Originally posted by KMCmember
Let's compare the two of us's arguments:I use Science and mathematical calculations
You use random pictures and copy Jaden101Now why don't you prove my calculations wrong or STFU?
Correction. You use incorrect figures.
If someone else has already shown the work, why should I redo it? Especially considering you'll ignore, as you have.
Where do you get your 65 megaton yield from?
Memory-Alpha supports what Jaden posted, though he seems to low-ball it a bit:
"The second type, at maximum yield, achieves the level of destructive force of an antimatter pod rupture. Antimatter is stored as liquid or slush on starships. (pg. 69) Density of mere liquid antideuterium is around 160 kilograms per cubic meter. According to this comparison the high annihilation rate energy release would be comparable to about 690 gigatons. For the sake of plausibility the affected blast area at these intensities might be extremely small. Visual effects on-screen would seem to confirm this."
Originally posted by Robtard
Correction. You use incorrect figures.If someone else has already shown the work, why should I redo it? Especially considering you'll ignore, as you have.
Where do you get your 65 megaton yield from?
Memory-Alpha supports what Jaden posted, though he seems to low-ball it a bit:
"The second type, at maximum yield, achieves the level of destructive force of an antimatter pod rupture. Antimatter is stored as liquid or slush on starships. (pg. 69) Density of mere liquid antideuterium is around 160 kilograms per cubic meter. [b]According to this comparison the high annihilation rate energy release would be comparable to about 690 gigatons
. For the sake of plausibility the affected blast area at these intensities might be extremely small. Visual effects on-screen would seem to confirm this."
That's the rate of releasing the energy, not the actual total energy released. It's also making a lot of assumptions, including a 100% efficiency and equal antimatter payload.
Good try though.
Originally posted by jaden101
You don't use science and maths...You copy and paste stardestroyer.net.
Wrong. My calculations got the star destroyer shield durability from stardestroyer.net, but the rest of the numbers and my calculations and conversions were done by me.
Originally posted by Robtard
Hahahahahahaha, this guy. So it's settled, a troll copy-pasting incorrect figures. Moving on.
Why don't you use YOUR math skills to prove mine wrong? You keep on claiming that mine are wrong but haven't bothered to prove them wrong. Quote that quote and separate while proving it wrong (or trying to), because you haven't provided one shred of evidence to support your claim.
Before you say "omg the 64 megaton claim isn't canon!" if I were to use the TV shows than the weapon yield would actually be LOWER. Some of the Federation vs borg cube battles show the photon torpedos hitting the inside of a borg cube's armor and causing an explosion in the kiloton range.
Originally posted by Robtard
Stop claiming something's yours when someone else did it and you copy/pasted.So were is your '64 megaton' from? I showed that I got my 690 gigaton from memory-alpha.
1. Prove that I copied it; I didn't. Innocent until proven guilty.
2. I got my 64 megatons from some tech manuals, which aren't completely canon, but are considered by the writers to be "pretty official" and thus overrule Memory Alpha, which is non canon.
If you want a canon weapon yield for the photon torpedos, then that would be in the kiloton range based on the explosions caused during some of the Federation vs borg cube space battles.
Oh, and the 690 gigaton figure was the theoretical RATE of energy released by the photon torpedo, not the actual energy released. Of course, you, given your limited understanding of mathematics and science, probably don't know what the difference is.
Hahhhaahaa, trolling at its finest. You got that number from Wiki, which list the 'TNG: Tech Manual' as the source. It's not canon though.
Using Voyager as a source (ie something that's canon)a Class-6 PT has an explosive yield of 200 isotons / 25 isoton yield. Kim (the Asian) stated that 50 isotons can destroy a small planet.
Memory-Alpha is canon, when they cite the show(s) as a source.
Originally posted by Robtard
Hahhhaahaa, trolling at its finest. You got that number from Wiki, which list the 'TNG: Tech Manual' as the source. It's not canon though.Using Voyager as a source (ie something that's canon)a Class-6 PT has an explosive yield of 200 isotons / 25 isoton yield. Kim (the Asian) stated that 50 isotons can destroy a small planet.
Memory-Alpha is canon, when they cite the show(s) as a source.
In some of the Federation vs borg cube space battles photon torpedos would make an explosion of less than 1 kilometer by 1 kilometer.
That's less than a megaton of tnt and likely a few kilotons of tnt.
Therefore, my over 1 billion photon torpedos needed to get past the shields of a star destroyer is upgraded to over 100 billion photon torpedos needed to get past the shields of a star destroyer.
The entire Federation fleet could fire at a shielded star destroyer for weeks and not do any damage.
i think this would actually make a damn good movie:
OK, I don't want you guys to think I am pro SW here. I know little about ST, I am gonna throw a coupla things out there:
What does ST have that will counter this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Storm_%28wormhole%29
And can't Luke move planets with his mind and shit?
Originally posted by KMCmember
In some of the Federation vs borg cube space battles photon torpedos would make an explosion of less than 1 kilometer by 1 kilometer.That's less than a megaton of tnt and likely a few kilotons of tnt.
Therefore, my over 1 billion photon torpedos needed to get past the shields of a star destroyer is upgraded to over 100 billion photon torpedos needed to get past the shields of a star destroyer.
The entire Federation fleet could fire at a shielded star destroyer for weeks and not do any damage.
Except that your guesses on how powerful an explosion was doesn't supercede what was stated in the show.
But you already know this; will continue to ignore on-screen evidence and continue to troll.
Just as it got old and boring before when you were HWKA, it's boring now.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, I don't want you guys to think I am pro SW here. I know little about ST, I am gonna throw a coupla things out there:What does ST have that will counter this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Storm_%28wormhole%29
And can't Luke move planets with his mind and shit?
If you need a like show of force, a red-matter device/bomb can create a black hole; a tiny amount is enough to 'suck in' a planet. This was shown in the new Star Trek.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You didn't read the link, did you.
I did, actually. It creates a singularity that can 'destroy the surface of planets, consume fleets, be used to transport people across distances or even forward in time.' If you need me to break it down further and hit each and every point, sure:
-Red-matter bomb can create a black-hole; it can completely annihilate a planet, not just the surface. Exploded in the center or close to a fleet, it could likely consume a fleet.
-The transportation aspect can be matched by the Iconian Gateway. Jem' Hadar planned on using one to transport an army(DS9).
-Time-travel has happened many a time in Star Trek. In Star Trek IV, Kirk and crew used an old Klingon Bird of Prey to travel back to the 20th century and then forward again to the 23rd.
Did I miss some aspect of the Force Storm?
Originally posted by Robtard
Except that your guesses on how powerful an explosion was doesn't supercede what was stated in the show.But you already know this; will continue to ignore on-screen evidence and continue to troll.
Just as it got old and boring before when you were HWKA, it's boring now.
The explosions made by the photon torpedos can he quantified by the area of the Borg cube they take up. The explosions are less than a km big at least and a few km big at most, putting their firepower at kiloton range.
Again, the entire Federation fleet could fire at a shielded star destroyer for days and not destroy it.
Also, the red matter weapon, in addition to being strategically inferior to Centerpoint station, is not as powerful. Centerpoint station created cluasters of black holes and created star clusters. That red matter weapon was weaker than a real black hole, hence why it took a while to suck up Vulcan.
Originally posted by RobtardSo it comes down to who is quicker on the draw, then? Seems to me that if the Emperor can create a Force storm at will from across the galaxy, he has a great advantage, because a red matter bomb must be placed and set. If the ST fleet enters the SW galaxy, Palpatine can destroy it from the other side of the galaxy, yes?
I did, actually. It creates a singularity that can 'destroy the surface of planets, consume fleets, be used to transport people across distances or even forward in time.' If you need me to break it down further and hit each and every point, sure:-Red-matter bomb can create a black-hole; it can completely annihilate a planet, not just the surface. Exploded in the center or close to a fleet, it could likely consume a fleet.
-The transportation aspect can be matched by the Iconian Gateway. Jem' Hadar planned on using one to transport an army(DS9).
-Time-travel has happened many a time in Star Trek. In Star Trek IV, Kirk and crew used an old Klingon Bird of Prey to travel back to the 20th century and then forward again to the 23rd.
Did I miss some aspect of the Force Storm?
Again, I am just inquiring here.