Originally posted by Wild Shadow
a force field is a mental process not a physical course of actions that would require more time.hence SS could conceivably raise a shield before zoom could react to stop him.
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We don't know the mechanism behind creating a forcefield. The entire mechanism could take at least a second for all we know. All I know that it takes energy to do it and usually energy travels at most at the speed of light. It could even take several moments for Surfer to transfer up enough energy to erect a competent force field. Otherwise it would be a soft as paper.
you got me with the real life science of energy matter and nothing moving faster then light. 😬
but if you want to argue science i have to point out that time and speed is relative... nothing can move faster then light true but from SS perspective he could appear to be reacting and creating something at speeds faster then light to the outside observer even though SS is only creating something at or near light speed.
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soooo zoom may not be able to react as fast seeing that it could and would be possible for silver surfer to perceive the universe around him frozen in time due to his speed and processing power.
if u call me out on this and try to argue it false we will have problems and i will link science lectures and animated scenarios explaining the concept to you.
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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Scientifically we are only able to go on what we know and not what is entirely out there. Who says we can't go faster than light, how do we know there is nothing faster than light? I do agree that pretty much everything is relative.
umm... common scientific accepted belief. that nothing can travel faster then light...
but u can get around it and make it appear to be faster then light without breaking the universal rule by simple concept that time and space is relative.
u can use a blackhole to create the circumstances that a photon is moving several times the speed of light from the outside observer but in reality light inside the blackhole would still be moving at light speed from its relative position..
its wierd science to exceed light speed u need a blackhole to accelerate it but it the photon is still only moving at light speed from its own relative position..
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Originally posted by Wild ShadowI understand there is nothing we know of at the time faster than light, but we know so little and we haven't even discovered 1/10000000 of everything out there, so it's only based on what we know at the time, kinda like the world if flat type of argument, see what I mean?
umm... common scientific accepted belief. that nothing can travel faster then light...but u can get around it and make it appear to be faster then light without breaking the universal rule by simple concept that time and space is relative.
u can use a blackhole to create the circumstances that a photon is moving several times the speed of light from the outside observer but in reality light inside the blackhole would still be moving at light speed from its relative position..
its wierd science to exceed light speed u need a blackhole to accelerate it but it the photon is still only moving at light speed from its own relative position..
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Originally posted by Tha C-MasterWe don't even know the shit on Earth yet, let alone space.
I understand there is nothing we know of at the time faster than light, but we know so little and we haven't even discovered 1/10000000 of everything out there, so it's only based on what we know at the time, kinda like the world if flat type of argument, see what I mean?
Originally posted by Naija boyi find this to be quite a baseless statement.
Flash was able to fully mentally perceive and react to Zoom when he achieved a level a speed far below what surfer showed to be reacting at in that example.
here's a quote from your own scan: "light years traversed in mere seconds." as fast as that may be, the word "seconds" is still a measurement of time. thus we can say beyond reason that time was a factor for surfer in the instance you mentioned.
why is that important enough to bring up? because it was only when wally became amped to such a level that time literally stopped around him, that he was able to momentarily compete with zoom:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3919/zoom1o.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4093/zoom2.jpg
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in a nutshell: while i will admit that surfer processing that much information is impressive, it was still a feat centered around the parameters of time [ie. a specified amount of time was given to depict how fast surfer was moving.] however, to compete with zoom - time must stop completely.
that is one of the many reasons i maintain that zoom is FAR superior to surfer, speed wise - and one of the many reasons i maintain surfer would not be able to react fast enough to counter a zoom-blitz.
Originally posted by Galan007Interesting to note that Zoom's Durability while in his time bubble has to be quite high. Wally punches him at SuperSpeed and it only bloodies his lip.
i find this to be quite a baseless statement.here's a quote from your own scan: "light years traversed in mere seconds." as fast as that may be, the word "seconds" is still a measurement of time. thus we can say beyond reason that time was a factor for surfer in the instance you mentioned.
why is that important enough to bring up? because it was only when wally became amped to such a level that time literally stopped around him, that he was able to momentarily compete with zoom:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3919/zoom1o.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4093/zoom2.jpg
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in a nutshell: while i will admit that surfer processing that much information is impressive, it was still a feat centered around the parameters of time [ie. a specified amount of time was given to depict how fast surfer was moving.] however, to compete with zoom - time must stop completely.that is one of the many reasons i maintain that zoom is FAR superior to surfer, speed wise, and one of the many reasons i maintain surfer would not be able to react fast enough to counter a zoom-blitz.
Originally posted by ZeuodinWouldn't they be equals in that scenario, he says so himself. Everything would cancel out and they'd be like two normal guys hitting each other.
Interesting to note that Zoom's Durability while in his time bubble has to be quite high. Wally punches him at SuperSpeed and it only bloodies his lip.
Originally posted by Galan007you realize zoom used the concept of time to explain their position in relative time and space the tick of a second.. 😇
i find this to be quite a baseless statement.here's a quote from your own scan: "light years traversed in mere seconds." as fast as that may be, the word "seconds" is still a measurement of time. thus we can say beyond reason that time was a factor for surfer in the instance you mentioned.
why is that important enough to bring up? because it was only when wally became amped to such a level that time literally stopped around him, that he was able to momentarily compete with zoom:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3919/zoom1o.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4093/zoom2.jpg
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in a nutshell: while i will admit that surfer processing that much information is impressive, it was still a feat centered around the parameters of time [ie. a specified amount of time was given to depict how fast surfer was moving.] however, to compete with zoom - time must stop completely.that is one of the many reasons i maintain that zoom is FAR superior to surfer, speed wise - and one of the many reasons i maintain surfer would not be able to react fast enough to counter a zoom-blitz.
by that argument alone facepalm ur statement on SS is mote. since all time is relative regardless of situation.
if zoom and wally are confined within a tick of a second how long would it be for him to count all the stars that surfer observed. how much time would pass outside of zoom's relative space in time?clapping
