Originally posted by Galan007That is part of his power set, my confusion was coming in at whether or not Naija Boy was disagreeing with this. Maybe I misread the argument. Or whether he was arguing Flash going that fast.
no. zoom incontrovertibly operates at that level [and beyond.]the question at hand is whether or not surfer is able to react fast enough to defend against zoom.
Originally posted by Galan007
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/874/zoom1c.jpg
Originally posted by Kris Blaze"jesse triggers her connection to the speed force through me.."
Yes, she grants him more speed. The same thing happened in Terminal Velocity as well, he stopped time by going faster than light and saying the speed formula. It didn't increase his connection to the speed force. Then again, the two are practically the same. But it's not a different application of his powers, he's just getting faster.
either way, that part of things is moot. the point is: time around flash stopped.
Originally posted by Galan007If he prepped I imagine he would have it ready prematurely, but if that is the case then he wouldn't be fast enough to push the button, unless he had an "instant" way to do that. Which he might.
maybe.assuming reed was fast enough to: a.) trigger the force field, and b.) stop time through... whatever the means may be - doubt reed is that fast though.
also assuming zoom didn't speed up his time bubble to essentially become faster than the timestream - which he is capable of.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterthe term "instant" really has no meaning to those who can move as fast or slow as they want in time.
If he prepped I imagine he would have it ready prematurely, but if that is the case then he wouldn't be fast enough to push the button, unless he had an "instant" way to do that. Which he might.
Originally posted by Galan007
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/874/zoom1c.jpgwally makes the "less than a second" statement the panel before he states that he is slowing down. c'mon, stop digging.
i also think you may be forgetting that the "whole duration of their fight" also included an adjustment period, in which wally was becoming acclimated to his newly received boost. then, with time stopped around them, they battled for a few pages - and finally, wally makes a statement that he was slowing down/it has been less than a second. context.
it all comes down to what i've reiterated several times: when wally was amped and time stopped, he could perceive/match zoom. when the amp began wearing off, and time was no longer frozen around wally, he lost any 'edge' he may have had.
so unless surfer can operate at such levels that time stops around him, i cannot see him doing... anything at all, before zoom blitzes him.
Whoa, Im not "digging" at all. I was even giving a scenario were we would go with ur argument. You seemed to assume that the less than a second comment ( and hence the passage of time) was only in relation to the period when Wally had started slowing down. However, Wally made that comment and hence indicated time was passing,before mentioning that that he had started slowing down. This would indicate the passage of time before he started slowing down. Conversely, we could assume that Wally began slowing down and time began to pass as a result(as u seem to want to do) and therefore only informed us of it after he and Zoom had circled the world a dozen times and were well into their fight. Such a side argument however would still not be relevant, because even assuming that time began to pass only because Wally began slowing down, Wally was still able to reasonably perceive and react to Zoom (Zoom was indeed faster but Wally could still fully perceive him) during the period he was slowing down (regardless of whether u take it to be when he mentioned it or as soon as time began to pass).
Im not forgetting anything nor leaving out any context.If time began to pass only as Wally slowed down, then his use of a measurement of time to describe the length of their fight would apply to the period in which time was actually passing-i.e their fight around the world. The same logic would apply if we instead assumed that wally slowing down and the passage of time are not dependent on one another, hence his use of a measurement of time to describe the length of their fight would still only apply to the period time was actually passing i.e their fight around the world. Ultimately though this is once again inconsequential
Ur conclusion is incomplete. Yes it is only when Wally was amped that he could match Zoom. Yes when the amp began wearing off he lost the apparent "edge" (he was no longer as fast) he might have had. However to reiterate it once more, the bottom line is that during the period that he was slowing down and in which time was moving (regardless of the relationship between the two) Wally was able to perceive and react to Zoom reasonably well (though Zoom was faster). This speed level and consequently perception speed level at which he was able to perceive Zoom was < that displayed by surfer in my example.
Therefore surfer doesnt need to operate at levels in which time stops around him (whatever those are) in order to perceive or mentally react to Zoom. Wally showed that.
