren't canon because they're contradicted by one screen sources.