Originally posted by quanchi112
The body builder. One can bench/lift more weight while one's punches hurt a lot more.
Originally posted by zeel
Thanos handled WM thor with the PG supes is not doing this, supes would have issues with just thor alone. Unless thor fights like a retard.......this is not even debatable thanos 10/10
Thor doesn't have Superman's speed. Superman is fast enough to avoid any of Thanos attacks. How strong do you think the PG made Thor? That's right, you don't know. From the look of the fight I say I was seeing a normal Thor battling Thanos.
So you are secretly claiming that Superman can't hurt Thanos with his attacks and that Superman is not fast enough to avoid any of Thanos attacks. try again.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
but did he ever lift anything? 😕and karate kid could handle pre-crisis superboy, and thanos handled thor and hulk with ease without using any overt skill ....all very confusing.....
we need your physics skills to make sense of all of this.
Handling someone entails many different things. ABC logic doesn't usually work since characters don't quite have the same abilities or skills (more like rock paper scissors) and that many fights don't have character doing what they are capable of. For example, speedsters not using their speed in the comic fight.
Pre-crisis stuff is bugs bunny stuff. You didn't know that?
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor doesn't have Superman's speed. Superman is fast enough to avoid any of Thanos attacks. How strong do you think the PG made Thor? That's right, you don't know. From the look of the fight I say I was seeing a normal Thor battling Thanos.So you are secretly claiming that Superman can't hurt Thanos with his attacks and that Superman is not fast enough to avoid any of Thanos attacks. try again.
Originally posted by quanchi112Durability and strength are two different things. Thor being stronger and Thanos being more durable just means that the fight will turn out like it did. But know that Thor had him on the ropes and then let up. All he had to do was continue to combo him until ko.
Because Thor wasn't manhandling Thanos with his growing strength. If he was a lot stronger than Thanos he'd have done so. You keep making claims and proving nothing.
Again beating someone has nothing to do with strength.Thanos has fought a normal Thor before when Thanos was weaker against the Thing as well. Thor didn't beat him then. I already posted scans of Thor needing all kinds of goodies to beat a Thanos clone.
Superman is faster too.Because Superman appeared stronger in the avengers crossover. Feats don't prove he is stronger than Thor. You can make a case they are equals to boot or Supes durability is greater.
The OE is power of the source and the source>>>> Thanos.Who has it eliminated? Darkseid isn't the source. The source has nothing to do with Thanos taking on darkseid. You are out of your depth yet again.
How did Thanos prove his superiority to the Hulk in strength? By using his better agility to make Hulk look dumb? Or was it when he used his far stronger muscles to overpower Hulk's weaker muscles?Thanos proved his superiority to the Hulk by his strength alone. No surprise here you come with your complete lack of common sense saying it doesn't count again.
Originally posted by darthgooberHow do you know Thanos was far less powerful? Why say Thor was a fair share more powerful with the Gem when it is impossible to tell? There was no evidence that supported that. The evidence actually support that he didn't gain much strength from the gem just by how far back Thor was hitting Thanos.
"Normal" Thor got beaten by pre-resurrection Thanos(who was far less powerful than he was in Blood and Thunder) in something like a punch and two blasts. I'd say he was a fair share more powerful with the Gem...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalmThor isn't stronger than Thanos. That's just stupid.
Of course there isn't a lot of showings to prove Thanos' strength without energy amp etc.
I'd be hard pressed to say Thanos is 50% stronger than Thor though.
Well if you accept the unwritten rules that a character is stronger than another if they can win a brawl against that other then you are right, it is stupid not to think Thanos is stronger than Thor.
But unfortunately I don't accept those unwritten rules.
Now if Thanos grappled with Thor where it was shown he overpowered Thor then I would certainly agree that Thanos is stronger.
Lifting feats aren't the only means to prove who is stronger.
Originally posted by h1a8
How do you know Thanos was [b]far less powerful? Why say Thor was a fair share more powerful with the Gem when it is impossible to tell? There was no evidence that supported that. The evidence actually support that he didn't gain much strength from the gem just by how far back Thor was hitting Thanos. [/B]
Originally posted by h1a8
Well if you accept the unwritten rules that a character is stronger than another if they can win a brawl against that other then you are right, it is stupid not to think Thanos is stronger than Thor.But unfortunately I don't accept those unwritten rules.
Now if Thanos grappled with Thor where it was shown he overpowered Thor then I would certainly agree that Thanos is stronger.
Lifting feats aren't the only means to prove who is stronger.
So..H118 couple of questions...
1. Do you agree that villains in general don't have lifting feats of any kind really. There may be some rare exceptions, but for the most part, people like Thanos, DS, DD don't have lifting feats?
Now, this seem to be something you always fall back on the proverbial.... Supes is 100000000 times stronger than Thor because he lifted this or moved this yada yada. The problem is that for people like Thanos you can't expect him to have such feats. What you can expect is the writer/artists to depict him in other ways to show his strength...
2. Do build on the above.. Do you agree that lets say.... Having a wrestling match with Drax and the planet blows up that is a sign of strength? I mean we know drax is a powerhouse and no feeb. We know Thanos is a powerhouse. So, couldn't that be a sure sign of a lot of strength? Wouldn't lets say... punching a High Herald like surfer almost to death, a show of at the minimum crazy striking power and probable strength and striking power. As we know strength can be an ingredient in striking power correct?
These are the types of feats that the writer is trying to convey that Thanos is one strong son of a *****. Just like the writer was doing when Thanos says "you guys think your strong, I'm strength personified" while bashing Hulk and Things head together. You concede Hulk, Thor and Thing do have lifting feats correct? Yet clearly the writer was trying to illustrate Thanos is that much stronger than two powerhouses. You can sit there and say well in the real world.... Neck muscles this and arms muscles that and therefore it was actually easy. However this is the comic book world. When something like this happens do you think the writer was trying to say.. Well the audience will figure out that its easier to push two guys heads together, then resist that and thus he's really not trying to say Thanos is stronger just make it appear as such. Are you really trying to say this because that is so illogical its pretty sad if you do.
Thanos doesnt have to have lifting feats he's shown to be well above any herald and multiple ones. That is just the reality of the situation h1a8. As much as you want to apply real world physics and ignore logic and on panel evidence. Applying real world physics doesn't override author's intent and portrayal. This is something you need to learn when discussing this stuff.
Originally posted by h1a8No, Thanos is just stronger. His durability has nothing to do with him being stronger. Nothing at all.
Durability and strength are two different things. Thor being stronger and Thanos being more durable just means that the fight will turn out like it did. But know that Thor had him on the ropes and then let up. All he had to do was continue to combo him until ko. Again beating someone has nothing to do with strength. Superman is faster too. The OE is power of the source and the source>>>> Thanos. How did Thanos prove his superiority to the Hulk in strength? By using his better agility to make Hulk look dumb? Or was it when he used his far stronger muscles to overpower Hulk's weaker muscles?
This combo logic of yours is nonsensical and a joke.
If he is punching them it sure does. Characters don't decide battles by bench press competitions.
Of course he's faster. Everything else save power isn't that far off. You can make a case for either if you want to.
So the Source can't beat DD? Are you really this foolish?
The oe is the oe it isn't the source. I guess with your logic if you can beat the Surfer that means you can take on Galactus since he provided him with the power cosmic, right?
He overpowered him. Your responses don't make any sense at all.
Originally posted by Omega VisionInteresting.
Apparently back when Arnold Schwarzenegger was still young and starting out as a body builder he and a few of his body builder friends used to go to bars and start fights for the hell of it. As it happened his friends admitted later that for his great size and strength he couldn't throw a good punch to save his life.
Originally posted by h1a8More ignorance. Read up on Thanos. It seems you don't have a clue about him.
How do you know Thanos was [b]far less powerful? Why say Thor was a fair share more powerful with the Gem when it is impossible to tell? There was no evidence that supported that. The evidence actually support that he didn't gain much strength from the gem just by how far back Thor was hitting Thanos. [/B]
Originally posted by darthgoober
Because it was specifically stated that Death increased Thanos's by a significant amount when he was resurrected. So if Thanos was more powerful than he was when he trashed Thor the first time and Thor did better against him than he did the first time, it's a pretty clear indication that Thor was a fair share more powerful than he was the first time...
Or that if you had finished the Avengers comic, you would've seen Thor get back up after a short while.
On the flipside, the gem also made Thor capable of wading through Infinity Ward+Surfer, when he has shown to be around the equal of Surfer or Drax in the future. Goober's right on the money, it made Thor much more powerful. And if not more powerful, then in the very least it made him a hell of a lot more durable.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Or it could be that the second time Thor was trying to kill him.Or that if you had finished the Avengers comic, you would've seen Thor get back up after a short while.
On the flipside, the gem also made Thor capable of wading through Infinity Ward+Surfer, when he has shown to be around the equal of Surfer or Drax in the future. Goober's right on the money, it made Thor much more powerful. And if not more powerful, then in the very least it made him a hell of a lot more durable.
I agree
Originally posted by Kris BlazeYeah, I think he was just blasted away, not knocked out cold... I think.
Or that if you had finished the Avengers comic, you would've seen Thor get back up after a short while.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI think it's a very safe assumption that he was drawing on the Power Gem's power though. You could make the argument that he wasn't using it until that point, as he and Valkyrie did kick the crap out of most of the Infinity Watch before Thor ever obtained it (sans Warlock, Dr. Strange ad Surfer). But it's probably safer to assume he was drawing on its power in the latter melee.
^The Gem only came into play at the very end as I recall, when he deflected Strange's/Warlock's attack and knocked out Norrin as I recall.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Because it was specifically stated that Death increased Thanos's by a significant amount when he was resurrected. So if Thanos was more powerful than he was when he trashed Thor the first time and Thor did better against him than he did the first time, it's a pretty clear indication that Thor was a fair share more powerful than he was the first time...
A significant amount could be 20% more, who knows. What words did the comic use? I wasn't really arguing who is more powerful but who is more stronger (physical). Remember I don't go by the unwritten comic book rules of who is stronger. I use grappling feats, lifting feats, hitting feats, etc. The only arguable strength that Thanos has shown is beating on SS. I don't know if I could force myself to believe that Thanos is capable of lifting the midgard serpent.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI will except grappling feats, hitting feats, or any other feats that some clear sense of basic physics or common sense that can be applied to show strength.
So..H118 couple of questions...1. Do you agree that villains in general don't have lifting feats of any kind really. There may be some rare exceptions, but for the most part, people like Thanos, DS, DD don't have lifting feats?
Now, this seem to be something you always fall back on the proverbial.... Supes is 100000000 times stronger than Thor because he lifted this or moved this yada yada. The problem is that for people like Thanos you can't expect him to have such feats. What you can expect is the writer/artists to depict him in other ways to show his strength...
2. Do build on the above.. Do you agree that lets say.... Having a wrestling match with Drax and the planet blows up that is a sign of strength? I mean we know drax is a powerhouse and no feeb. We know Thanos is a powerhouse. So, couldn't that be a sure sign of a lot of strength? Wouldn't lets say... punching a High Herald like surfer almost to death, a show of at the minimum crazy striking power and probable strength and striking power. As we know strength can be an ingredient in striking power correct?
These are the types of feats that the writer is trying to convey that Thanos is one strong son of a *****. Just like the writer was doing when Thanos says "you guys think your strong, I'm strength personified" while bashing Hulk and Things head together. You concede Hulk, Thor and Thing do have lifting feats correct? Yet clearly the writer was trying to illustrate Thanos is that much stronger than two powerhouses. You can sit there and say well in the real world.... Neck muscles this and arms muscles that and therefore it was actually easy. However this is the comic book world. When something like this happens do you think the writer was trying to say.. Well the audience will figure out that its easier to push two guys heads together, then resist that and thus he's really not trying to say Thanos is stronger just make it appear as such. Are you really trying to say this because that is so illogical its pretty sad if you do.
Thanos doesnt have to have lifting feats he's shown to be well above any herald and multiple ones. That is just the reality of the situation h1a8. As much as you want to apply real world physics and ignore logic and on panel evidence. Applying real world physics doesn't override author's intent and portrayal. This is something you need to learn when discussing this stuff.
As far as the Hulk neck muscle feat you may have a point there. Maybe the writer was trying to show that Thanos was stronger. Even so, any feat against Hulk is void since his strength is variable and it's unknowable at what strength level he was at. Now if Hulk was seen to destroy a planet in one punch in the panel right before the Thanos incident then I would have never had argued against Thanos in my life.
Remember I don't need lifting feats to be satisfied. Good points made sir.
since when has satisfying you (no homo) been this thread's purpose?
thanos stomps high heralds with ease, even the ones who's names are on the cover. we saw him unable to amount an offensive against freakin' odin himself, but even then his durability and will kept him in the fight longer than even odin thought was possible, thor would get his shit smashed by odin. he fought tyrant and did very well where a multitude of high heralds got casually tossed aside. HE IS FAR ABOVE THEM.
unless you want to argue that superman could do what thanos could not, this thread is kinda done.
most of the forum can't even settle if superman can get the majority over surfer, thanos laughs at the surfer before and after beating him down.