Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And to that end, it makes as much sense and is as valid as arguing that Thor's power set, namely his divinity, enables him to inherit the Odin Force over time or in specific instances.
That's kind of interesting.
What does it just go from his father?
There can only be one high father.
There can be more than one Superman 1 million esque Kryptonian.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Mostly because it's Frank Miller being insane, right?Right?
I mean, I love that story, too, but for all the wrong reasons.
I loved it in the sense that it was so bad it was good. I mean, there were some garbage issues, but it was OTT that I couldn't help but enjoy it.
Originally posted by Dolos
That's kind of interesting.What does it just go from his father?
There can only be one high father.
There can be more than one Superman 1 million esque Kryptonian.
The Odin Force is basically the life energy of the Asgardian dimension and that which holds the Nine Realms together. Typically, this is passed down from Odin to Thor, either by Odin dying or purposefully bequeathing the Odin Force to Thor. The current king or ruler of Asgard typically commands it in its entirety.
Basically the Odin Force is always going to exist in some form or another, even if there's no "All Father" to claim it. As long as Asgard exists in some form, the Odin Force is there. The idea that Odin is Asgard and Asgard is Odin is often taken quite literal.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I loved it in the sense that it was so bad it was good. I mean, there were some garbage issues, but it was OTT that I couldn't help but enjoy it.
Man, Miller basically trashed everyone in the DCU, including Batman, ironically. He made Superman an idiot, made Hal borderline retarded, warped Diana into a feminazi, and every other page was reminding us that Dick Grayson was age 12.
My favorite scene - outside of the "I'm the goddamned Batman" - was probably when Superman was running across the water and Batman was like "I know he can fly, but he doesn't even know" or some other illogical wanking Miller had going on.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Man, Miller basically trashed everyone in the DCU, including Batman, ironically. He made Superman an idiot, made Hal borderline retarded, warped Diana into a feminazi, and every other page was reminding us that Dick Grayson was age 12.My favorite scene - outside of the "I'm the goddamned Batman" - was probably when Superman was running across the water and Batman was like "I know he can fly, but he doesn't even know" or some other illogical wanking Miller had going on.
Yeah. Miller never liked Superman anyway, iirc.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah. Miller never liked Superman anyway, iirc.
Yeah, Dark Knight Returns made that abundantly clear lol.
It's a shame because Miller's Year One was great, and up until Synder's Year Zero thing, the definitive origin for Batman. And he helped revolutionize Daredevil as well.
But goddamn the man lost his mind along the way.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankLol couldn't agree more....lost his mind is the accurate explanation.
Yeah, Dark Knight Returns made that abundantly clear lol.It's a shame because Miller's Year One was great, and up until Synder's Year Zero thing, the definitive origin for Batman. And he helped revolutionize Daredevil as well.
But goddamn the man lost his mind along the way.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What?
sneer
Honestly though, I'm just not interested in getting in to a long, drawn-out debate over it. If you want my reasoning, it's a little bit of my own logic, and feats like, say, Fear Itself, for example.
I suppose I've always been of the opinion that:
average Thor punch < average Superman punch < average Hammer Shot/Throw.
Notice that I said average.
That, and the basic principle that if you get two guys that are somewhat peers in strength (with Superman having an edge, obviously), and then you give one of them a magic hammer, his striking force is going to be multiplied pretty solidly. I mean, even if I extrapolate for myself, personally. I can apply way more force with a hammer than I can with my own fists, so it makes sense to me.
Now, if you gave Diana the hammer, I wouldn't believe she could hit harder than Clark. But someone like Thor? On average, sure.
When Clark starts to amp, then things can change.
Just imo, anyway. shrugs
Originally posted by -Pr-
sneerHonestly though, I'm just not interested in getting in to a long, drawn-out debate over it. If you want my reasoning, it's a little bit of my own logic, and feats like, say, Fear Itself, for example.
I suppose I've always been of the opinion that:
average Thor punch < average Superman punch < average Hammer Shot/Throw.
Notice that I said average.
That, and the basic principle that if you get two guys that are somewhat peers in strength (with Superman having an edge, obviously), and then you give one of them a magic hammer, his striking force is going to be multiplied pretty solidly. I mean, even if I extrapolate for myself, personally. I can apply way more force with a hammer than I can with my own fists, so it makes sense to me.
Now, if you gave Diana the hammer, I wouldn't believe she could hit harder than Clark. But someone like Thor? On average, sure.
When Clark starts to amp, then things can change.
Just imo, anyway. shrugs
ha-som
Thor's striking power doesn't gets multiplied by mjolnir. Superman also has a substantial strength advantage over thor. If we go by feats, superman leaves thor in dust in both strength and striking power.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except you just wrote a paragraph to describe your reasoning.ha-som
Thor's striking power doesn't gets multiplied by mjolnir. Superman also has a substantial strength advantage over thor. If we go by feats, superman leaves thor in dust in both strength and striking power.
The only paragraph I'll be writing, so I wanted to get it out of the way, smart guy. sneer
I don't agree, but like I said (or rather, meant to say), I don't imagine I'll change your mind, and you're obviously not going to change mine.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor's striking power doesn't gets multiplied by mjolnir. Superman also has a substantial strength advantage over thor. If we go by feats, superman leaves thor in dust in both strength and striking power.
I definitely agree with strength.
Not with striking power though 🙂
PR really is onto something when he's claiming that Mjolnir really amplifies Thor's striking ability. I consider Superman to be leaps and bounds above Thor in strength, and believe that Mjolnir really does make a huge difference.
Thor striking with Mjolnir is far more powerful than him striking without it.
Not only does feats prove this but Thor wouldn't strike with Mjolnir if it didn't add striking power. Common sense really.
The only type of strike that Thor can compete with Superman's best is his whirling slams. The ones where he whirls the hammer for awhile and then comes down, using both hands, with full force.